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Title: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: BA Mongor on November 01, 2020, 01:42:56 PM
I doubt this will help, but it can't hurt.

To the (2) young guys and (1) middle age guy, Sierra doesn't allow e-bikes. Even though you both had Weyerhauser access permits which gets you closer to prime Sierra land, it's not legal to use them on Sierra thinking you won't get caught.

And, I highly doubt that both you kids had drive in Weyerhaeuser permits. So, that means you probably loaded up your buddy and road your fancy, new orange and black e-bikes from the gate. And your lies about you not knowing, and saying Hancock allows it were lies, you knew it and I told you.

For the other guy I caught in there, telling me it was ok as well, I talked with both Sierra and Weyerhaeuser and I'm looking forward to you all getting caught and getting your bikes taken and hopefully permits taken as well. If a 60-year old guy can walk in 3-9 miles so can you!!!

Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: teanawayslayer on November 01, 2020, 01:52:19 PM
Sounds like you let it ruin your day. There’s always going to be that guy or guys that aren’t going to follow the rules. Sucks but it is what it is.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: Sundance on November 01, 2020, 02:15:49 PM
I have a pretty good idea where you were at and that’s a real problem down there. I’ve reported a few guys over the years, it’s bull when you hike/ride in and someone does that to you.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: MADMAX on November 01, 2020, 02:57:23 PM
Smart phone camera time
if it’s an issue pictures are worth taking
 :twocents:
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: trophyhunt on November 01, 2020, 03:03:50 PM
I can guarantee they wouldn’t be taking my e bike, I follow the rules anyway, but if I didn’t and the security caught me, they can have my sticker and that’s it.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on November 01, 2020, 03:05:51 PM
I can guarantee they wouldn’t be taking my e bike, I follow the rules anyway, but if I didn’t and the security caught me, they can have my sticker and that’s it.

 :chuckle: Yea they can’t steal people’s bikes. People should follow the rules, but security isn’t able to seize someone’s property.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: Wazukie on November 01, 2020, 03:09:04 PM
peddle the thing then its no longer e-powered but just a man powered bike
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: Stein on November 01, 2020, 03:12:42 PM
I would keep calling the warden.  I don't have any proof that actually does anything but if they get enough calls they may spend some time down there.  There is a number you can text, I think you can send pictures too.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: BA Mongor on November 01, 2020, 03:27:16 PM
It didn't ruin my hunt. I had a very good time and saw a pile of does and a small buck.

I don't own a phone. But I do know both of the security guys who patrol for both companies.

As far as not being able to take your bike, I realize it they can't, but it sure would be nice. As far as taking a sticker, not sure what that means? What sticker? If it was legal to remove it from your possession Trophy, then they would take it ! To bad there are no reprucussions for blatantly breaking the rules.

And I own a very nice M2S e-bike and would love to take it in there...But can't.



Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: trophyhunt on November 01, 2020, 04:25:46 PM
What I mean by pulling the sticker is pulling the sticker on your window which is pulling your pass for the rest of the year.  At least that is how it works for the Kapowsin Hancock area. 
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: trophyhunt on November 01, 2020, 04:31:14 PM
I don’t think e bikes are that big of an advantage, not what people think. Before I owned one I also thought they were like motor cycles, not even close. I had to pedal the whole way when I got my deer this weekend, battery died 4 miles in because the steepness and my cart. Still took 1.5 hours to get to the top, 5 miles in. I don’t take it where I’m not supposed to, but feel like I should when I’m in a walk in only gate and trucks drive by me.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: actionshooter on November 01, 2020, 07:00:17 PM
They aren't allowed in Green Diamond either... I have one also and its a bummer when they aren't allowed on timber land but it sure pissed me off yesterday when I was passed by a guy on one....
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: Stein on November 01, 2020, 07:39:36 PM
I don’t think e bikes are that big of an advantage, not what people think. Before I owned one I also thought they were like motor cycles, not even close. I had to pedal the whole way when I got my deer this weekend, battery died 4 miles in because the steepness and my cart. Still took 1.5 hours to get to the top, 5 miles in. I don’t take it where I’m not supposed to, but feel like I should when I’m in a walk in only gate and trucks drive by me.

Honestly, I don't care that guys are getting somewhere before me.  E-bikes aren't the same as a guy in a quad running all over every trail and road at half throttle all day nonstop.  Either way, it's poor form to break the law but one messes up my hunt and the other one is just that guy.

I would also bet that a large chunk of the access to private land that gets shut off (not including sales of property) is because the landowner is tired of misbehavior like trash, tracks around gates, ripping up off trail ground, getting calls and complaints and the like.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: High Climber on November 01, 2020, 08:10:54 PM
Criminal trespassers hope they get a ticket.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: furbearer365 on November 01, 2020, 08:24:50 PM
It all boils down to respect for s**t that ain't yours.  Every timber company's land is what it is, THEIR LAND.  They set the rules, however they see fit.  I hear the whole "tax break" stuff a lot, but we all can get those.  I got a friend that owns 140 acres that is deemed "Forest Land" and because of it, pays a ridiculous $600 a year in taxes on it.  If you (anybody) set a rule for the land that you own and pay taxes for, then those rules need to be respected, period. I've always had the upmost respect for land own by others, whether it be a company or private. If you expect every rule to be respected for your land, then do the same across the board.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: BA Mongor on November 02, 2020, 07:34:03 AM
Very nicely said furbearer.

I get that e-bikes are far less of an impact, but it doesn't really matter. They don't allow it. And as far as it not really being an advantage to using one, I totally disagree. I would love to cruise back to my areas doing 20mph-30mph, bone out my deer and make a couple of very fast trips with my e-bike, versus boning it out and packing it out by foot.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: Akroyd on November 03, 2020, 10:40:46 AM
If there is state land (state of Washington is okay with E-bikes) beyond these gates that the timber company's have control of I will use the right-of-way or easement to get to said state land on my E-bike. I'm sorry if I ride by someone and you get mad but I'm tired of all this state land being land locked that is to far to get to by walking. If I get in trouble so be it. There is a RCW for e-bike use on state land. 
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: trophyhunt on November 03, 2020, 10:44:40 AM
If there is state land (state of Washington is okay with E-bikes) beyond these gates that the timber company's have control of I will use the right-of-way or easement to get to said state land on my E-bike. I'm sorry if I ride by someone and you get mad but I'm tired of all this state land being land locked that is to far to get to by walking. If I get in trouble so be it. There is a RCW for e-bike use on state land.
nice, I never thought of that!  I'll have to do some searching for state land in Hancock or other properties!  Thanks
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: Sundance on November 03, 2020, 10:48:24 AM
If there is state land (state of Washington is okay with E-bikes) beyond these gates that the timber company's have control of I will use the right-of-way or easement to get to said state land on my E-bike. I'm sorry if I ride by someone and you get mad but I'm tired of all this state land being land locked that is to far to get to by walking. If I get in trouble so be it. There is a RCW for e-bike use on state land. 

So if there is a postage stamp of state land behind a timber company gate, you are ok with taking your ebike behind the gate? Will you then hunt animals on the private timber company land that you used the ebike for access or only restrict yourself to hunting the state land since you used the ebike?

*edit*
I ask because there is a spot I hunt where there is a 600 acre parcel of state land in the middle of thousands of acres of private timber company. I ride my pedal bike in 14 miles which takes me 3+ hours and spike out on the state land for a day or so to hunt. I then hunt the private timber company land that's 10+ miles from the gates and and legally camping on state land.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: b0bbyg on November 03, 2020, 10:53:28 AM
If there is state land (state of Washington is okay with E-bikes) beyond these gates that the timber company's have control of I will use the right-of-way or easement to get to said state land on my E-bike. I'm sorry if I ride by someone and you get mad but I'm tired of all this state land being land locked that is to far to get to by walking. If I get in trouble so be it. There is a RCW for e-bike use on state land. 

So if there is a postage stamp of state land behind a timber company gate, you are ok will with taking your ebike behind the gate? Will you then hunt animals on the private timber company land that you used the ebike for access or only restrict yourself to hunting the state land since you used the ebike?
I don't have an Ebike…. yet, but I know if 2 areas where there is a mile or so of timber land that blocks access to a lot of state land.  I would ride through these and hunt the state land in a heart beat if there was any sort of easement. In this case it might be that the blocked land allows ebikes so non issue, but I would not have a problem with people doing this if they hunted the state land.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: Wanttohuntmore on November 03, 2020, 11:00:49 AM
Curious if there are timber companies that allow e bikes behind their gates? 
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: JimmyHoffa on November 03, 2020, 11:05:44 AM
Curious if there are timber companies that allow e bikes behind their gates?
If they're operated as a motorized vehicle--CB, fire gear, speed limit, decals and only stay on the roads used by cars.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: pd on November 03, 2020, 11:52:10 AM
If there is state land (state of Washington is okay with E-bikes) beyond these gates that the timber company's have control of I will use the right-of-way or easement to get to said state land on my E-bike. I'm sorry if I ride by someone and you get mad but I'm tired of all this state land being land locked that is to far to get to by walking. If I get in trouble so be it. There is a RCW for e-bike use on state land. 

So if there is a postage stamp of state land behind a timber company gate, you are ok will with taking your ebike behind the gate? Will you then hunt animals on the private timber company land that you used the ebike for access or only restrict yourself to hunting the state land since you used the ebike?
I don't have an Ebike…. yet, but I know if 2 areas where there is a mile or so of timber land that blocks access to a lot of state land.  I would ride through these and hunt the state land in a heart beat if there was any sort of easement. In this case it might be that the blocked land allows ebikes so non issue, but I would not have a problem with people doing this if they hunted the state land.

All of you guys raise really interesting points.  This is actually a much bigger issue (not just regarding e-bikes), but a question about easements and rights-of-way.  Not every logging road (behind a gate on private timber land) will have an easement.  And not every road will have a public right-of-way.  There are very clear legal definitions as to what those are.

The next question comes from the discussion above.  "Can a private timber company, with a gate on their logging road, restrict the use of e-bikes on said logging road if that road has an easement or a known public right-of-way, when the destination of the e-bike rider is public land?"

Interesting question.  I would love to know the answer.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: Stein on November 03, 2020, 11:52:39 AM
Are there actual access easements or assumed easements?


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Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: trophyhunt on November 03, 2020, 12:34:38 PM
Curious if there are timber companies that allow e bikes behind their gates?
Hancock doesn't even allow e bikes in your truck on their property.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: trophyhunt on November 03, 2020, 12:36:24 PM
If there is state land (state of Washington is okay with E-bikes) beyond these gates that the timber company's have control of I will use the right-of-way or easement to get to said state land on my E-bike. I'm sorry if I ride by someone and you get mad but I'm tired of all this state land being land locked that is to far to get to by walking. If I get in trouble so be it. There is a RCW for e-bike use on state land. 

So if there is a postage stamp of state land behind a timber company gate, you are ok will with taking your ebike behind the gate? Will you then hunt animals on the private timber company land that you used the ebike for access or only restrict yourself to hunting the state land since you used the ebike?
I don't have an Ebike…. yet, but I know if 2 areas where there is a mile or so of timber land that blocks access to a lot of state land.  I would ride through these and hunt the state land in a heart beat if there was any sort of easement. In this case it might be that the blocked land allows ebikes so non issue, but I would not have a problem with people doing this if they hunted the state land.

All of you guys raise really interesting points.  This is actually a much bigger issue (not just regarding e-bikes), but a question about easements and rights-of-way.  Not every logging road (behind a gate on private timber land) will have an easement.  And not every road will have a public right-of-way.  There are very clear legal definitions as to what those are.

The next question comes from the discussion above.  "Can a private timber company, with a gate on their logging road, restrict the use of e-bikes on said logging road if that road has an easement or a known public right-of-way, when the destination of the e-bike rider is public land?"

Interesting question.  I would love to know the answer.
:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: We need to research this and then PM each other!!!  It would be a good secret to have, then all a sudden e bike haters would be like, "oh I love my ebike"!
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: huntnfmly on November 03, 2020, 12:40:54 PM
Are there actual access easements or assumed easements?


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If assumed easement  @Akroyd you are still ok with doing that?
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: Akroyd on November 03, 2020, 01:19:53 PM
Yes I'm ok with it. I want to be able to hunt OUR land that is OUR'S to enjoy and it will probably take a ticket and court to figure out who is in the right or wrong. There is a lot of legality's when looking at easement and right-of-way usage but I'm not a lawyer and I figure that's when the court will decide. Tired of the big timber company's throwing there weight around and us little guys (the sportsmen) pay to play crap is getting out of hand.....pay to walk in on a timber land is the dumbest thing I ever heard of. Yes I would ride right on by the timber company's land since it's private and go hunt the state land. There are other people that get keys to private timber land to hunt because it's there right.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: hunthard on November 03, 2020, 03:08:16 PM

Curious if there are timber companies that allow e bikes behind their gates?



Blakely does.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: JakeLand on November 03, 2020, 05:02:22 PM

Curious if there are timber companies that allow e bikes behind their gates?



Blakely does.
yes there are several go online to each company and see the rules or a call helps too that’s what I’ve done
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: furbearer365 on November 03, 2020, 06:44:20 PM
If there is state land (state of Washington is okay with E-bikes) beyond these gates that the timber company's have control of I will use the right-of-way or easement to get to said state land on my E-bike. I'm sorry if I ride by someone and you get mad but I'm tired of all this state land being land locked that is to far to get to by walking. If I get in trouble so be it. There is a RCW for e-bike use on state




 I agree with you, on a small level. I don't like state land being blocked off to the people of this state. Timber companies aren't denying you access to state land, they are setting rules to THEIR land. Just because they dont give you complete access in the means that you wish, doesn't mean they are blocking you from state land.  I live on the Cowlitz River, and by no means own the river, but using your reasoning, I would have to allow anybody to park their truck on my land and walk across my property to access the river, simply because its public owned.  If a person can access the river legally from other means, I have no say so as to what they do.  But it also doesn't mean I owe people access to it from my property.  The same goes for Timber company's. If you have a way to access state land by following the rules of adjacent land owners, then they dont care what you do once on said State ground.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: BA Mongor on November 04, 2020, 06:49:08 AM
Regardless of if there is an easement or not, your crossing onto "PRIVATE LAND".

As someone said, each "Owner" of that land has their own rules in place. And in this case, Hancock and Sierra Pacific don't allow e-bikes. I would assume that If I removed my battery from my e-bike it would be ok. Either way, you can't use e-bikes on their land. Period!

It doesn't matter if your trying to get to State Land or as someone said "My Land", they don't allow it. We should be grateful that they still allow us to freely access their land to hunt and fish or whatever.

Be grateful for that, as it could end at anytime they wish and there would be nothing we can do about it. Unless your like a couple people on this site and just don't care and will do whatever you want, anytime you want !!! Like I said previously, I wish there was a greater punishment for those that blatantly disregard the land Owners rules.  :twocents:

Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: Stein on November 04, 2020, 11:26:54 AM
If there is a legal easement allowing vehicular access, go for it.  If not, it’s not legal.  Landlocked public sucks, but that doesn’t justify trespassing.

Support organizations that buy access, RMEF does some.


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Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: walt on November 04, 2020, 12:18:46 PM
If there is a legal easement allowing vehicular access, go for it.  If not, it’s not legal.  Landlocked public sucks, but that doesn’t justify trespassing.

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 :yeah: Easements are also typically written as to the what not the how, providing for ingress/egress, utilities....not what method of travel is acceptable.  The land owner still owns the land the easement passes over and they can (usually) dictate what method of travel is acceptable on their land.

Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: bbarnes on November 05, 2020, 10:36:54 AM
The state law say any bike under 750 watt is a class one bicycle get over it .the way I see it is people are spread out there the new snow board. They don't spread weeds like horses there quit there green and get older people outdoors.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: BA Mongor on November 05, 2020, 04:40:54 PM
State Law???
Get over what? Obeying private property rules and regulations?

You're on private land, and they "Sierra Pacific and Hancock" don't allow e-bikes on their property. Deal with it. I still don't understand how some don't or can't understand that. It's not hard to understand.

If you owned a couple hundred thousand acres, you might allow it, but you don't. Or at least I assume you don't, and if you do, can I use my e-bike on your land?

If you use their lands like I do, we are guests and should respect their rules.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: bbarnes on November 05, 2020, 08:04:53 PM
If they allow bicycles then certain e bikes fall under that rule that's what I'm saying.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: bbarnes on November 05, 2020, 08:06:13 PM
One question would you ticket a disabled hunter in a motorized tracked wheel chair?
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: trophyhunt on November 05, 2020, 08:31:31 PM
If they allow bicycles then certain e bikes fall under that rule that's what I'm saying.
:yeah:
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: High Climber on November 05, 2020, 08:38:17 PM
If they allow bicycles then certain e bikes fall under that rule that's what I'm saying.
:yeah:

Guys that’s BS. They can allow access in whatever fashion they choose. What the state recognizes as a bicycle has no bearing on what a private landowner has to recognize.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: MtnMuley on November 05, 2020, 08:55:40 PM
If they allow bicycles then certain e bikes fall under that rule that's what I'm saying.
:yeah:

Guys that’s BS. They can allow access in whatever fashion they choose. What the state recognizes as a bicycle has no bearing on what a private landowner has to recognize.

 :yeah:
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: JakeLand on November 05, 2020, 09:38:59 PM
When it comes to it rules are rules . If they’re legal AND allowed I’ll ride my ebike and just like elk season this year I was back riding my regular mountain bike and trailer and I’m not whining about it as in reality they don’t have to allow access at all
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: SGTDuffman on November 05, 2020, 10:38:34 PM
Why does this topic keep coming up? If it’s closed to motorized access, it’s closed to e-bikes, period. An e-bike has a motor. Bikes are allowed places e-bikes are not for this exact reason. The motor is the difference, and private land owners get to dictate the conditions of entry, if any, for their property. If you violate those conditions you’re guilty of criminal trespass. You likewise have no “right” to use private property as an easement to otherwise inaccessible public land. You must obtain easement rights from the property owner to have access.

This stuff isn’t that complicated. If you don’t own it or have explicit permission from the owner to be there doing what you’re doing, how you’re doing it, then you’re wrong. There’s no gray area to debate. And the more people who disregard simple rules, the more likely we all lose what little access we have.

I have zero tolerance for people who didregard the posted rules. I report all of them I come across, because I’m not willing to risk losing access for me, my kids, or my friends. We’re all supposed to be conservationists. If you guys like having places and animals to hunt you better weed out every bad actor you can, or you’ll lose access to both.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: BA Mongor on November 05, 2020, 11:44:47 PM
Exactly SGT !
Well said.

It would be great if everyone thought like this. And with that, elk opener is Saturday and I'll be up in that area I was previously and can't wait to see how many of the rule breakers I run into. They're all going to be in for a surprise!!

Even if they do try going in really early, they pretty much have to come in off of a Weyerhaeuser mainline using an access pass and they'll be in for a rude awakening.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: Bullkllr on November 06, 2020, 05:29:33 AM
Why does this topic keep coming up? If it’s closed to motorized access, it’s closed to e-bikes, period. An e-bike has a motor. Bikes are allowed places e-bikes are not for this exact reason. The motor is the difference, and private land owners get to dictate the conditions of entry, if any, for their property. If you violate those conditions you’re guilty of criminal trespass. You likewise have no “right” to use private property as an easement to otherwise inaccessible public land. You must obtain easement rights from the property owner to have access.

This stuff isn’t that complicated. If you don’t own it or have explicit permission from the owner to be there doing what you’re doing, how you’re doing it, then you’re wrong. There’s no gray area to debate. And the more people who disregard simple rules, the more likely we all lose what little access we have.

I have zero tolerance for people who didregard the posted rules. I report all of them I come across, because I’m not willing to risk losing access for me, my kids, or my friends. We’re all supposed to be conservationists. If you guys like having places and animals to hunt you better weed out every bad actor you can, or you’ll lose access to both.
Well said. I don't get it either.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: fishngamereaper on November 06, 2020, 06:15:31 AM
Why does this topic keep coming up? If it’s closed to motorized access, it’s closed to e-bikes, period. An e-bike has a motor. Bikes are allowed places e-bikes are not for this exact reason. The motor is the difference, and private land owners get to dictate the conditions of entry, if any, for their property. If you violate those conditions you’re guilty of criminal trespass. You likewise have no “right” to use private property as an easement to otherwise inaccessible public land. You must obtain easement rights from the property owner to have access.

This stuff isn’t that complicated. If you don’t own it or have explicit permission from the owner to be there doing what you’re doing, how you’re doing it, then you’re wrong. There’s no gray area to debate. And the more people who disregard simple rules, the more likely we all lose what little access we have.

I have zero tolerance for people who didregard the posted rules. I report all of them I come across, because I’m not willing to risk losing access for me, my kids, or my friends. We’re all supposed to be conservationists. If you guys like having places and animals to hunt you better weed out every bad actor you can, or you’ll lose access to both.

 :yeah: Its really not that confusing.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: The Marquis on November 06, 2020, 08:12:19 AM
The signs into Sierra property say e-bikes are NOT allowed.  It doesn't say what kind, when, etc etc.  That settles that debate. Don't know about Hancock as I've never stepped foot on their property, but Sierra signage I've seen is clear.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: hunter399 on November 06, 2020, 08:20:09 AM
I've been lurking here.
And not really wanting to post.
But will anyway the signage in some of these area is pretty cut and dry.
Is all in saying.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: Aginor on November 06, 2020, 08:29:24 AM
Man, there’s too many entitled, selfish people in here advocating for *censored* that will get access taken away from all of us. Take 30 seconds and think about something other than yourselves
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: chiwawadan on November 06, 2020, 08:51:08 AM
The signs into Sierra property say e-bikes are NOT allowed.  It doesn't say what kind, when, etc etc.  That settles that debate. Don't know about Hancock as I've never stepped foot on their property, but Sierra signage I've seen is clear.
This is 100% correct.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: nwmein199 on November 06, 2020, 08:53:37 AM
Hancock rules are very clear and specially states that e-bikes (as well as quads, dirt bikes, snowmobiles, etc) are not allowed on the property; Even in the back of your truck.
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: Will on November 06, 2020, 09:34:29 AM
Hancock calls this out explicitly and has signs for it too. @fishngamereaper explained the land use and rules perfectly - owners have clear constitutional rights and can define access rules as they want. And I think we all agree that if any activity leads to reduced hunting rights, then it's better to avoid it. If using e-bikes for hunting can lead to revoked land access then it already defeats its purpose
Title: Re: Sierra - Hancock - Weyerhauser E-Bikes
Post by: bigbore40 on November 06, 2020, 07:10:30 PM
Last time I checked pope allowed e bikes unless specifically posted at the gate. I know Rayonier bought out pope but until next year all pope land access and rules still apply. Unless someone knows different?
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