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Big Game Hunting => Muzzleloader Hunting => Topic started by: tydawg on November 12, 2020, 01:45:12 PM

Title: Nitrofire / Firestick not up to snuff for WA
Post by: tydawg on November 12, 2020, 01:45:12 PM: Thought I would make my first post here as a warning to anyone else considering the Traditions Nitrofire with the Firestick as a muzzleloader. According to WA DFW they would not consider this to be a muzzleloader. They are taking the position that "loaded from the muzzle" must be both the charge AND the projectile and the Nitrofire only has the projectile loaded from the muzzle.

Now if you read the WAC they mention it does not specifically state that, however it seems they have already taken a position on this, and I do not believe it would be worth the effort to convince them otherwise.

From a hunter's standpoint I feel that the fire stick detracts from the primitive nature of muzzleloader hunting, so I for one am glad that they seem to disallow the fire sticks use for ML.
Title: Re: Nitrofire / Firestick not up to snuff for WA
Post by: TriggerMike on November 12, 2020, 02:27:40 PM: I agree with the WDFW on this. The "load" is both the powder and projectile, and both need to be loaded from the muzzle end, not the breach end.
Title: Re: Nitrofire / Firestick not up to snuff for WA
Post by: tydawg on November 12, 2020, 02:30:13 PM: Quote from: TriggerMike on November 12, 2020, 02:27:40 PM
I agree with the WDFW on this. The "load" is both the powder and projectile, and both need to be loaded from the muzzle end, not the breach end.

I agree as well, I was just pointing out that their definition does leave room for some debate.
Title: Re: Nitrofire / Firestick not up to snuff for WA
Post by: elkboy on November 12, 2020, 02:31:27 PM: I also agree with WDFW on this issue. I wrote in to the WDFW Rules Coordinator to express my perspective opposing this.
Title: Re: Nitrofire / Firestick not up to snuff for WA
Post by: Sabotloader on November 12, 2020, 04:54:55 PM: You guys have expressed my feeling also...
Title: Re: Nitrofire / Firestick not up to snuff for WA
Post by: Dirty Mike on November 13, 2020, 12:06:49 PM: I'm very happy to hear this
Title: Re: Nitrofire / Firestick not up to snuff for WA
Post by: blackpowderhunter on November 13, 2020, 02:19:42 PM: Quote from: Dirty Mike on November 13, 2020, 12:06:49 PM
I'm very happy to hear this
agreed
Title: Re: Nitrofire / Firestick not up to snuff for WA
Post by: MountainDevil54 on November 13, 2020, 03:21:53 PM: no loss, its a turd design anyway. :bdid:
Title: Re: Nitrofire / Firestick not up to snuff for WA
Post by: Dirty Mike on November 17, 2020, 07:53:05 PM: Quote from: MountainDevil54 on November 13, 2020, 03:21:53 PM
no loss, its a turd design anyway. :bdid:
agreed 👍
Title: Re: Nitrofire / Firestick not up to snuff for WA
Post by: Magnum_Willys on November 17, 2020, 08:00:44 PM: Great info! Thank you. So is Rem Ultimate muzzleloader legal?
Title: Re: Nitrofire / Firestick not up to snuff for WA
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 17, 2020, 08:36:29 PM: Quote from: Magnum_Willys on November 17, 2020, 08:00:44 PM
Great info! Thank you. So is Rem Ultimate muzzleloader legal?

yes that fire system is legal in wa
Title: Re: Nitrofire / Firestick not up to snuff for WA
Post by: Hart on November 17, 2020, 08:58:15 PM: I approve of this wdfw decision
Title: Re: Nitrofire / Firestick not up to snuff for WA
Post by: The Big Game Hunter on November 29, 2020, 06:43:34 AM: Quote from: Magnum_Willys on November 17, 2020, 08:00:44 PM
Great info! Thank you. So is Rem Ultimate muzzleloader legal?
Yes. That's a legal muzzleloader as long as you use iron sights and not a scope.
Title: Re: Nitrofire / Firestick not up to snuff for WA
Post by: JJB11B on November 29, 2020, 06:46:23 AM: Quote from: Hart on November 17, 2020, 08:58:15 PM
I approve of this wdfw decision
not very often do I agree with WDFW, this is a nice change.
Title: Re: Nitrofire / Firestick not up to snuff for WA
Post by: bendotti on November 30, 2020, 02:16:51 PM: What happens when Federal and Hodgdon decide to change their mind about producing these things when nobody buys these precharged sticks...don't get stuck with a rifle you can't use.
Title: Re: Nitrofire / Firestick not up to snuff for WA
Post by: buckfvr on November 30, 2020, 02:22:18 PM: That should put the telescopic sight conversation to an end also.