Post by: Slamadoo on November 21, 2020, 07:25:10 PM
This is off FS70. I believe he said Forest Road 701. I looked at OnX and it does lead to a bunch of national forest land.
Curious if anyone else was up there and witnessed/experienced it? I told him to write some letters/emails. Sounds like bullchit if true. I have no reason to doubt him.
Post by: Alchase on November 21, 2020, 08:33:13 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on November 21, 2020, 08:44:50 PM
Post by: Slamadoo on November 21, 2020, 09:29:58 PM
Post by: Slamadoo on November 21, 2020, 09:58:42 PM
Why are they closing an area for a "wildlife closure" during late buck? Now hunters can't access all that land. At least, non-native ones. My friend said the Indian guys were clearly hunting.
Bullchit to be limiting access when our options are already limited. Especially since it creates an uneven playing field. Some people clearly have keys.
Post by: Russ McDonald on November 22, 2020, 01:56:09 AM
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Post by: trophyhunt on November 22, 2020, 08:46:14 AM
Post by: elkrack on November 22, 2020, 10:38:28 AM
Post by: lewy on November 22, 2020, 10:48:34 AM
Post by: lewy on November 22, 2020, 10:56:41 AM
Better get use to it they are buying land all over with all that gambling money they are raking in!
Buying private ground is one thing but keeping us out of our public land is completely another
Post by: trophyhunt on November 22, 2020, 10:59:49 AM
I was wondering why that gate was locked so early and kinda figured it had something to do with the mucks. I would have broke a toothpick off in the lock if I was ur buddy. We need to raise hell and rain the Indians back in here in Washingtontooth pic for sure!!!
Post by: storyteller on November 22, 2020, 11:02:56 AM
Post by: Mudman on November 22, 2020, 11:27:08 AM
Post by: Lucky Eric on November 22, 2020, 11:48:15 AM
If you go to casinos ya have no say, imop. Boycott!:yeah:
Post by: Bango skank on November 22, 2020, 11:55:46 AM
If you go to casinos ya have no say, imop. Boycott!
Or buy fireworks. Etc etc. Dont financially support people who you feel work against you. Unfortunately thats a LOT of the options out there. The list of places i wont do business with is exhausting. Some of the big ones, walmart, levis, p&g. Anybody who is into football, bumping up rating for seahawks, ol paul allen was behind so much of our anti gun legislation, and youve supported him rooting for his sportsball team. Its tiring and inconvenient, but at some point you have to decide to vote with your wallet and stop financing your enemies.
Post by: elkrack on November 22, 2020, 12:07:24 PM
Better get use to it they are buying land all over with all that gambling money they are raking in!
Buying private ground is one thing but keeping us out of our public land is completely another
Totally agree but it will keep happening because they get away with it
Post by: elkrack on November 22, 2020, 12:08:06 PM
I was wondering why that gate was locked so early and kinda figured it had something to do with the mucks. I would have broke a toothpick off in the lock if I was ur buddy. We need to raise hell and rain the Indians back in here in Washingtontooth pic for sure!!!
Rubber cement!
Post by: jackelope on November 22, 2020, 12:12:42 PM
If I was used to going to that location, I would be upset but how is this any different than all the people who complain about trespassers or crossing over someones land to get to the hunting location? If you took the landowner out of the picture, it looks different
It’s a national forest service road. You can still drive the road if the property around it is private. This isn’t at all a case walking through someone else’s private land to get to public on the other side.
Post by: Bango skank on November 22, 2020, 12:15:34 PM
If I was used to going to that location, I would be upset but how is this any different than all the people who complain about trespassers or crossing over someones land to get to the hunting location? If you took the landowner out of the picture, it looks different
It’s a national forest service road. You can still drive the road if the property around it is private. This isn’t at all a case walking through someone else’s private land to get to public on the other side.
Sounds that way. A public easement paid for by our tax dollars being locked up by indians. Totally unacceptable.
Post by: trophyhunt on November 22, 2020, 12:29:35 PM
Post by: jackelope on November 22, 2020, 04:16:44 PM
That’s what I mean.If I was used to going to that location, I would be upset but how is this any different than all the people who complain about trespassers or crossing over someones land to get to the hunting location? If you took the landowner out of the picture, it looks different
It’s a national forest service road. You can still drive the road if the property around it is private. This isn’t at all a case walking through someone else’s private land to get to public on the other side.
Sounds that way. A public easement paid for by our tax dollars being locked up by indians. Totally unacceptable.
Post by: justyhntr on November 22, 2020, 04:24:29 PM
Post by: Naches Sportsman on November 22, 2020, 04:25:44 PM
That’s what I mean.If I was used to going to that location, I would be upset but how is this any different than all the people who complain about trespassers or crossing over someones land to get to the hunting location? If you took the landowner out of the picture, it looks different
It’s a national forest service road. You can still drive the road if the property around it is private. This isn’t at all a case walking through someone else’s private land to get to public on the other side.
Sounds that way. A public easement paid for by our tax dollars being locked up by indians. Totally unacceptable.
Is it a public easement though? I can tell you usfs roads going through old private timber land blocks gets tricky as the forest service in some cases doesn't own that right of way. Timber companies and other landowners are gracious to allow travel through their land but they don't have to if the forest service doesn't own that right of way.
Post by: Bango skank on November 22, 2020, 04:49:06 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on November 22, 2020, 06:10:10 PM
The 7010 roads has been closed since last winter, it's my understanding that the road washed out last winter about 5 miles up and the NFS has no plans of repairing it.That is what i was told. FS office is open but the people you need to talk to I believe are on a vacation all week.
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Post by: trophyhunt on November 22, 2020, 06:38:23 PM
The 7010 roads has been closed since last winter, it's my understanding that the road washed out last winter about 5 miles up and the NFS has no plans of repairing it.closed to who? Everyone except the mucks? Even if it was washed out 5 miles up, that’s a long way 5 miles. Why would a certain group get keys? It’s still BS either way!
Post by: Russ McDonald on November 22, 2020, 07:34:21 PM
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Post by: G.R.K on November 22, 2020, 07:45:16 PM
Post by: HillHound on November 22, 2020, 07:48:15 PM
Post by: justyhntr on November 22, 2020, 07:51:57 PM
:dunno:The 7010 roads has been closed since last winter, it's my understanding that the road washed out last winter about 5 miles up and the NFS has no plans of repairing it.closed to who? Everyone except the mucks? Even if it was washed out 5 miles up, that’s a long way 5 miles. Why would a certain group get keys? It’s still BS either way!
Let me rephrase that, " closed to vehicle" you can still access through other means, we've been riding bikes and walking. Ya, it irritating, but what has happened to that area over the last 40 years is far more irritating.
Post by: csaaphill on November 22, 2020, 07:57:52 PM
black cloths ski masks and bolt cutters time I'd say. :bash:
Post by: trophyhunt on November 22, 2020, 08:10:53 PM
Post by: lewy on November 22, 2020, 08:15:38 PM
Post by: Slamadoo on November 23, 2020, 11:55:19 AM
Bullchit.
I'll try to post the two different maps my buddy downloaded. One from that morning and one from later that night when he got home.
Post by: Slamadoo on November 23, 2020, 12:01:38 PM
If so, my question is why? Thats our public land and we should have access to it.
Something else my buddy mentioned to me, when he was sort of arguing with the Muckleshoot guys. They told him the area was closed due to "garbage" being dumped or something. Certainly doesn't line up with what the FS is telling us.
Post by: trophyhunt on November 23, 2020, 12:06:24 PM
Post by: Tikka Bird Dog on November 23, 2020, 02:03:19 PM
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Post by: trophyhunt on November 23, 2020, 02:42:54 PM
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on November 23, 2020, 02:44:42 PM
If it's the gate right off of the 70 right at the river is on Muckleshoot land. There is landlocked public behind nearly every mainline in the state.
If tax payer dollars are used to build or maintain the road, then it should not be gated with access only to certain groups of people. That is the bottom line. If the road through private was paid for by whomever owns the property then gate away.
Post by: fishngamereaper on November 23, 2020, 02:51:48 PM
How long before they close the gate to the 70 road.
Post by: trophyhunt on November 23, 2020, 02:57:24 PM
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Post by: Russ McDonald on November 23, 2020, 04:13:26 PM
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Post by: pope on November 23, 2020, 04:21:55 PM
How many miles before the slide, and how much of that land is forest service land?
It's about four miles from the gate to the lowest washout. Just below the washout (0.5 miles?), you can see the 7012 splits to the right. A gate there closing the washed-out section of 7010 is a cost-effective solution. Gating all of these roads off down at the Greenwater River is the current "solution". To answer the second question regarding the extent of tribal ownership, I've included an image which shows most of that land is USFS.
Post by: sagerat on November 23, 2020, 06:10:16 PM
I agree, I’m done watching and putting up with this reverse racism bs in this country on all fronts. I’ll yank the whole CS out. At the rate the FS fixes things it will take two years before it’s replaced. Look at the 7030, instead of fixing the culvert in a few man hours they are letting the creek completely erode and ruin the road. Meanwhile there’s a half dozen worthless POS employees down at the headquarters selling maps and Christmas tree permits and munching on granola instead of doing something productive
I’m with this guy, yank the CS out!
Post by: trophyhunt on November 23, 2020, 07:31:55 PM
x2I agree, I’m done watching and putting up with this reverse racism bs in this country on all fronts. I’ll yank the whole CS out. At the rate the FS fixes things it will take two years before it’s replaced. Look at the 7030, instead of fixing the culvert in a few man hours they are letting the creek completely erode and ruin the road. Meanwhile there’s a half dozen worthless POS employees down at the headquarters selling maps and Christmas tree permits and munching on granola instead of doing something productive
I’m with this guy, yank the CS out!
Post by: Russ McDonald on November 24, 2020, 06:22:03 AM
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Post by: trophyhunt on November 24, 2020, 06:47:31 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on November 24, 2020, 08:00:16 AM
Just so everyone knows promoting illegal activities is against forum rules. Tearing out FS gates and cutting locks is illegal.Do you know it's a USFS gate? What type of locks are on it? I would call the USFS and ask who put the gate up.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on November 24, 2020, 08:10:48 AM
Post by: gutsnthegrass on November 24, 2020, 08:28:36 AM
I'm born and raised in Enumclaw. I used to buy that WR pass regularly. Haven't hunted it in 7 years or so. There was two years in a row where Hancock shut down muzzleloader season and opened up for modern firearm. That was the final straw for me. Hunting anywhere near home is a constant fight to get away from the crowds, politics, and over-regulation of land.
It gets pretty frustrating when you can't hunt close to home. Everything seems to be pay to play these days. I grew up hunting Greenwater and the surrounding areas of Enumclaw. I feel sorry for our kids that can't enjoy what we once used to. I understand some of it, If it were my land and people were dumping garbage, I would think of closing gates too. But to close it just because they can seems assinine.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on November 24, 2020, 08:30:33 AM
I'm born and raised in Enumclaw. I used to buy that WR pass regularly. Haven't hunted it in 7 years or so. There was two years in a row where Hancock shut down muzzleloader season and opened up for modern firearm. That was the final straw for me. Hunting anywhere near home is a constant fight to get away from the crowds, politics, and over-regulation of land.
It gets pretty frustrating when you can't hunt close to home. Everything seems to be pay to play these days. I grew up hunting Greenwater and the surrounding areas of Enumclaw. I feel sorry for our kids that can't enjoy what we once used to. I understand some of it, If it were my land and people were dumping garbage, I would think of closing gates too. But to close it just because they can seems assinine.
I don't mind paying at all. I'll gladly pay a fee. I just don't like being locked out so one user group can have a better hunting experience when we all paid the same price.
Post by: Meathunter06 on November 24, 2020, 08:31:13 AM
Just so everyone knows promoting illegal activities is against forum rules. Tearing out FS gates and cutting locks is illegal.Only if you get caught :chuckle:
Post by: logger on November 24, 2020, 10:51:13 AM
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Post by: nwmein199 on November 24, 2020, 10:59:17 AM
Elbe hills are locked out under the disguise of a escapement area, 6 tribes have keys.
I have spent a ton of time (year round) up there over the past 12 years and never seen anyone go in the seasonal gates in elbe hills besides disabled hunters.
Do tribes get keys to all gates on public land?
Post by: logger on November 24, 2020, 11:07:28 AM
we need to go on a field trip then!! we logged all winter up there and it was non stop after the regular season, as well as duringElbe hills are locked out under the disguise of a escapement area, 6 tribes have keys.
I have spent a ton of time (year round) up there over the past 12 years and never seen anyone go in the seasonal gates in elbe hills besides disabled hunters.
Do tribes get keys to all gates on public land?
Post by: bobcat on November 24, 2020, 11:22:16 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on November 24, 2020, 11:40:53 AM
Post by: Russ McDonald on November 24, 2020, 12:13:53 PM
Yes it is a FS gate.Just so everyone knows promoting illegal activities is against forum rules. Tearing out FS gates and cutting locks is illegal.Do you know it's a USFS gate? What type of locks are on it? I would call the USFS and ask who put the gate up.
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Post by: trophyhunt on November 24, 2020, 12:28:14 PM
Post by: Slamadoo on November 24, 2020, 01:43:58 PM
I have already contacted a couple conservation groups that deal with public land access issues and I will also be contacting the FS office here in Enumclaw as well as my representation in DC and in Olympia. It may be futile, but I will do my best.
Post by: Whitefoot on November 24, 2020, 01:58:10 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on November 24, 2020, 02:22:12 PM
I don't want this to get sidetracked by any "pay to play" arguments regarding private land. The land we are being locked out of is public land. National Forest. Open to all Americans. It shouldn't be a private hunting ground for the tribe. It seems the gate in question is a FS gate. The road in question is a FS road.Enumclaw office does you know good. North Bend is the office you need to call. Enumclaw is more of a visitor center now with some people that do recreation and trails.
I have already contacted a couple conservation groups that deal with public land access issues and I will also be contacting the FS office here in Enumclaw as well as my representation in DC and in Olympia. It may be futile, but I will do my best.
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Post by: High Climber on November 24, 2020, 02:33:33 PM
Post by: Whitefoot on November 24, 2020, 02:54:16 PM
Trump should renegotiate a few treaties real quick with the Indians before leaving office
Post by: trophyhunt on November 24, 2020, 03:30:03 PM
Trump should renegotiate a few treaties real quick with the Indians before leaving officethey have no reason to negotiate, the tribes get what ever they want, they give millions to the democrats. Wa was bought by the tribes years ago, and judge bolt didn’t do us any good at all.
Post by: trophyhunt on November 24, 2020, 03:32:10 PM
:tup: :tup:and some tribal members are just too arrogant to give a crap about equal rights, they see the reverse racism, but laugh all the way to the bank.Trump should renegotiate a few treaties real quick with the Indians before leaving office
Post by: Whitefoot on November 25, 2020, 11:02:16 AM
:tup: :tup:and some tribal members are just too arrogant to give a crap about equal rights, they see the reverse racism, but laugh all the way to the bank.Trump should renegotiate a few treaties real quick with the Indians before leaving office
Post by: Blacktail135 on November 26, 2020, 08:13:21 PM
Bingo! Bango hit's the nail on the head! It is tiring at times. I try my best to not financially support my enemies.If you go to casinos ya have no say, imop. Boycott!
Or buy fireworks. Etc etc. Dont financially support people who you feel work against you. Unfortunately thats a LOT of the options out there. The list of places i wont do business with is exhausting. Some of the big ones, walmart, levis, p&g. Anybody who is into football, bumping up rating for seahawks, ol paul allen was behind so much of our anti gun legislation, and youve supported him rooting for his sportsball team. Its tiring and inconvenient, but at some point you have to decide to vote with your wallet and stop financing your enemies.
Post by: Mudman on November 26, 2020, 08:35:04 PM
Nah... Its called erosion control. Road may wash out due to heavy rain and pollute sensitive ecology! :chuckle: Wind blows are a great deterrent as well... Stihl/Husky wind power.Just so everyone knows promoting illegal activities is against forum rules. Tearing out FS gates and cutting locks is illegal.Only if you get caught :chuckle:
Post by: Slamadoo on November 29, 2020, 02:31:16 PM
There were a ton of rigs driving up the 70 road. When you cut off an entire road system (like the 7010) it really starts to condense people onto the few roads that are open. It turned into a *censored* show on the incline before Government Meadows.
Post by: trophyhunt on November 29, 2020, 03:31:22 PM
Post by: wags on November 29, 2020, 08:23:41 PM
What is stopping YOU?
Post by: Whitefoot on December 01, 2020, 09:04:18 AM
Was hoping someone would have ripped that gate out already! It is total BS!