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Title: Montana units next year
Post by: Shooter4 on December 03, 2020, 08:16:38 PM
What are everybody’s thoughts on a first timer going to Montana and there odds on a mule deer and elk during modern rifle best unit to hunt to be successful on both?
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: vandeman17 on December 03, 2020, 08:24:29 PM
I recommend getting and using the gohunt insider if you don’t have it. You will get a lot of good info there along with looking at harvest statistics on the Montana hunt planner
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 03, 2020, 09:32:45 PM
Did you buy your bonus preference points last year?   If no points then no hunt this year.....
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: vandeman17 on December 04, 2020, 02:40:52 AM
Did you buy your bonus points last year?   If no points then no hunt this year.....

Why would you say that?
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: fowl smacker on December 04, 2020, 05:39:59 AM
Did you buy your bonus points last year?   If no points then no hunt this year.....
There are still plenty of other tags available to someone with no bonus points.
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: Skyvalhunter on December 04, 2020, 05:51:52 AM
With more people starting to hunt out of state than ever preference points become more important than ever
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: bear on December 04, 2020, 06:23:35 AM
I’ve never put in and not drawn, but I think this next year will be tough.  Especially with what’s happening in Idaho.
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 04, 2020, 07:31:13 AM
Did you buy your bonus points last year?   If no points then no hunt this year.....

Why would you say that?

Last year only 50% of applicants without any preference points drew tags.
This year I expect much less as all those “losers” have another point this year.

 
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: CastleRocker on December 04, 2020, 07:42:08 AM
We must be lucky...have drawn every year we've put in, and we only put in for deer, not the deer/elk combo, like a lot of others do. 

Have never bought preference points in Montana...yet.  Sounds like we should either start buying them, or just keep rolling the the dice with a 50/50 chance of winning.  (Actually,  as far as odds go...those are pretty darn good).
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: archery288 on December 04, 2020, 07:43:52 AM
Montana used to be a “for sure” thing with a point.  This last year I know several groups that had a point and didn’t even draw.  2021 is going to be even worse.  I wouldn’t count on it as a for sure thing this year.  It’s going to turn into an ever 2-3 year deal here sadly.  Idaho selling out of tags these last few days already and selling out completely last year early, it’s going to drive people to MT unfortunately even though the cost is double.  Writing is on the wall.  I’m as bummed as anyone.
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 04, 2020, 07:48:46 AM
Montana used to be a “for sure” thing with a point.  This last year I know several groups that had a point and didn’t even draw.  2021 is going to be even worse.  I wouldn’t count on it as a for sure thing this year.  It’s going to turn into an ever 2-3 year deal here sadly.  Idaho selling out of tags these last few days already and selling out completely last year early, it’s going to drive people to MT unfortunately even though the cost is double.  Writing is on the wall.  I’m as bummed as anyone.
hell montana is only a hundred bucks more  than idaho now. MT is looking like more of a value now with Idaho's increase and unit restrictions. You can hunt for 5 weeks, WAY more deer, extra doe tags in many areas, and basically the whole state is wide open for your tag. 
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: archery288 on December 04, 2020, 07:50:15 AM
Montana used to be a “for sure” thing with a point.  This last year I know several groups that had a point and didn’t even draw.  2021 is going to be even worse.  I wouldn’t count on it as a for sure thing this year.  It’s going to turn into an ever 2-3 year deal here sadly.  Idaho selling out of tags these last few days already and selling out completely last year early, it’s going to drive people to MT unfortunately even though the cost is double.  Writing is on the wall.  I’m as bummed as anyone.
hell montana is only a hundred bucks more  than idaho now. MT is looking like more of a value now with Idaho's increase and unit restrictions. You can hunt for 5 weeks, WAY more deer, extra doe tags in many areas, and basically the whole state is wide open for your tag.

Truth Karl. The increase in Idaho tag costs there’s not much and incentive to hunt there anymore over anywhere else.  Except travel time depending where you live.
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 04, 2020, 07:54:52 AM
Plus if everyone goes to Montana again, I can get a second idaho tag! Idaho sucks! Montana is awesome! Hunt Montana! :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: ganghis on December 04, 2020, 08:39:41 AM
You can pay an extra $50 for an extra preference point when you apply, so you can bump up to one preference point if you're willing to pay the extra $.  Not sure what percentage chance you'll have with that - think last year w/ deer-elk combo that would take you from 50% w/ 0 points to 75% w/ 1 point.  Or if you want an every-other-year "sure thing" (at least right now), you can get a pref point one year, and hunt the next at 100% by paying the extra $50 to get up to 2 points.
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: Johnny Doe on December 04, 2020, 09:16:13 AM
Montana has a set amount of tags that must go to people with no preference point.  There was an article floating around last year that basically showed your odds were going to be close to the same with 1point or no point.  Now if you have 2 pref points...your probably in business! 

I drew a combo this year with no pref point and I believe my odds were somewhere around 50%.  I hear a lot of guys with 1 pref point did not draw...
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: Magnum_Willys on December 04, 2020, 09:26:14 AM
MT is looking like more of a value now with Idaho's increase and unit restrictions. You can hunt for 5 weeks, WAY more deer, extra doe tags in many areas, and basically the whole state is wide open for your tag.
:yeah:  Yup, dropped ID and going MT this year.
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: Shooter4 on December 04, 2020, 08:07:28 PM
Did you buy your bonus preference points last year?   If no points then no hunt this year.....
Yes I did
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: jstone on December 06, 2020, 05:31:02 PM
So how high did they get in the leftovers #
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: Stein on December 08, 2020, 06:21:38 AM
You can pay an extra $50 for an extra preference point when you apply, so you can bump up to one preference point if you're willing to pay the extra $.  Not sure what percentage chance you'll have with that - think last year w/ deer-elk combo that would take you from 50% w/ 0 points to 75% w/ 1 point.  Or if you want an every-other-year "sure thing" (at least right now), you can get a pref point one year, and hunt the next at 100% by paying the extra $50 to get up to 2 points.

I think they apply the point only after the draw if you weren't lucky, but I could be wrong.  It's hard to keep track of the minute details in all the states.  So, if you pay and draw, you are essentially out that money as it didn't do anything.
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: Buzz2401 on December 08, 2020, 06:51:15 AM
You can pay an extra $50 for an extra preference point when you apply, so you can bump up to one preference point if you're willing to pay the extra $.  Not sure what percentage chance you'll have with that - think last year w/ deer-elk combo that would take you from 50% w/ 0 points to 75% w/ 1 point.  Or if you want an every-other-year "sure thing" (at least right now), you can get a pref point one year, and hunt the next at 100% by paying the extra $50 to get up to 2 points.

I think they apply the point only after the draw if you weren't lucky, but I could be wrong.  It's hard to keep track of the minute details in all the states.  So, if you pay and draw, you are essentially out that money as it didn't do anything.
That's the way I understand it.  You buy point but you don't have it unless you don't draw. Then the next year you have point and are guaranteed at least in years past to draw. Never went more then 1 year without drawing
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: deerlick on December 08, 2020, 08:25:54 AM
no you buy the point and have it that year
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: Stein on December 08, 2020, 08:57:21 AM
Yeah, just looked it up.  Preference points purchased that year are awarded prior to the draw.  Bonus points purchased are awarded after the draw if you are not successful.  I don't do preference points so I assumed the rules were the same.
Title: Re: Montana units next year
Post by: vandeman17 on December 08, 2020, 09:11:34 AM
no you buy the point and have it that year

Yes it is applied at the time of the draw
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