Post by: Norman89 on December 18, 2020, 07:11:02 AM
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 18, 2020, 07:32:07 AM
The margins on manufacturing components is very small.
Liability on completed firearms is huge.
Theft of intellectual property is very common and encouraged by distributors.
And now this.
Post by: Stein on December 18, 2020, 07:35:52 AM
CTD has been doing this for years every time there is a run on something, the first time I saw it I quit buying their stuff, pretty easy to just do that then buy and cry about it.
Post by: Norman89 on December 18, 2020, 08:36:32 AM
Post by: KFhunter on December 18, 2020, 08:52:38 AM
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Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 18, 2020, 09:31:38 AM
If I want to sell you bullets for $10/ea, and the guy down the street wants to sell them for $1/ea, who you going to give business to?
In the world of Google, it surprises me that this is a "thing".
Post by: HighlandLofts on December 18, 2020, 09:51:33 AM
As far as sueing them, no one twisted these people's arms to buy these over priced items.
It boils down to stupid people paying stupid prices and wants the courts to reimburst them for thier stupid decision.
Don't be stupid, just wait it out and buy smart.
Post by: chiwawadan on December 18, 2020, 10:00:25 AM
Profit incentive drives suppliers to make high-demand products available in the first place - if you remove that incentive then you run into shortages.
What's better, (high-demand item) is available but expensive? Or (high-demand item) is completely unavailable?
Post by: Norman89 on December 18, 2020, 10:12:18 AM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 18, 2020, 10:47:30 AM
CTD has been on my boycott list since sandy hook.
You didn't like their $100 Pmags?
:chuckle:
Post by: The Big Game Hunter on December 18, 2020, 10:51:52 AM
Funny how often there is a hard line drawn in the sand on this issue. I stand to the buy cheap stack deep notion, and remember who tried to profit off a pandemic or election and not buy from them. Maybe it's just my moral direction but I don't believe in ever charging anything unnecessarily. That's how I run my business and my father runs his business. It is not uncommon to refund a customer if we came in far under bid on a project. Those customers remember things like that and will return to spend that money with us again and again. Instead of being the dirt bag that says my bid wasn't right and I need more money to finish the job or I need more money or I WONT finish the job. Idk. Respect to a customer reflects back to respect for me as a business owner and I hold that in high valueI'd definitely remember that sort of behavior if I were a client of yours. I'd also be willing to pay more for your services on the next go around because of what you did the first time.
Post by: ctwiggs1 on December 18, 2020, 10:55:15 AM
Funny how often there is a hard line drawn in the sand on this issue. I stand to the buy cheap stack deep notion, and remember who tried to profit off a pandemic or election and not buy from them. Maybe it's just my moral direction but I don't believe in ever charging anything unnecessarily. That's how I run my business and my father runs his business. It is not uncommon to refund a customer if we came in far under bid on a project. Those customers remember things like that and will return to spend that money with us again and again. Instead of being the dirt bag that says my bid wasn't right and I need more money to finish the job or I need more money or I WONT finish the job. Idk. Respect to a customer reflects back to respect for me as a business owner and I hold that in high valueI'd definitely remember that sort of behavior if I were a client of yours. I'd also be willing to pay more for your services on the next go around because of what you did the first time.
:yeah:
Post by: Fl0und3rz on December 18, 2020, 11:02:19 AM
Funny how often there is a hard line drawn in the sand on this issue. I stand to the buy cheap stack deep notion, and remember who tried to profit off a pandemic or election and not buy from them. Maybe it's just my moral direction but I don't believe in ever charging anything unnecessarily. That's how I run my business and my father runs his business. It is not uncommon to refund a customer if we came in far under bid on a project. Those customers remember things like that and will return to spend that money with us again and again. Instead of being the dirt bag that says my bid wasn't right and I need more money to finish the job or I need more money or I WONT finish the job. Idk. Respect to a customer reflects back to respect for me as a business owner and I hold that in high valueI'd definitely remember that sort of behavior if I were a client of yours. I'd also be willing to pay more for your services on the next go around because of what you did the first time.
:yeah:
:yeah:
I pay more and tip well for job well done.
Post by: konradcountry on December 18, 2020, 01:59:11 PM
"price gouging" is a funny term to me.
If I want to sell you bullets for $10/ea, and the guy down the street wants to sell them for $1/ea, who you going to give business to?
In the world of Google, it surprises me that this is a "thing".
Because it isn't legal in most states if it is considered an essential item. This is to protect consumers from retailers that exploit a situation where people need to get the basics and there is a limited supply.
I wouldn't care if they were charging a premium but $60 for a box of 9mm is ridiculous. Legal or not it's just lame and I'm not going to support them.
Post by: h20hunter on December 18, 2020, 02:02:34 PM
Post by: Buckmark on December 18, 2020, 02:06:15 PM
Yeah but this not the same, you have choices of who to by from and choose to buy from them, its not like going to the outdoor concert in the summer where you cant bring in your own bottled water so to stay hydrated you have to purchase bottled water in the venue that is marked up to $10.00 per bottle :twocents:"price gouging" is a funny term to me.
If I want to sell you bullets for $10/ea, and the guy down the street wants to sell them for $1/ea, who you going to give business to?
In the world of Google, it surprises me that this is a "thing".
Because it isn't legal in most states if it is considered an essential item. This is to protect consumers from retailers that exploit a situation where people need to get the basics and there is a limited supply.
I wouldn't care if they were charging a premium but $60 for a box of 9mm is ridiculous. Legal or not it's just lame and I'm not going to support them.
Post by: Dan-o on December 18, 2020, 02:11:15 PM
If any of you have have any Google stock that you bought 5 years ago, I will buy it off you and let you make a reasonable rate of return. Say 6%/year.
I personally have sold ammo to several members during this crunch. In each case, I sold at the standard pre-crisis price, just because I wanted to be helpful.
I don't think I would have been any less ethical to out it for sale at whatever price I could fetch.
Post by: Caseyd on December 18, 2020, 02:58:56 PM
What if prices never go back down? Possible new regulations that lead to drastic supply shortages....that 60 might be a deal
The whole thing seems like a stretch, but maybe we need it to be considered essential to help protect against ammo regulation.
Post by: konradcountry on December 18, 2020, 03:00:12 PM
Yeah but this not the same, you have choices of who to by from and choose to buy from them, its not like going to the outdoor concert in the summer where you cant bring in your own bottled water so to stay hydrated you have to purchase bottled water in the venue that is marked up to $10.00 per bottle :twocents:"price gouging" is a funny term to me.
If I want to sell you bullets for $10/ea, and the guy down the street wants to sell them for $1/ea, who you going to give business to?
In the world of Google, it surprises me that this is a "thing".
Because it isn't legal in most states if it is considered an essential item. This is to protect consumers from retailers that exploit a situation where people need to get the basics and there is a limited supply.
I wouldn't care if they were charging a premium but $60 for a box of 9mm is ridiculous. Legal or not it's just lame and I'm not going to support them.
The law states that you can't charge an exorbitant amount above what it normally sells for during a crisis. It doesn't matter if you can find it elsewhere at a lower price. That would just lead to situation where everyone compares themselves to another competitor that is exploiting the crisis. Well my gas is 500% above what it was a month ago but the other guy is at 400%.
Regardless of the law I think it is lame to charge that much. Charging $10 for a bottle of water at a concert is lame as well.
Post by: konradcountry on December 18, 2020, 03:11:01 PM
Interesting conversation.
If any of you have have any Google stock that you bought 5 years ago, I will buy it off you and let you make a reasonable rate of return. Say 6%/year.
The state laws only apply to essential items.
It's to prevent retailers from doing stuff like jacking up the price of food or water during a natural disaster like a hurricane. They still make plenty of money and can raise prices all they want on non-essential items.
Post by: Stein on December 18, 2020, 03:16:03 PM
Every year about this time there is a hot toy everyone wants to have. They sell on eBay for 10x what the cost in the store and no lawsuits are filed.
Post by: KFhunter on December 18, 2020, 03:37:03 PM
(minus essential items caveats)
No one is asking for government involvement in CTD price gouging.
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Post by: konradcountry on December 18, 2020, 03:47:45 PM
Post by: Platensek-po on December 18, 2020, 05:12:32 PM
Post by: Alchase on December 18, 2020, 07:27:29 PM
I have never found anything, that I could not buy elsewhere cheaper. I am surprised they are still in business.
I don’t know if this lawsuit is the right way to go, but when one company that provides ammo for four or more major ammo names tells us they are bought out through next October, then maybe something should be realigned or thought out differently, if they are the only ones making money off this pandemic/ammo shortage.
Oil companies or go conglomerates make billions by short stocking oil, could that be an example of what is going on in the ammo business?
I would be curious to see what the % in demand increased has been in 2020?
And if that actually correlates to current supply an demand?
Post by: predatorpro on December 18, 2020, 08:19:13 PM
Post by: Angry Perch on December 18, 2020, 09:27:51 PM
Post by: Shoofly09 on December 18, 2020, 09:56:16 PM
When something is in short supply, the price should go up.
Post by: grundy53 on December 19, 2020, 05:30:23 AM
Devil's advocate here......fyi I'd give a sleeve of primers away before taking advantage of pricing......but a box of 9mm isn't essential. You can survive without. Ammo isn't food, shelter, medical related.....I disagree. It can provide you with food, shelter, and medical supplies in an emergency.... as long as they don't pull a gun too 🤣
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Post by: ne kid on December 19, 2020, 06:46:53 AM
Post by: Jason on December 19, 2020, 08:15:00 AM
I asked him about his price gouging and he said he wouldn't do that. He said that he doesn't set the price as all his auctions were starting out at a penny and the ending price was whatever the person was willing to pay to play.
He simply said "if someone wants to pay me $150 for a brick of 22's, there's no way I'm going to say no".
That is perfectly fine with me, but I will never buy or sell anything to anybody that has been price gouging being a retailer or private seller. If you go the route above great, but don't set a ridiculous price.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 19, 2020, 08:24:44 AM
Why not support your local stores? I have never bought ammunition online and think it's time is coming to an end. I'm sure glad I never went to this crazy vortex of a website that forced me to buy ammunition at high prices. Your lack of preparation does not constitute an emergency on anyone else's part.
Our local stores are sold out of all common ammo and have been for a couple of months. I like to buy local and will...if they ever have more ammo. :dunno:
And it's not a lack of preparation. It's constant training that requires a restock from time to time.
Post by: jrebel on December 19, 2020, 08:44:52 AM
Post by: konradcountry on December 20, 2020, 06:07:14 AM
Devil's advocate here......fyi I'd give a sleeve of primers away before taking advantage of pricing......but a box of 9mm isn't essential. You can survive without. Ammo isn't food, shelter, medical related.....I disagree. It can provide you with food, shelter, and medical supplies in an emergency.... as long as they don't pull a gun too 🤣
I used to joke about this with my wife.
Oh don't worry hun, we have a stockpile of food just like the neighbor. I have a gun.
Post by: jay.sharkbait on December 20, 2020, 06:11:17 AM
Devil's advocate here......fyi I'd give a sleeve of primers away before taking advantage of pricing......but a box of 9mm isn't essential. You can survive without. Ammo isn't food, shelter, medical related.....I disagree. It can provide you with food, shelter, and medical supplies in an emergency.... as long as they don't pull a gun too 🤣
I used to joke about this with my wife.
Oh don't worry hun, we have a stockpile of food just like the neighbor. I have a gun.
Lol
Until you go to the wrong house..
Post by: NWShooter on January 20, 2021, 08:48:21 PM