Post by: BIGDOG253 on December 28, 2020, 09:51:24 AM
I was upset my Ring camera didnt catch anything, my truck was parked too far away unfortunately. I have since ordered more security cameras and a steering wheel bar. The steering wheel bar arrived so I put that in my truck as soon as it got here.
5 days later, I wake up to see my truck is gone again!!!! :bash: :bash: I quickly pull up the GPS tracker and see that its still showing right at my house :dunno: I run outside and see my truck a couple hundred yards down the road, its half in the road, half in the ditch. Turns out my steering wheel bar worked :tup: they weren't able to turn the wheel much so they gave up. LEO came out and took another report. Nothing was taken out this time.
I have again increased my security again so hopefully I can catch them in the action if they are dumb enough to come back a third time.
I have a few questions that no one can seem to answer with confidence.
Its a 2017 Silverado.
How are they getting in and starting my truck? No signs of forced entry... They have a device/key fob to unlock my truck and have a chipped key to start and drive it???
Any other suggestions on how to catch or stop these people from doing it again?
Also, apparently my dogs and I are heavy sleepers.
Post by: Crunchy on December 28, 2020, 10:05:55 AM
Post by: hughjorgan on December 28, 2020, 10:16:40 AM
Not sure how they are getting into your truck but my dad locked his keys in his 2011 Silverado and the tow truck driver had a laptop with him and was in the cab in no time at all. Not sure if there is some code he used with bluetooth or what but he spent more time getting unstuck in the snowy drive than popping the lock.
Post by: Buckmark on December 28, 2020, 10:33:16 AM
Also get 2 of these, one obviously for the driveway and the other put in the truck when parked at your house, then you will know when they are there.
https://www.harborfreight.com/wireless-driveway-alert-system-93068.html
Post by: Sandberm on December 28, 2020, 10:38:29 AM
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 28, 2020, 10:49:32 AM
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=how+does+onstar+unlock+my+car&docid=608014172528838434&mid=1EED146209D1A17218F21EED146209D1A17218F2&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
Could be how it's happening
Post by: Stein on December 28, 2020, 10:56:02 AM
If they have time for a speeding ticket, they have time for arresting a car thief, equal protection under the law.
Post by: bornhunter on December 28, 2020, 11:15:37 AM
Post by: Cougartail on December 28, 2020, 11:15:59 AM
You must live in Toppenish?
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 28, 2020, 11:29:45 AM
As for the lack of arrest. Not uncommon. Pretty easy for a property owner to claim ignorance. If it just "showed up" in the middle of the night. Unless someone saw who took it, who was driving it, or someone was in it when recovered arrests for abandoned stolens are uncommon. Something about the courts and jury's wanting proof.
And just because an arrest wasn't made doesn't mean something isn't in the works. Does no good to assume Leo in the area are being lazy.
Post by: Sandberm on December 28, 2020, 11:37:03 AM
Guy I know lived next to a big orchard. There might be 50 farm workers or more working in there, pruning, thinning , picking. One day the guy gets up and his fancy pickup is gone. Police found it a few days later in the bad part of town, up on blocks minus wheels. I heard he wanted to move after that. Which would have been tough for me as he lives off the road a bit with the worlds best view.
Post by: Catfishmoon on December 28, 2020, 11:40:42 AM
Post by: Stein on December 28, 2020, 11:48:24 AM
Sux they keep targeting you..you might consider getting a new key fob programmed for your truck. They may have used your Vin to order replacement fob's.
As for the lack of arrest. Not uncommon. Pretty easy for a property owner to claim ignorance. If it just "showed up" in the middle of the night. Unless someone saw who took it, who was driving it, or someone was in it when recovered arrests for abandoned stolens are uncommon. Something about the courts and jury's wanting proof.
And just because an arrest wasn't made doesn't mean something isn't in the works. Does no good to assume Leo in the area are being lazy.
Possession of stolen property is a crime. Wait a 1/2 day so they can't claim they didn't know it was there, make the arrest and then get fingerprints they could match to the interior and exterior of the truck. Even if they get off, it sends a message and gives the police their fingerprints.
I know nothing about law enforcement, but it seems like they could at least have given the guy some more information about what was going on, especially if they were doing something. I know I called the cops in my town probably twice in the 12 years I have been here and both times they called back and let me know what happened and why and that was for far less than getting a truck stolen once, let alone twice.
Post by: Dan-o on December 28, 2020, 11:55:22 AM
Very sorry for your trouble.
I'd be beside myself.
I'm getting less and less patient with thieves.
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 28, 2020, 12:02:25 PM
Sux they keep targeting you..you might consider getting a new key fob programmed for your truck. They may have used your Vin to order replacement fob's.
As for the lack of arrest. Not uncommon. Pretty easy for a property owner to claim ignorance. If it just "showed up" in the middle of the night. Unless someone saw who took it, who was driving it, or someone was in it when recovered arrests for abandoned stolens are uncommon. Something about the courts and jury's wanting proof.
And just because an arrest wasn't made doesn't mean something isn't in the works. Does no good to assume Leo in the area are being lazy.
Possession of stolen property is a crime. Wait a 1/2 day so they can't claim they didn't know it was there, make the arrest and then get fingerprints they could match to the interior and exterior of the truck. Even if they get off, it sends a message and gives the police their fingerprints.
I know nothing about law enforcement, but it seems like they could at least have given the guy some more information about what was going on, especially if they were doing something. I know I called the cops in my town probably twice in the 12 years I have been here and both times they called back and let me know what happened and why and that was for far less than getting a truck stolen once, let alone twice.
Not to de rail the thread to much but having a stolen item in your property doesn't always meet the criteria for possession of stolen property. If someone ditches a stolen car in your driveway or throws a stolen gun in your front yard should you, the property owner go to jail, or is it possible that the investigation would prove you most likey lacked the knowledge of said item therefore probable cause would not exist for your arrest...
And I may know a thing or two about LE... :chuckle:
Any..back on topic...
The op could put a manikin in a sleeping bag reclined in the front seat...that would get a rise out of em if they came back .
Post by: Stein on December 28, 2020, 12:14:26 PM
Seems like something could have been done. If someone is getting into a newer truck and starting it without the owner's keys, it sure doesn't sound like this was their first or last time at it and well worth the effort of getting them off the street.
Post by: BIGDOG253 on December 28, 2020, 01:43:55 PM
Well not sure how they are starting it, but I would install a fuel cut off switch, or battery cut off, and place it under the dash or center console. Have it set to beep the horn when switched on.
As mentioned above install a fuel pump cutoff switch, until then just pull the fuel pump relay when parked at your house.
Also get 2 of these, one obviously for the driveway and the other put in the truck when parked at your house, then you will know when they are there.
https://www.harborfreight.com/wireless-driveway-alert-system-93068.html
I like these ideas, I will look into this! Thank you :tup:
Since you said "Chevy" Watch this,
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=how+does+onstar+unlock+my+car&docid=608014172528838434&mid=1EED146209D1A17218F21EED146209D1A17218F2&view=detail&FORM=VIRE
Could be how it's happening
Yeah I saw this the other day and a few people mentioned this may be how they are getting in. Onstar is also how I was able to locate the truck from my phone.
Sux they keep targeting you..you might consider getting a new key fob programmed for your truck. They may have used your Vin to order replacement fob's.
As for the lack of arrest. Not uncommon. Pretty easy for a property owner to claim ignorance. If it just "showed up" in the middle of the night. Unless someone saw who took it, who was driving it, or someone was in it when recovered arrests for abandoned stolens are uncommon. Something about the courts and jury's wanting proof.
And just because an arrest wasn't made doesn't mean something isn't in the works. Does no good to assume Leo in the area are being lazy.
Possession of stolen property is a crime. Wait a 1/2 day so they can't claim they didn't know it was there, make the arrest and then get fingerprints they could match to the interior and exterior of the truck. Even if they get off, it sends a message and gives the police their fingerprints.
I know nothing about law enforcement, but it seems like they could at least have given the guy some more information about what was going on, especially if they were doing something. I know I called the cops in my town probably twice in the 12 years I have been here and both times they called back and let me know what happened and why and that was for far less than getting a truck stolen once, let alone twice.
Not to de rail the thread to much but having a stolen item in your property doesn't always meet the criteria for possession of stolen property. If someone ditches a stolen car in your driveway or throws a stolen gun in your front yard should you, the property owner go to jail, or is it possible that the investigation would prove you most likey lacked the knowledge of said item therefore probable cause would not exist for your arrest...
And I may know a thing or two about LE... :chuckle:
Any..back on topic...
The op could put a manikin in a sleeping bag reclined in the front seat...that would get a rise out of em if they came back .
Im looking into getting new keys/locks and reprogramming the key fob, gonna be expensive though, insurance should cover this.
fishngamereaper is correct, as LEO explained to me, just because it was on their property doesn't mean they were the ones who took it. They could only make an arrest if they were physically driving the vehicle. LEO did surveillance on the truck while it was on the property hoping someone would come back to the truck but no one came out.
Post by: 10thmountainarcher on December 28, 2020, 02:35:56 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 28, 2020, 03:30:54 PM
As mentioned above install a fuel pump cutoff switch
Do not install a fuel cutoff, install a starter kill.
Fuel cutoffs can leave you with a dead car while driving down the highway, resulting in loss off power, steering and braking. The worse case with a starter kill is the starter won’t crank, no potential to kill anyone. :twocents:
Post by: millerwheeler on December 28, 2020, 04:06:01 PM
Post by: konradcountry on January 03, 2021, 05:20:50 PM
Put gun and hunting stickers on the vehicle.
Get a security cam or at least a fake one.
Post by: KFhunter on January 03, 2021, 05:38:00 PM
Ding Dong your truck is gone
Post by: Buckmark on January 03, 2021, 05:43:20 PM
This is hilarious as most modern (20+ years of vehicles) have 3+ fuel pump failure points already on them, you have a greater chance of catching covid 19 and dying from it then the above scenario :rolleyes:As mentioned above install a fuel pump cutoff switch
Do not install a fuel cutoff, install a starter kill.
Fuel cutoffs can leave you with a dead car while driving down the highway, resulting in loss off power, steering and braking. The worse case with a starter kill is the starter won’t crank, no potential to kill anyone. :twocents:
A properly installed fuel pump disconnect is not a problem, in fact it will allow the vehicle to start briefly then shut off which may alert you or the dog and will make the thief bail :twocents:
There are so many other reasons your car may lose power and die while driving resulting in the above scenario, but hey do you
If you are scared of your vehicle shutting off while driving and you will lose control then please stay out of vehicles and off the road :DOH:
Post by: huntnphool on January 03, 2021, 11:31:54 PM
This is hilarious as most modern (20+ years of vehicles) have 3+ fuel pump failure points already on them, you have a greater chance of catching covid 19 and dying from it then the above scenario :rolleyes:As mentioned above install a fuel pump cutoff switch
Do not install a fuel cutoff, install a starter kill.
Fuel cutoffs can leave you with a dead car while driving down the highway, resulting in loss off power, steering and braking. The worse case with a starter kill is the starter won’t crank, no potential to kill anyone. :twocents:
A properly installed fuel pump disconnect is not a problem, in fact it will allow the vehicle to start briefly then shut off which may alert you or the dog and will make the thief bail :twocents:
There are so many other reasons your car may lose power and die while driving resulting in the above scenario, but hey do you
If you are scared of your vehicle shutting off while driving and you will lose control then please stay out of vehicles and off the road :DOH:
Try to have any business in the industry install a “fuel kill“ security system in your vehicle, then get back to us on which one will do it.
Go ahead, I’ll wait for your documented reply! :tup:
Post by: Jingles on January 04, 2021, 05:25:53 AM
Then the potential thieves can assume a spread eagle position in the dirt, regardless of weather, until police arrive.with their attempted theft recorded on camera open and closed..This takes the thief out of circulation instead of having them on the street to steal another day.
Post by: nwwanderer on January 04, 2021, 06:39:44 AM
Post by: Jingles on January 04, 2021, 07:26:30 AM
Post by: KFhunter on January 04, 2021, 08:03:39 AM
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Post by: Cougartail on January 04, 2021, 08:28:41 AM
Oh I don't know only takes 1 round for the perps to crap their pants
Depends on where you hit them. :chuckle:
Post by: Buckmark on January 04, 2021, 08:39:21 AM
Never said to have a shop do it, some people can do things themselvesThis is hilarious as most modern (20+ years of vehicles) have 3+ fuel pump failure points already on them, you have a greater chance of catching covid 19 and dying from it then the above scenario :rolleyes:As mentioned above install a fuel pump cutoff switch
Do not install a fuel cutoff, install a starter kill.
Fuel cutoffs can leave you with a dead car while driving down the highway, resulting in loss off power, steering and braking. The worse case with a starter kill is the starter won’t crank, no potential to kill anyone. :twocents:
A properly installed fuel pump disconnect is not a problem, in fact it will allow the vehicle to start briefly then shut off which may alert you or the dog and will make the thief bail :twocents:
There are so many other reasons your car may lose power and die while driving resulting in the above scenario, but hey do you
If you are scared of your vehicle shutting off while driving and you will lose control then please stay out of vehicles and off the road :DOH:
Try to have any business in the industry install a “fuel kill“ security system in your vehicle, then get back to us on which one will do it.
Go ahead, I’ll wait for your documented reply! :tup:
I know in the past and im sure they still do but Viper aftermarket security systems did disable fuel systems and most likely Clifford alarms do also. Car toys sells and installs them. :dunno:
Some factory alarm systems when activated or do not recognize a key kill the fuel system.
So there is already potential for a fuel system to shut down due to an equipment failure already installed in vehicles.....
Ever had an inertia switch in a Ford fail? I have had Fords where the switch is in the trunk and has been tripped while driving due to an item in the trunk sliding around and smacking the side, Which shuts off the fuel pump.
Post by: Buckmark on January 04, 2021, 08:42:13 AM
A fuel cutoff switch would throw constant check engine lightsNo it wont, wired in to cut the relay and the engine will just crank but not start (other than the initial time while the existing pressure lets it, for a few seconds)
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It would just be a crank/no start condition with all the PCM inputs still present, no different than a failed fuel pump
Post by: hunter399 on January 04, 2021, 08:43:42 AM
Put a board with nails right where you stand at the battery.
Sounds like they need a whack to the knee with a shovel,then you tell em as they run off ,if they come back you'll bury them with that shovel.
I've never been quick to use a gun ,but there is always different way to skin a cat.
Post by: KFhunter on January 04, 2021, 09:10:04 AM
Well heck, no brainer then.A fuel cutoff switch would throw constant check engine lightsNo it wont, wired in to cut the relay and the engine will just crank but not start (other than the initial time while the existing pressure lets it, for a few seconds)
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It would just be a crank/no start condition with all the PCM inputs still present, no different than a failed fuel pump
A driveway alert monitor would chime in your house soon as they opened up the door, with the fuel system cut you'd have time to get out there and
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 04, 2021, 09:30:16 AM
Post by: huntnphool on January 04, 2021, 12:00:25 PM
Never said to have a shop do it, some people can do things themselvesThis is hilarious as most modern (20+ years of vehicles) have 3+ fuel pump failure points already on them, you have a greater chance of catching covid 19 and dying from it then the above scenario :rolleyes:As mentioned above install a fuel pump cutoff switch
Do not install a fuel cutoff, install a starter kill.
Fuel cutoffs can leave you with a dead car while driving down the highway, resulting in loss off power, steering and braking. The worse case with a starter kill is the starter won’t crank, no potential to kill anyone. :twocents:
A properly installed fuel pump disconnect is not a problem, in fact it will allow the vehicle to start briefly then shut off which may alert you or the dog and will make the thief bail :twocents:
There are so many other reasons your car may lose power and die while driving resulting in the above scenario, but hey do you
If you are scared of your vehicle shutting off while driving and you will lose control then please stay out of vehicles and off the road :DOH:
Try to have any business in the industry install a “fuel kill“ security system in your vehicle, then get back to us on which one will do it.
Go ahead, I’ll wait for your documented reply! :tup:
I know in the past and im sure they still do but Viper aftermarket security systems did disable fuel systems and most likely Clifford alarms do also. Car toys sells and installs them. :dunno:
Some factory alarm systems when activated or do not recognize a key kill the fuel system.
So there is already potential for a fuel system to shut down due to an equipment failure already installed in vehicles.....
Ever had an inertia switch in a Ford fail? I have had Fords where the switch is in the trunk and has been tripped while driving due to an item in the trunk sliding around and smacking the side, Which shuts off the fuel pump.
With all due respect Buckmark, you have been misinformed. Car Toys and other companies will never install a security system that disables a fuel system, nor does Clifford (who owns DEI, makers of Viper) recommend or condone fuel system cut offs. I happen to know his for a fact, Dan is friend and coworker from before April Fools Day 1987. ;)
Here is a Viper install manual clip, discussing the “starter kill”. You will notice it clearly shows the “starter” wire being cut and hooked up with a relay, not the “ignition” wire or “fuel pump” wire. No business owner is going to risk their company with those other type of cut offs! :twocents:
Post by: Buckmark on January 04, 2021, 01:06:05 PM
With all due respect Huntnphool, Clifford back in the day (awhile ago :chuckle:) had an optional wireless immobilizer kit for some of their systems, which disabled the fuel pump circuit..Never said to have a shop do it, some people can do things themselvesThis is hilarious as most modern (20+ years of vehicles) have 3+ fuel pump failure points already on them, you have a greater chance of catching covid 19 and dying from it then the above scenario :rolleyes:As mentioned above install a fuel pump cutoff switch
Do not install a fuel cutoff, install a starter kill.
Fuel cutoffs can leave you with a dead car while driving down the highway, resulting in loss off power, steering and braking. The worse case with a starter kill is the starter won’t crank, no potential to kill anyone. :twocents:
A properly installed fuel pump disconnect is not a problem, in fact it will allow the vehicle to start briefly then shut off which may alert you or the dog and will make the thief bail :twocents:
There are so many other reasons your car may lose power and die while driving resulting in the above scenario, but hey do you
If you are scared of your vehicle shutting off while driving and you will lose control then please stay out of vehicles and off the road :DOH:
Try to have any business in the industry install a “fuel kill“ security system in your vehicle, then get back to us on which one will do it.
Go ahead, I’ll wait for your documented reply! :tup:
I know in the past and im sure they still do but Viper aftermarket security systems did disable fuel systems and most likely Clifford alarms do also. Car toys sells and installs them. :dunno:
Some factory alarm systems when activated or do not recognize a key kill the fuel system.
So there is already potential for a fuel system to shut down due to an equipment failure already installed in vehicles.....
Ever had an inertia switch in a Ford fail? I have had Fords where the switch is in the trunk and has been tripped while driving due to an item in the trunk sliding around and smacking the side, Which shuts off the fuel pump.
With all due respect Buckmark, you have been misinformed. Car Toys and other companies will never install a security system that disables a fuel system, nor does Clifford (who owns DEI, makers of Viper) recommend or condone fuel system cut offs. I happen to know his for a fact, Dan is friend and coworker from before April Fools Day 1987. ;)
Here is a Viper install manual clip, discussing the “starter kill”. You will notice it clearly shows the “starter” wire being cut and hooked up with a relay, not the “ignition” wire or “fuel pump” wire. No business owner is going to risk their company with those other type of cut offs! :twocents:
Maybe not anymore, but i wonder if they ever installed one of those? You apparently can ask. Clifford part #905210 wireless Immobilizer
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From the installation instructions: (only the good parts)
Wireless Immobilizer
The Wireless Immobilizer can be installed anywhere in the vehicle where there is a 12V line that will shut down the engine when
cut.
1. Find a positive ignition wire or positive fuel pump wire.
5. Connect the BLACK wire labeled Ignition Fuel Input +12V to the key side of the cut line.
6. Connect the BLACK wire labeled Ignition Fuel Output +12V to the engine side of the cut line.
So lets agree to disagree, i am sure they no longer interrupt fuel systems, but they did
Good luck to the OP whatever he chooses to do
Post by: konradcountry on January 05, 2021, 10:22:48 AM
They won't mess with the fuel line.
If your vehicle is getting hacked through onstar they could probably disable that and just add a standard alarm.
Post by: birddogdad on January 05, 2021, 10:47:49 AM
Post by: M_ray on January 05, 2021, 11:04:17 AM
With all due respect Huntnphool, Clifford back in the day (awhile ago :chuckle:) had an optional wireless immobilizer kit for some of their systems, which disabled the fuel pump circuit..Never said to have a shop do it, some people can do things themselvesThis is hilarious as most modern (20+ years of vehicles) have 3+ fuel pump failure points already on them, you have a greater chance of catching covid 19 and dying from it then the above scenario :rolleyes:As mentioned above install a fuel pump cutoff switch
Do not install a fuel cutoff, install a starter kill.
Fuel cutoffs can leave you with a dead car while driving down the highway, resulting in loss off power, steering and braking. The worse case with a starter kill is the starter won’t crank, no potential to kill anyone. :twocents:
A properly installed fuel pump disconnect is not a problem, in fact it will allow the vehicle to start briefly then shut off which may alert you or the dog and will make the thief bail :twocents:
There are so many other reasons your car may lose power and die while driving resulting in the above scenario, but hey do you
If you are scared of your vehicle shutting off while driving and you will lose control then please stay out of vehicles and off the road :DOH:
Try to have any business in the industry install a “fuel kill“ security system in your vehicle, then get back to us on which one will do it.
Go ahead, I’ll wait for your documented reply! :tup:
I know in the past and im sure they still do but Viper aftermarket security systems did disable fuel systems and most likely Clifford alarms do also. Car toys sells and installs them. :dunno:
Some factory alarm systems when activated or do not recognize a key kill the fuel system.
So there is already potential for a fuel system to shut down due to an equipment failure already installed in vehicles.....
Ever had an inertia switch in a Ford fail? I have had Fords where the switch is in the trunk and has been tripped while driving due to an item in the trunk sliding around and smacking the side, Which shuts off the fuel pump.
With all due respect Buckmark, you have been misinformed. Car Toys and other companies will never install a security system that disables a fuel system, nor does Clifford (who owns DEI, makers of Viper) recommend or condone fuel system cut offs. I happen to know his for a fact, Dan is friend and coworker from before April Fools Day 1987. ;)
Here is a Viper install manual clip, discussing the “starter kill”. You will notice it clearly shows the “starter” wire being cut and hooked up with a relay, not the “ignition” wire or “fuel pump” wire. No business owner is going to risk their company with those other type of cut offs! :twocents:
Maybe not anymore, but i wonder if they ever installed one of those? You apparently can ask. Clifford part #905210 wireless Immobilizer
*
From the installation instructions: (only the good parts)
Wireless Immobilizer
The Wireless Immobilizer can be installed anywhere in the vehicle where there is a 12V line that will shut down the engine when
cut.
1. Find a positive ignition wire or positive fuel pump wire.
5. Connect the BLACK wire labeled Ignition Fuel Input +12V to the key side of the cut line.
6. Connect the BLACK wire labeled Ignition Fuel Output +12V to the engine side of the cut line.
So lets agree to disagree, i am sure they no longer interrupt fuel systems, but they did
Good luck to the OP whatever he chooses to do
They may have tried it at one point, until the lawsuits came pooring in from those that armed while driving. That doesn’t mean it’s an option today. And doing a home job would make me nervous It could void a warranty.
Post by: Norman89 on January 07, 2021, 11:01:48 AM
Post by: Buckmark on January 07, 2021, 12:00:37 PM
Agree 100%With all due respect Huntnphool, Clifford back in the day (awhile ago :chuckle:) had an optional wireless immobilizer kit for some of their systems, which disabled the fuel pump circuit..Never said to have a shop do it, some people can do things themselvesThis is hilarious as most modern (20+ years of vehicles) have 3+ fuel pump failure points already on them, you have a greater chance of catching covid 19 and dying from it then the above scenario :rolleyes:As mentioned above install a fuel pump cutoff switch
Do not install a fuel cutoff, install a starter kill.
Fuel cutoffs can leave you with a dead car while driving down the highway, resulting in loss off power, steering and braking. The worse case with a starter kill is the starter won’t crank, no potential to kill anyone. :twocents:
A properly installed fuel pump disconnect is not a problem, in fact it will allow the vehicle to start briefly then shut off which may alert you or the dog and will make the thief bail :twocents:
There are so many other reasons your car may lose power and die while driving resulting in the above scenario, but hey do you
If you are scared of your vehicle shutting off while driving and you will lose control then please stay out of vehicles and off the road :DOH:
Try to have any business in the industry install a “fuel kill“ security system in your vehicle, then get back to us on which one will do it.
Go ahead, I’ll wait for your documented reply! :tup:
I know in the past and im sure they still do but Viper aftermarket security systems did disable fuel systems and most likely Clifford alarms do also. Car toys sells and installs them. :dunno:
Some factory alarm systems when activated or do not recognize a key kill the fuel system.
So there is already potential for a fuel system to shut down due to an equipment failure already installed in vehicles.....
Ever had an inertia switch in a Ford fail? I have had Fords where the switch is in the trunk and has been tripped while driving due to an item in the trunk sliding around and smacking the side, Which shuts off the fuel pump.
With all due respect Buckmark, you have been misinformed. Car Toys and other companies will never install a security system that disables a fuel system, nor does Clifford (who owns DEI, makers of Viper) recommend or condone fuel system cut offs. I happen to know his for a fact, Dan is friend and coworker from before April Fools Day 1987. ;)
Here is a Viper install manual clip, discussing the “starter kill”. You will notice it clearly shows the “starter” wire being cut and hooked up with a relay, not the “ignition” wire or “fuel pump” wire. No business owner is going to risk their company with those other type of cut offs! :twocents:
Maybe not anymore, but i wonder if they ever installed one of those? You apparently can ask. Clifford part #905210 wireless Immobilizer
*
From the installation instructions: (only the good parts)
Wireless Immobilizer
The Wireless Immobilizer can be installed anywhere in the vehicle where there is a 12V line that will shut down the engine when
cut.
1. Find a positive ignition wire or positive fuel pump wire.
5. Connect the BLACK wire labeled Ignition Fuel Input +12V to the key side of the cut line.
6. Connect the BLACK wire labeled Ignition Fuel Output +12V to the engine side of the cut line.
So lets agree to disagree, i am sure they no longer interrupt fuel systems, but they did
Good luck to the OP whatever he chooses to do
They may have tried it at one point, until the lawsuits came pooring in from those that armed while driving. That doesn’t mean it’s an option today. And doing a home job would make me nervous It could void a warranty.
I was unaware that it was no longer part of systems or unavailable anymore and appreciate phool pointing that out, i was though pointing out how it was available in the past from companies and installed by installers as i was told it never ever was, that was all.
I can see where it could be a huge liability for a shop and a starter disconnect is the way for them to go, at home guys do a myriad of things ive seen through the years.
Lots of manufactures disable fuel systems as part of the security systems, but that is OEM so less liability i would imagine.
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I like the starter to the horn trick :tup: :chuckle:
Post by: snit on January 16, 2021, 06:13:19 AM
After reading the entire thread, I just have to add my sympathies to the OP! Not much worse than a THIEF, I think we can all agree on that. We work hard to accumulate our assets, regardless of our socioeconomic status, and to then be subjected to repeated acts of thievery is downright despicable! Reading this experience(s) reinforces how fortunate I am to live where I do, but it also makes me examine my laissez-faire attitude towards the overall security of my outfit. I need to be more diligent before I become a statistic. I wish you the best in your future security!