Post by: asmith on January 04, 2021, 10:33:42 AM
We are new to owning quads but not to riding them as my parents have some and we go on trail rides about every year with them. So my question is, is there any first hand experience with either of these, good or bad? Anything that is a need to get with them? I have my wants, but looking to see if there is a 'need' that someone has figured out the hard way. Any help and experience would be great.
Post by: predatorpro on January 04, 2021, 10:52:52 AM
Post by: KFhunter on January 04, 2021, 10:54:30 AM
They'll ride very well and comfy on trails.
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Post by: asmith on January 04, 2021, 10:57:49 AM
My two top picks would be the a suzuki king quad or a honda rubicon. Im not a fan of belt driven anything, which is why i own a honda pioneer, but if i had to get a belt driven quad i would take the can am.
This is new information I did not know or even think about. Please explain why belt driven is a bad thing or worse than chain.
Post by: KFhunter on January 04, 2021, 10:57:54 AM
Its lighter weight, has independent brakes like a motorbike for steep crazy decents down rocky hills, full diff lock, bombproof belt drive system and excellent powerplant.
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Post by: KFhunter on January 04, 2021, 11:07:12 AM
My two top picks would be the a suzuki king quad or a honda rubicon. Im not a fan of belt driven anything, which is why i own a honda pioneer, but if i had to get a belt driven quad i would take the can am.
This is new information I did not know or even think about. Please explain why belt driven is a bad thing or worse than chain.
None of those options are chain drive, all use shaft drive to a rear differential.
The difference is in the transmission.
Honda uses a shifter over clutch system, you pull the shifter up and that engages a clutch, continue pulling up and it shifts up a gear, reverse for shifting down gears.
Its slow and clunky, but reliable so long as you use it correctly. It aslo has a rekluse type clutch so if you let off the throttle it stops trying to go.
The belts are far more efficient and just as reliable unless you're into deep water crossings without a properly prepared machine. Yamaha has a 10 year warranty they put up trying to dispell this reliability myth honda sells machines with.
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Post by: asmith on January 04, 2021, 11:10:00 AM
None of those options are chain drive.My two top picks would be the a suzuki king quad or a honda rubicon. Im not a fan of belt driven anything, which is why i own a honda pioneer, but if i had to get a belt driven quad i would take the can am.
This is new information I did not know or even think about. Please explain why belt driven is a bad thing or worse than chain.
The difference is in the transmission.
Honda uses a shifter over clutch system, you pull the shifter up and that engages a clutch, continue pulling up and it shifts up a gear, reverse for shifting down gears.
Its slow and clunky, but reliable so long as you use it correctly. It aslo has a rekluse type clutch so if you let off the throttle it stops trying to go.
The belts are far more efficient and just as reliable unless you're into deep water crossings without a properly prepared machine. Yamaha has a 10 year warranty they put up trying to dispell this reliability myth honda sells machines with.
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Post by: predatorpro on January 04, 2021, 11:24:26 AM
Ive hiked out of the mountains in snow and been with people replacing belts multiple times from the myth of belts being reliable... people can argue it all day but there is a reason you carry a spare belt and not a spare shaft...lol everytime we climbed to the top of a mountain i listen to everyone talk about their belts smelling hot, most hondas and suzukis do not require manual shifting either anymoreMy two top picks would be the a suzuki king quad or a honda rubicon. Im not a fan of belt driven anything, which is why i own a honda pioneer, but if i had to get a belt driven quad i would take the can am.
This is new information I did not know or even think about. Please explain why belt driven is a bad thing or worse than chain.
None of those options are chain drive, all use shaft drive to a rear differential.
The difference is in the transmission.
Honda uses a shifter over clutch system, you pull the shifter up and that engages a clutch, continue pulling up and it shifts up a gear, reverse for shifting down gears.
Its slow and clunky, but reliable so long as you use it correctly. It aslo has a rekluse type clutch so if you let off the throttle it stops trying to go.
The belts are far more efficient and just as reliable unless you're into deep water crossings without a properly prepared machine. Yamaha has a 10 year warranty they put up trying to dispell this reliability myth honda sells machines with.
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Post by: bustedoldman on January 04, 2021, 11:44:13 AM
Post by: KFhunter on January 04, 2021, 11:45:58 AM
Then yes, smoking belts is common on some years/models and with poorly maintained machines. But it isn't common on Yamaha sleds with 1000cc engines and even mildly boosted sleds pushing over 200hp.
On Yamaha that is.
Polaris and skidoo have had issues with belt eaters and some arctic cats. I align my own belts and check engine mounts as an engine twisting in its mounts will cause belt issues.
Yamaha atvs use a wet disk clutch simmilar to a honda before the belt primary clutch, and its awesome.
Are we talking tracked ATV'S? Then they have them setup wrong or pushing them in high range too hard. Honda would be well suited for tracks I'll give them that, lightweight and you can choose the gearing better, but I'd make sure they had full front diff lock and power steering.
Were any of these quads Yamahas?
Or Yamaha with tracks?
Polaris I could see smoked belts in deep snow, same with can-am which runs hot anyways.
If they're going to track a belt driven ATV they should upgrade clutches and belts for sure, so I argree with above.
Post by: trophyhunt on January 04, 2021, 12:08:30 PM
Post by: elkhunter00 on January 04, 2021, 12:11:37 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 04, 2021, 12:13:27 PM
Tracker atvs?.....and goI don't know enough about them to comment.
Quick google says they're made by textron, which owns arctic cat and polaris.
Interesting.
Might be a good budget friendly option, one I wouldn't trust with my life deep in the woods and too far to walk out.
Post by: Buzz2401 on January 04, 2021, 12:19:58 PM
Post by: KFhunter on January 04, 2021, 12:24:53 PM
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Post by: predatorpro on January 04, 2021, 12:25:09 PM
Gonna hafta provide more details before I buy this, are we talking snowmobiles?Most have been Polaris sidexsides and quads and can am quads. My pioneer 1000 has a rear locker and an "I-4wd" with power steering out of the box, not sure why i would need anything more but i dont run tracks on mine either. I prefer things i dont have to adjust or upgrade as soon as i buy them either. I dont count snowmobiles though lol, they all smoke belts when they feel like it! I have heard good things about yamahas i just havent known enough people with them or been around them enough to give an opinion on. I would put Polaris at the bottom of my list of atv/utv to buy. Just my two cents from what i have seen...but alot of people would disagree with me too.
Then yes, smoking belts is common on some years/models and with poorly maintained machines. But it isn't common on Yamaha sleds with 1000cc engines and even mildly boosted sleds pushing over 200hp.
On Yamaha that is.
Polaris and skidoo have had issues with belt eaters and some arctic cats. I align my own belts and check engine mounts as an engine twisting in its mounts will cause belt issues.
Yamaha atvs use a wet disk clutch simmilar to a honda before the belt primary clutch, and its awesome.
Are we talking tracked ATV'S? Then they have them setup wrong or pushing them in high range too hard. Honda would be well suited for tracks I'll give them that, lightweight and you can choose the gearing better, but I'd make sure they had full front diff lock and power steering.
Were any of these quads Yamahas?
Or Yamaha with tracks?
Polaris I could see smoked belts in deep snow, same with can-am which runs hot anyways.
If they're going to track a belt driven ATV they should upgrade clutches and belts for sure, so I argree with above.
Post by: KFhunter on January 04, 2021, 12:30:25 PM
Ask bearpaw what he thinks of polaris sxs
Post by: trophyhunt on January 04, 2021, 12:30:48 PM
My experience is all with Honda's and they have been bulletproof over the last twenty years we've owned them. I have friends who haven't had the best if luck with Can Ams and Polaris. Never heard anything bad about yamaha, suzuki, or kawasaki. My hunting partner bought a new yamaha after owning hondas forever and after 1 year he is selling it. Nothing wrong with it he just likes hondas better.Which model is he selling? I agree that honda's are bullet proof, but I've only owned a yamaha.
Post by: predatorpro on January 04, 2021, 12:36:03 PM
I agree w you, that pioneer seems to be a good one, although I'd go for the 2021 rmax over it.Those do look awesome! The main reason i was attracted to the pioneer is because i can fit 5 people in it and not be the length of a bus. I wanted just a workhorse for hunting and trapping from. I think the most important thing to know is what you want from your machine. They all have there pros and cons....except for polaris...they just suck. lol
Ask bearpaw what he thinks of polaris sxs
Post by: Katmai Guy on January 04, 2021, 12:56:09 PM
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Post by: jrebel on January 04, 2021, 07:16:24 PM
I would buy the honda rubicon or rincon and not look back. I have a 2003 honda rubicon 500 and it is bullet proof. I am a big guy and it takes me anywhere I want to go. If you want the independent rear suspension, go with the rincon....and it has more power. :tup: :tup: :tup:
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