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Equipment & Gear => Power Equipment & RV => Topic started by: turkeyfeather on January 19, 2021, 12:05:23 PM
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As many know Mrs. Turkeyfeather and I just purchased 20 acres of land. We decided that we are not as young as we once were and definitely want to make taking care of the property easier. Plowing snow, cutting brush, etc. Our question is can we do all this with a quad or are we better off with a small tractor?
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Quad for fun...tractor to get work done. :twocents:
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Depends on where you are located and how much snow you get. Quads are limited to what they can do and how much snow they can push. My vote would be a tractor.....and a quad for just dunking around. There are great financing rates on new tractors right now.
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Both. :chuckle:
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Have them both on my property. Couldn't get it done without my kubota.
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I vote tractor. An atv just doesn’t make the low end grunt that a tractor does for pushing a pile of snow or dragging a cutter through heavy brush. Around here some people have snow blowers on the front of their tractors. That’s something to see, they throw snow a long ways.
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4wd tractor and chains!
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Id say 35 hp 4x4 or larger if you are going to do much as you stated "small tractor", small tractors do small jobs. Id rather have my quad than a small tractor, I plow a lot of snow with my quad but do a ton of work with my 30 hp tractor.
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tractor
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Bring it!! :chuckle:
Thought about selling the "Rice Paddy Rumbler" but I know what shape it's in and if either one of my sons buys a place it would make a good starter tractor. 🤠
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Pics of tractors 🚜 ..... now you know what you need.
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Tractor for work, quad for fun and hauling. Bucket/backhoe on the tractor plus maybe another couple implements for the tractor. A box scraper is invaluable for unpaved driveways, especially long ones. A small, heavy duty trailer for the quad is money well spent.
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Boy that bears hanging on for dear life
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Guess it kinda depends what you'll be doing on your property. Are you staying there thru the winter when you'll need to be plowing snow or are you even in an area that gets lots of snow. Moving a little of dirt or preparing a lot of ground for a garden. I have a little Kubota bx2380 with a 60" belly mower and a front loader. Pretty well takes care of what I need around my 20 acres. I do also have a quad for just general messing around and back and forth to the lake. Mowing about 8 acres so too rough on the quad using a tow behind.
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Guess it kinda depends what you'll be doing on your property. Are you staying there thru the winter when you'll need to be plowing snow or are you even in an area that gets lots of snow. Moving a little of dirt or preparing a lot of ground for a garden. I have a little Kubota bx2380 with a 60" belly mower and a front loader. Pretty well takes care of what I need around my 20 acres. I do also have a quad for just general messing around and back and forth to the lake. Mowing about 8 acres so too rough on the quad using a tow behind.
Right now the plan is to park the travel trailer and use it for recreational purposes and build in 3-4 years. We would like to be able to go up there almost every weekend till that time but the road would most likely not be passable in the event of a significant snow fall.
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I wouldn't buy a tractor to sit it idle on a random piece of property as it could disappear. In the event you aren't ready to build. I'd consider a snow machine to access during snow events and have a snow blower or something up there to open around the trailer.
When it came time to do work on improving the property a 35hp or better tractor saves you lots of time and money.
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Guess it kinda depends what you'll be doing on your property. Are you staying there thru the winter when you'll need to be plowing snow or are you even in an area that gets lots of snow. Moving a little of dirt or preparing a lot of ground for a garden. I have a little Kubota bx2380 with a 60" belly mower and a front loader. Pretty well takes care of what I need around my 20 acres. I do also have a quad for just general messing around and back and forth to the lake. Mowing about 8 acres so too rough on the quad using a tow behind.
Right now the plan is to park the travel trailer and use it for recreational purposes and build in 3-4 years. We would like to be able to go up there almost every weekend till that time but the road would most likely not be passable in the event of a significant snow fall.
That's what we did 20+ years ago. Slowly developed until we finally got a house on it. Don't know where you're at but good idea to keep it cleared and mowed back in case of fires. Small kubota tractors are really handy to have around and pretty easy to buy with 0 financing.
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I wouldn't buy a tractor to sit it idle on a random piece of property as it could disappear. In the event you aren't ready to build. I'd consider a snow machine to access during snow events and have a snow blower or something up there to open around the trailer.
When it came time to do work on improving the property a 35hp or better tractor saves you lots of time and money.
Hmmmm...... that's a good point
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Hands down a tractor no question, i can't imagine trying to do 1/3 of what i do with a quad and the other 2/3 a quad could never do.
Plus like said before most colors have 0%int with no down required on models that will work great, don't discount the abilities of the smaller units either, if you know the machines limitations and your abilities there is not much they will not do.
So many useful implements to help with whatever and the loader is not just for moving dirt etc :tup:
Now with that being said i also have a quad and recommend getting one, they are fun to tool around on, useful for certain things and let you check/explore your property easily and the wife loves using it. Pickup a good used one for cheap compared to new :twocents:
So my turn posting tractor porn :chuckle: Ive had a few
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We trailer our 35 hp tractor back and forth from the property to the house. We use it at both locations. No need to leave it at the property if you don’t plan on being there for a period of time.
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Next question everyone......
If we aren't gonna be there full time for a few years should we wait or do you think we would use it enough (on a P/T basis) to warrant pulling the trigger now? And do you think the financing will stay good later down the road if we wait?
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Looking at possibly this one maybe...... thoughts?
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Save your money for a real tractor.
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I think it is all about what you want to do with it. Someone told me before I bought mine "Buy a bigger one than you think you want or need" For me, I'm glad I listened.
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How much is that tractor? I’m guessing your not that far off a 30-35hp. The implements can be bought used for a ton less money. If you want a backhoe, buy that with the tractor. Back blades, forks, mowers, etc can all be bought used.
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I wouldn't have anything under 30hp.
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I think a 35hp is bigger than most think they need but likely does what you want and more. I personally wouldn't buy a backhoe attachment I would line up all my digging chores and rent an excavator and bang it out. They do so much more digging, and experience has shown me having a tractor with a bucket at the same time is great. :twocents:
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Excellent info......I knew this would be the group to ask.
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If you do buy new, don't fall for any offers of extended warranties. You will never use it. I have a 30 HP Kubota and after 16 years, other than a very minor tire issue (fixed on my own), nothing has gone wrong with it. It is a very strong tractor. I didn't buy the Kubota backhoe because they ran off the PTO at the time. That is no good (neighbor has had many problems with his). Mine runs off the hydraulics of the tractor, much more efficient and more powerful. It was $2K cheaper than the Kubota hoe. Instead of a warranty, I bartered for a couple extras.
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I like my hobby Kubota and wish I could comment on having a quad.
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My backhoe has been a god send. Water hydrant broke.....dug it up and fixed in a couple hours. Without the hoe I would still be digging. Plant a few trees here and there....use the hoe. Yeah it could sit around a bit, but when you need it....it is invaluable. To rent one when your 45 min from town is a pain. Buy once, cry once.
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If you do buy new, don't fall for any offers of extended warranties. You will never use it. I have a 30 HP Kubota and after 16 years, other than a very minor tire issue (fixed on my own), nothing has gone wrong with it. It is a very strong tractor. I didn't buy the Kubota backhoe because they ran off the PTO at the time. That is no good (neighbor has had many problems with his). Mine runs off the hydraulics of the tractor, much more efficient and more powerful. It was $2K cheaper than the Kubota hoe. Instead of a warranty, I bartered for a couple extras.
A co-worker suggested getting a brush hog that ran off the PTO. Do you agree?
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Consider the brush hog and a snow blower that both run off the PTO. THE blower will allow you to keep your drive/private road open without needing to have to push back the berms.
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I didn't buy the Kubota backhoe because they ran off the PTO at the time. That is no good (neighbor has had many problems with his). Mine runs off the hydraulics of the tractor, much more efficient and more powerful.
The ability to run a hoe off the tractor hydraulics is dependent on the machine. Most modest sized ag based tractors have modest sized hydraulic systems, unlike an otherwise similarly sized TLB's (tractor-loader-backhoes) which has a more robust hydraulic system.
Consider the brush hog and a snow blower that both run off the PTO. THE blower will allow you to keep your drive/private road open without needing to have to push back the berms.
Yes. And the simpliest snowblowers require that you back up to blow snow. Fancier ones mount in the front and run off a front or mid mount PTO. And the fanciest ones mount to the loader and run off a seperate PTO driven hydraulic pump.
And in the NE part of the state you should probably give thought to a cab if you're doing much snow blowing. And then you have to think of AC or pulling the cab in summer.
Tractorbynet is a great tractor forum.
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So is the consensus to go with a Kubota & size? Should a person go new($) or used? I suppose you could go used if you knew what kind of use or abuse it had. Just thoughts
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Kubota is a solid machine, I thing the hydraulic pump is much better than other popular brands, but I haven't tried the brand new ones. Used is tough because it seems most people leave their machines out side 24/7. Sounds like the interest rates are pretty good on new, unless you find that perfect jem, then used would be better.
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I wouldn’t say kabota is the only one to look at. There a quite a few very reputable machines out there now days. I looked at kabota and thought the price was super high for what hour getting. I bought a Massey Ferguson with a shuttle shift and saved a ton of money. Mine was used as a loaner from the dealer with a 100 hours on it. It was basically new and had been lent to a golf course to mow the rough for a summer while theirs was being built. Massey’s backhoe attaches to the frame and not the three point hitch like some machines.
If I were in the market again I would consider Deere, kabota, Massey, new Holland as the top brands to look at. Reality is most of the knock off brands are very solid and will work very well for most home owner use.
I found that the used market for compact tractors was strong and pricing wasn’t much better than new. With that said, I have seen some screaming prices on used since I bought mine and a guy could save a pile of cash, especially when they come with many of the implements.
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Since you’re not in a hurry you have the luxury of time. Browse used tractors and look for that deal.
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Any thoughts or experiences with LS brand? I see a ton of ads for them.
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Any thoughts or experiences with LS brand? I see a ton of ads for them.
New Holland imports them, other then that I don’t know much.
If you went new, dealer location to me would come into play on which brand.
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So i am going to change what i said before a bit.
It seems you are not ready to purchase a tractor, ie - No place to keep it? Or having to haul it back and forth for only a few times of limited use atleast in the first few years?Leaving it at the property i would not do.
It all boils down to really how much you will be using one and the logostics till you are there alot more in my experience.
I would rent, find a rental place near the property that rents and have a plan of what you want to get done and do it.
I did this for years because it was not cost effective to own one for 3 or 4 times a year when i needed it, i could rent a unit, trailer and implements when needed for at the time around 250 a day.
So i checked and Kubota and Deere only have 0% for 60mths now, Bota has .99 for 72 and 1.99 for 84, Deere has1.90 for 72 and i did not see anything for 84 so there is that
Doing simple math lets use 30k (may be more or less depending on machine etc, but not much), so 30k for the tractor, trailer and tax/financing if you go past 60mnths
So $500 per and 60, $417 at 72 or $358 at 84, plus shelling out for implements as you want them
Me i would buy a quad now and rent a machine to knock out stuff you want done now and buy when you are there more to maintain the place.
And make a tractor "payment" into my tractor down the road account :twocents:
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So i am going to change what i said before a bit.
It seems you are not ready to purchase a tractor, ie - No place to keep it? Or having to haul it back and forth for only a few times of limited use atleast in the first few years?Leaving it at the property i would not do.
It all boils down to really how much you will be using one and the logostics till you are there alot more in my experience.
I would rent, find a rental place near the property that rents and have a plan of what you want to get done and do it.
I did this for years because it was not cost effective to own one for 3 or 4 times a year when i needed it, i could rent a unit, trailer and implements when needed for at the time around 250 a day.
So i checked and Kubota and Deere only have 0% for 60mths now, Bota has .99 for 72 and 1.99 for 84, Deere has1.90 for 72 and i did not see anything for 84 so there is that
Doing simple math lets use 30k (may be more or less depending on machine etc, but not much), so 30k for the tractor, trailer and tax/financing if you go past 60mnths
So $500 per and 60, $417 at 72 or $358 at 84, plus shelling out for implements as you want them
Me i would buy a quad now and rent a machine to knock out stuff you want done now and buy when you are there more to maintain the place.
And make a tractor "payment" into my tractor down the road account :twocents:
That is really great advice. Thank you
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If you aren't going to live on the property then storage becomes an issue. If you are set on buying, a 20 acre parcel that isn't too overgrown can be managed with a smaller tractor and brush hog. The older John Deere 750, 850, or 950 (apprx 17-21 HP) in all wheel drive with a 70 model loader works great for smaller pieces of land. Get yourself a smaller single axle equipment tilt load trailer and you can haul it all around behind your pickup no problem.
If you have bigger brush and timber foliage to handle then start looking at the 30-40 HP models. Quick attach loader gear and even front mowers are great for briars and bushes.
The 950 is 31 hp. That’s what I have. Being a gear tractor, they are a little pain in the butt for loader work, but they are built to work. Mine likes a brush hog for hours with no touching the brakes the best.
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Massy's are all metal still.....are the newer deere and kabotas's plastic?
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I would go geared tractor for ground engaging implements
for loader work and odd jobs - hydro
Not that you can't drag a plow with a hydro, just wears faster and you gotta keep eye on heat.
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Amazing what you can get done with a small tractor. (Small real tractor, not a big lawnmower.) Mine is 18hp diesel with a loader and 4wd. (I wouldn't really bother without a loader or 4wd, unless it was an amazing "use-then-flip" deal. )
That being said, I'd be watching the used market, especially local to the property, for something cheap and temporary...
Lots of good input, but... it is really amazing what you can get done, so I'd get something to play with on your visits there!
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Mine is 1983 second owner. Our family has had it since 1986.
I use the heck out of it, but since I’m now sixty, I baby the old steel more than I did in the old days. Engine oil gets changed yearly, and trans biannually. It only has 730 hours, so I’m careful.
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Any thoughts or experiences with LS brand? I see a ton of ads for them.
New Holland imports them, other then that I don’t know much.
If you went new, dealer location to me would come into play on which brand.
LS builds New Holland tractors. Haven’t met anyone who has a bad word to say about LS. :tup:
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What do you guys think of Bobcat or the Case version of it? Limited?
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What do you guys think of Bobcat or the Case version of it? Limited?
Skid steers have worth, but its mostly digging related. If you moving dirt skidsteer is probably the right move but the ammount of implents for tractors are more cheapernto buy and rent.
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What do you guys think of Bobcat or the Case version of it? Limited?
Skid steers have worth, but its mostly digging related. If you moving dirt skidsteer is probably the right move but the ammount of implents for tractors are more cheapernto buy and rent.
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I think he was talking about the Bobcat brand compact tractors that were marketed for a few years.
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I'd do something like this
https://spokane.craigslist.org/grd/d/spirit-lake-john-deere-tractor/7267268219.html
get you a grapple and snowblade for the front, and you could do a lot of work.