Post by: blacktailer on February 15, 2021, 10:28:33 AM
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Post by: blacktailer on February 15, 2021, 01:43:38 PM
Is the barrel marked 30 WCF or 30-30? I'd think one that old would still be labeled 30 WCF as they didn't start labeling/calling them a 30-30 till some time in the late 1930's or 1940's I think.
I will check that out. Thanks for all of the advice
Post by: Angry Perch on February 15, 2021, 01:48:26 PM
Apparently the ATF made them pour a little bit of lead down the barrel to make it "unfireable/" Seems like such a shame to me
Why would they do that?
Post by: mudflat mike on February 15, 2021, 03:07:47 PM
Alot of "trapper" carbines had 15" barrels, and as such were "shor barrel rifles" and subject to NFA restrictions. They were excluded from that restriction a few years ago, but in the meantime, several were destroyed or altered to make 'em legal. Just makes them worth more now :chuckle:Apparently the ATF made them pour a little bit of lead down the barrel to make it "unfireable/" Seems like such a shame to me
Why would they do that?
Post by: storyteller on February 15, 2021, 03:23:16 PM
I know different condition and gun but still cool, goes along with mudflat saying get a factory letter.
*RARE WINCHESTER MODEL 1894 TRAPPER SADDLE RING CARBINE. SN 318257. Cal. 30 WCF (30-30). Standard grade carbine with 15″ bbl, full magazine, square base front sight with silver blade and 3-leaf, platinum-line express rear sight. Left side of receiver has a stud & ring. Mounted with uncheckered gumwood with 7-7/8″ carbine forearm and straight stock with carbine buttplate. Accompanied by a Cody Firearms Museum letter dated 2008 and a Winchester Gun Museum letter dated 1970 which provide the identical information listing this carbine in caliber 30 with 15″ bbl, received in warehouse Oct. 2, 1906 and shipped Oct. 9, 1906 to Order #67043. Also accompanied by a 2-page letter on Dept. of the Treasury letterhead dated 31 Jan. 1983, listing this carbine, identified by SN, as a Curio & Relic. PROVENANCE: Wes Adams Estate Collection. CONDITION: Very fine to extremely fine. Bbl & magazine tube retain about 98-99% crisp orig factory blue and bbl bands retain most of their orig blue; receiver retains 95-96% strong orig blue with some minor flaking and a light “halo” from the saddle ring; lever & hammer retain brilliant case colors on the sides, fading on the edges. Wood is sound with very minor, very light handling & storage nicks & scratches and retains most of its orig finish. Mechanics are crisp, bright shiny bore. 4-44407 JR21 (10,000-15,000)
Post by: Miles on February 15, 2021, 03:30:37 PM
Apparently the ATF made them pour a little bit of lead down the barrel to make it "unfireable/" Seems like such a shame to me
Why would they do that?
I bet someone could get that lead out of the barrel...
Post by: Angry Perch on February 15, 2021, 03:57:20 PM
Alot of "trapper" carbines had 15" barrels, and as such were "shor barrel rifles" and subject to NFA restrictions. They were excluded from that restriction a few years ago, but in the meantime, several were destroyed or altered to make 'em legal. Just makes them worth more now :chuckle:Apparently the ATF made them pour a little bit of lead down the barrel to make it "unfireable/" Seems like such a shame to me
Why would they do that?
Ahh, that makes sense. Thanks.