Post by: Goshawk on February 25, 2021, 07:41:43 PM
Well, this might be pushing it a bit, so I'll share and see what you all think before I make that call tomorrow.
In dry land or at lease not a deep submerged trap sets, I have tried and succeeded in using a drone to fly over the set, then go low enough to identify if the trap is occupied or not. Obviously this would not work on every set due to timber, distance and hills. In the case of wet sets, I put a strip of surveyors tape accross the trap's door. If the trap is set, you can clearly see the orange tape strip from the air. If it's missing, then the trap has been sprung and is in need of attention.
If it's legal, these are the pros:
1. Speed. I know of several locations where I can check on a set in less than 5 minutes even though it's 1/4 mile or more from any road, or in a swamp that would take me well over an hour to wade through.
2. Checking from the air keeps the set free of disturbance and scent.
3. It allows me to cover a lot more sets due to cutting the time needed to check them daily, and over ground that would be too steep or rough to mess with for daily foot checks.
4. Range of sets. This allows me to be able to spread out a much longer line since I can check every point in minutes.
Cons:
1. Might not be looked upon in a favorable view by the WDFW.
Here's the rub. Drones are only addressed in terms of hunting, harassing or reporting the location of wildlife for "hunting".
"Using aircraft (WAC 220-413-070): It is illegal to:
• Use an aircraft, including unmanned aircraft to spot, locate, or report the location of wildlife for the purpose of hunting.
• Hunt big game on the same day you were airborne for any purpose, except for a regularly scheduled commercial flight.
• Hunt game animals, game birds, or migratory birds on the day one has operated an unmanned aircraft.
Aircraft, boats, or motor driven vehicles (WAC 220-413-070):
Using aircraft, unmanned aircraft, boats, or motor driven vehicles to pursue, concentrate, or harass wildlife is prohibited. This includes ATVs. Hunting from boats with motors is permitted if the motor is off and it is not contributing to the boat's propulsion.
I'm going to call the local WDFW enforcement folks tomorrow and see what their take is on it so I'll not get in too much trouble, and get back to the group just in case anyone here is interested.
Later,
Goshawk
Post by: luvmystang67 on February 25, 2021, 07:50:34 PM
Technically, I think you're good. The fact that you're asking about it means that you know there's a perception risk. From an ethical perspective, as long as you have good view and think you're being fair to any potentially caught animal, and your view is equal to or better than what you'd have in person, I think you're good.
Good luck!
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 25, 2021, 07:55:32 PM
Post by: Goshawk on February 25, 2021, 08:11:18 PM
What about using a cellular trail cam to send you a picture when the trap is sprung?
They are expensive, and only work where there's a very good cell signal. I'm not up to buying a dozen spypoint cameras but I already have a good drone, so long as my wife let's me use it. It's handy for checking cows during calving season too.
Post by: Loup Loup on February 25, 2021, 08:47:14 PM
An enforcement person will say trapping is a form of hunting. I think there is alot of wiggle room there for you.
The WAC 070 is very specific. It says hunting game animals, game birds, and migratory birds. You are trapping furbearers. With the exception of bobcat , which is a game animal. And maybe raccoon. But again, you are trapping not hunting.
If you really got to ask someone, do it via email. Then if you do get a positive answer you have it in writing. Then carry that email in your glovebox.
Post by: Humptulips on February 25, 2021, 08:57:54 PM
Post by: KFhunter on February 25, 2021, 09:27:38 PM
And also "not a check" as the cam could fail.What about using a cellular trail cam to send you a picture when the trap is sprung?
They are expensive, and only work where there's a very good cell signal. I'm not up to buying a dozen spypoint cameras but I already have a good drone, so long as my wife let's me use it. It's handy for checking cows during calving season too.
If you could program it to send a pic at a dedicated time verifying the camera is working and that the trap is empty I think you'd be onto something. I'd give a visual refrence proving it was 'that' trap and not another.
Drone I'd snap a pic and store it to verify checked. The pic would need to be indisputable.
And since this is all unprecedented be prepared to go all the way if charged, as you'd be making law. Essentially you need to build a defense for yourself and it needs to be strong.
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Post by: Born2late on February 25, 2021, 10:09:21 PM
Post by: JakeLand on February 25, 2021, 10:10:23 PM
Post by: Humptulips on February 25, 2021, 10:36:00 PM
You don't have to prove you checked the trap. They have to show you didn't. About the only way to do that is show you didn't remove something in a timely fashion.And also "not a check" as the cam could fail.What about using a cellular trail cam to send you a picture when the trap is sprung?
They are expensive, and only work where there's a very good cell signal. I'm not up to buying a dozen spypoint cameras but I already have a good drone, so long as my wife let's me use it. It's handy for checking cows during calving season too.
If you could program it to send a pic at a dedicated time verifying the camera is working and that the trap is empty I think you'd be onto something. I'd give a visual refrence proving it was 'that' trap and not another.
Drone I'd snap a pic and store it to verify checked. The pic would need to be indisputable.
And since this is all unprecedented be prepared to go all the way if charged, as you'd be making law. Essentially you need to build a defense for yourself and it needs to be strong.
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If you are sure the trap is empty there would be no need to save a picture of the empty trap.
Post by: DishBogget on February 26, 2021, 07:02:22 AM
You can have your SPYPOINT send you a pic every day at a certain time so it could be fine as long as you have cell serviceA friend specifically asked two wardens if using those cameras would count as a trap check and they both said they didn’t see a problem with it
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Post by: Goshawk on February 26, 2021, 07:09:43 AM
You can have your SPYPOINT send you a pic every day at a certain time so it could be fine as long as you have cell service
I have a couple of the Spypoint Dark-V, and their reliability has been very spotty at best. The drone can take either pictures of each set or a video clip of checking the sets, whichever you choose. I've also used it for scouting out drainages for beaver activity, and in the snow for otter slides.
I'll keep you posted.
Post by: MtnMuley on February 26, 2021, 07:22:15 AM
Post by: Buckhunter24 on February 26, 2021, 08:40:28 AM
Post by: Fishhunt223 on February 26, 2021, 09:47:33 AM
I personally use Arlo wireless security cameras on my trapline. I see no reason that enforcement would have an issue with using technology. In theory, this makes trapping more ethical. We are able to remove animals more quickly because we know the instance they are captured, rather than only checking the traps once per day. I have been checked by the enforcement in my area multiple times, and while we certainly have items we do not see eye to eye on, cameras have not been an issue.
Post by: Goshawk on February 26, 2021, 09:51:45 AM
Post by: Goshawk on February 26, 2021, 09:53:01 AM
It would also help not leaving tracks in and out if you where in mud or snow so people can't follow your tracks to your trap location.
An excellent point for traps in more populated areas.
Post by: Goshawk on February 26, 2021, 09:59:48 AM
Post by: KFhunter on February 26, 2021, 09:59:51 AM
I wasn't trying to satisfy a law that didn't exist.
Post by: UrbanTrapper on February 26, 2021, 10:53:43 AM
We do not have "trap checks" in Washington. The law reads that an animal may not be left in a trap longer than a certain length of time. 24 hours for a live trap, 72 hours for a kill trap. Technically you do not have to check the trap for the entire season as long as there is not an animal inside.
I personally use Arlo wireless security cameras on my trapline. I see no reason that enforcement would have an issue with using technology. In theory, this makes trapping more ethical. We are able to remove animals more quickly because we know the instance they are captured, rather than only checking the traps once per day. I have been checked by the enforcement in my area multiple times, and while we certainly have items we do not see eye to eye on, cameras have not been an issue.
Exactly right! I think many of us are over-thinking this. The letter and the intent of the Reg are pretty obviously to keep an animal from being in a cage trap longer than 24 hours. How we achieve that standard is completely open to new techniques. I remember an old adage from my Army days "Never ask a question to which there is an answer you don't want to hear."
Post by: fire*guy on February 26, 2021, 12:53:17 PM
I think people are just getting to caught up in the technology thing, people need to just slow down and enjoy the sport for what it is.
Sorry, just my two cents....
Post by: KFhunter on February 26, 2021, 12:59:48 PM
I'd have to ride the line each day, and that's kinda the point, for me, anyways.
Post by: Ridgeratt on February 26, 2021, 01:10:03 PM
None of this tech would ever work for me, traplines would be long and snowmobile only, no cell service.
I'd have to ride the line each day, and that's kinda the point, for me, anyways.
I know what you mean KF. I get to drive everyday. But I have them where I can check with a set of binoculars.
Post by: KFhunter on February 26, 2021, 04:00:17 PM
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Post by: JakeLand on February 26, 2021, 04:44:31 PM
I used to trap back when I was in high school and for some time after that, this was before the foothold and conibears where made illegal. I remember those early days fondly. I enjoyed just being out in the woods or ponds learning about animal habits , looking for new set locations and always the excitement of walking up on a set that your made just days before to see what you might have in the trap.100% agree ... but on my nuisance jobs I use the SPYPOINTS ! Checking the cat and marten lines it’s like Christmas morning each time
I think people are just getting to caught up in the technology thing, people need to just slow down and enjoy the sport for what it is.
Sorry, just my two cents....
Post by: Goshawk on February 27, 2021, 09:09:10 AM
I used to trap back when I was in high school and for some time after that, this was before the foothold and conibears where made illegal. I remember those early days fondly. I enjoyed just being out in the woods or ponds learning about animal habits , looking for new set locations and always the excitement of walking up on a set that your made just days before to see what you might have in the trap.100% agree ... but on my nuisance jobs I use the SPYPOINTS ! Checking the cat and marten lines it’s like Christmas morning each time
I think people are just getting to caught up in the technology thing, people need to just slow down and enjoy the sport for what it is.
Sorry, just my two cents....
What model of Spypoint are you having good luck with? After a firmware upgrade, both my Link-darks no longer transmit. Just the firmware upgrade made the signal strength go from 80% to 50%.
Post by: idaho guy on February 27, 2021, 08:55:03 PM
I used to trap back when I was in high school and for some time after that, this was before the foothold and conibears where made illegal. I remember those early days fondly. I enjoyed just being out in the woods or ponds learning about animal habits , looking for new set locations and always the excitement of walking up on a set that your made just days before to see what you might have in the trap.
I think people are just getting to caught up in the technology thing, people need to just slow down and enjoy the sport for what it is.
Sorry, just my two cents....
I was thinking the same thing I love “trap check day” it reminds me of Christmas morning when I was 5 ha ha. Using a drone in certain areas would have a lot of advantages where I trap. Biggest being not leaving tracks for someone else to follow and mess with or steal your stuff and or catch. Plus the time saving would definitely allow a longer line. Having trail cams on all my traps would take the fun out of it for me though I love checking traps. I’m going to look into this too I’m pretty confident I would be legal in Idaho as long as I checked as required time wise
Post by: Goshawk on February 27, 2021, 10:01:44 PM
Now, what I really need is a drone with enough payload that I could snag the trap and fly it back!!!
Post by: idaho guy on February 28, 2021, 06:22:51 AM
Just to be clear, I check 90% of my stuff from my own two feet. There are a couple of sets where I'd have to leave my vehicle along a very public road, then loose a couple of hundred feed in elevation to get to the bottom of were there is some great beaver activity. On those sets, I'm in the air in about 5 minutes, and at 30mph I'm able to get down into the valley and see exactly what I have going on for the day. Obviously, if the trap is occupied, then I'll have to go down into the hole anyways, but when it's not, I just gained an hour and a lot of sweat by not climbing down and up again.
Now, what I really need is a drone with enough payload that I could snag the trap and fly it back!!!
That’s how I understood your intended use. I think it would be useful and a legal way to spot check certain sets along the line while walking/driving to check the rest of the line :tup: I don’t see any legal issues but think you’re smart double checking.
Post by: wags on February 28, 2021, 09:05:59 AM
However, if it is an enforcement person you are talking to on the phone, and they are working, ei. "acting in their official capacity" you are legally in the clear to record the conversation without their knowledge. This could help you out at a latter date. You can do the same thing while talking to them in person.
Post by: KFhunter on February 28, 2021, 10:19:47 AM
So much in enforcement is discretion, but when you put an officers discretion on the line they'll avoid telling what they'd do in a given circumstance, but maybe the next officer wouldn't.
Just be prepared for vague answers in grey areas.
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Post by: Cougartail on February 28, 2021, 10:31:41 AM
Now, what I really need is a drone with enough payload that I could snag the trap and fly it back!!!
They make drones that can do it. Lots of skinning to pay for it!
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on March 01, 2021, 12:30:59 PM
When I worked in Wyoming (obviously much different terrain vegetation cover), I ran into one trapper a few times who was an absolute master at building his sets such that he could check them with a spotting scope from his truck without approaching.
Post by: Goshawk on March 02, 2021, 08:58:50 PM
I have a meeting with a lawyer that works for WDFW Monday. I will ask.
Any good luck with your meeting? I'm still waiting for the WDFW to give me a thumbs up or down.
Post by: Goshawk on March 05, 2021, 06:25:11 PM
Post by: KFhunter on March 05, 2021, 10:31:10 PM
So the WDFW finally got back to me and the verdict is that trapping is form of hunting, so checking a trap with a drone is illegal. Bummer, but I'm glad I asked rather than get turned into a test case for the WDFW.Lol
BS answer
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Post by: Humptulips on March 06, 2021, 01:54:50 AM
I was given a two week time frame to expect an answer so it sounds like you got an answer before me.I have a meeting with a lawyer that works for WDFW Monday. I will ask.
Any good luck with your meeting? I'm still waiting for the WDFW to give me a thumbs up or down.
Post by: bearpaw on March 06, 2021, 06:20:27 AM
So the WDFW finally got back to me and the verdict is that trapping is form of hunting, so checking a trap with a drone is illegal. Bummer, but I'm glad I asked rather than get turned into a test case for the WDFW.Lol
BS answer
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:yeah: Yup no doubt
Post by: KFhunter on March 06, 2021, 10:04:04 AM
Like I said it's a bit grey, so default is automatically no
"he wants to use a drone to check traps?? What the heck? Tell him no"
But it isn't law.
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Post by: Norman89 on March 06, 2021, 10:23:56 AM
Sounds like someone at wdfw needs to make a public statement to clarify there own words. If the drone is illegal based on using tech to check traps, we may as well assume our cell cameras are not legal ways of checking traps as well.
I'll have a chat with the warden when I see him this weekend about this. He knows I have cameras watching cat traps and we have discussed the need to do so to protect the trap, since he was the one who responded to my call when I had a brand new muskrat float stollen off the lake that he inspected before I set and watched where I set it. He was at the boat launch watching me the whole time now every time he sees me he stops to ask how my season is going I usually see him at least every other weekend while I'm out checking sets
Post by: idaho guy on March 06, 2021, 11:08:39 AM
Ya, don't settle for a bs answer.
Like I said it's a bit grey, so default is automatically no
"he wants to use a drone to check traps?? What the heck? Tell him no"
But it isn't law.
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:yeah: there are completely different rules for hunting and trapping right down to the actual animals you can harvest some can only be trapped some can only be hunted. Thats a lazy and pathetic answer that they did not want to put any thought into, My understanding in Idaho is I need to check my traps on a set time schedule there is NO restriction on how I check a legally set trap
Post by: bearpaw on March 06, 2021, 11:22:02 AM
Post by: Norman89 on March 08, 2021, 10:09:31 AM
So there is my :twocents: on the subject
Post by: KFhunter on March 08, 2021, 10:19:01 AM
Which goes back to what I originally said, if a trapper wants to do this then approach it as if you're building defense in a future case.
document document document
In order to settle this question, it'll have to be decided in a court of law.
Question is, do you wanna be that guy?
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Post by: Humptulips on March 08, 2021, 10:24:39 AM
The rub with drones is the law makes them illegal as an aid in hunting. Trapping is defined by WA law as a form of hunting.
On the other hand, on restraining traps there is no check time. The law only says you need to remove animals within 24 hours of capture. There is a 72 hour check on drowning sets. My view, not a legal opinion, you need a physical check every 72 hours. What happens in between to tell you if you have made a catch and need to remove an animal does not fall within the check laws so I think a drone would be OK as long as you physically looked at the set every 72 hours.
I have to disagree with your Enforcement friend about the 24 hour rule on removing an animal as being poorly worded. It was carefully worded and supported by WSTA. It makes it hard for them to write a ticket which is good.
Post by: KFhunter on March 08, 2021, 10:25:54 AM
If you're checking an animal in a cage its likewise already caught and can't be "pursuit"
Also if you're in there with a drone you can't fly around trying to herd animals into traps, and if there's no animal in a trap and you fly away immediately its like backing out with tracking hounds upon finding your animal nit dead yet.
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Post by: Humptulips on March 08, 2021, 10:41:30 AM
Lot's of opinions, but no law. Lots of valid opinions, but opinions aren't law, I'm only interested in law not the validity of opinion.
Which goes back to what I originally said, if a trapper wants to do this then approach it as if you're building defense in a future case.
document document document
In order to settle this question, it'll have to be decided in a court of law.
Question is, do you wanna be that guy?
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No, there really is law that covers drones. Trapping is a form of hunting as defined in the law. Drones cannot be used as an aid to hunting by law. You go to court you are for sure going to lose that argument.
Checking traps is also clear, for killing sets, 72 hour check. Special permit traps, 24 hour check. Restraining traps like cages, no check time but the animal must be removed within 24 hours of capture. Yes you need to check daily but the wording keeps people from getting tickets from varying check times. Example, set traps in the morning, check late the next day. Opens you up for a ticket with a straight 24 hour check law but it is unlikely the animal has been in the trap even 24 hours. The goal, to keep people out of trouble from overzealous enforcement.
Post by: KFhunter on March 08, 2021, 10:46:59 AM
Doesn't make since to me, but if its law....its law.
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Post by: Norman89 on March 08, 2021, 10:48:05 AM
We talked about being that guy. In his words it's how things get changed, is someone being that guy. He brought up how the tribes have a tendency to do things there own way, such as the yakima tribe going into canada and killing an elk, calling to report they did it, and then claiming this was land that there ancestors hunted so they can do it. And it usually goes to court and they win and are granted permission to hunt that area, even if in a foreign country as of today's standards. He said the same has happened with a muckleshoot going into the colville and shooting an elk and it went to court and got thrown out, because the colville said if anyone was hunting our land back then they would have been killed for it. I then brought up that he nor I would have ANYWHERE near the pull in court that a tribe does and he laughed and agreed. But that is how they get there way is push and test to see how far they can go. Not saying that I at all agree with that method but I don't have the lawyer to back me up or the time to take off work to fight it. I don't even have the money for the drone😂
Bruce
I think that came across wrong. I agree it was worded carefully and approved by wsta, but the warden knew there are those in enforcement that will argue that it means a live restraining trap will need to be checked every 24 hrs, thus granting them an easy ticket. Yes it will be thrown out because the officer didn't know the actual law, and will learn the hard way to do his job correctly. Plenty of discussion on this forum of people in law enforcement positions willing to over reach just to puff there chest up with a badge. And that's to be expected there are dirtbags in all walks of life and I believe that was the point he was trying to make, not that it was a mistake to be written like it is
Post by: KFhunter on March 08, 2021, 11:53:06 AM
He's like the head cheese on the Colville res game manager.
It worked, the Colvilles are now recognized as a first nations tribe in Canada and have rights to a massive chunk of land in the upper arrows.
Post by: bigtex on March 08, 2021, 12:03:15 PM
Not a BS answer, in fact, it's the law.:yeah: Yup no doubtSo the WDFW finally got back to me and the verdict is that trapping is form of hunting, so checking a trap with a drone is illegal. Bummer, but I'm glad I asked rather than get turned into a test case for the WDFW.Lol
BS answer
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RCW 77.08.010(33) "To hunt" and its derivatives means an effort to kill, injure, harass, harvest, or capture a wild animal or wild bird.
RCW 77.08.010(65) "To trap" and its derivatives means a method of hunting using devices to capture wild animals or wild birds.
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Post by: KFhunter on March 08, 2021, 12:17:21 PM
Even if its not for checking traps. I already almost broke that law, I had a trapping license and used a drone to check birthing cows...crap! (No traps were set at the time)
But that would violate the 24 hr flight rule.
Nor could I fly a plane on skis to get to a trapline, as they do in Alaska.
Quite a few guys trapping by ski plane they trap around lakes and land on the frozen lake
Sound like a BS law to me.
Post by: KFhunter on March 08, 2021, 12:23:22 PM
Now you gotta consider FAA laws too, using a drone for business? Hmm
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Post by: Norman89 on March 08, 2021, 01:46:45 PM
That's what spy cams and cell cams are used for depending on how you set it up if the camera is triggered it sends a text message picture or video link straight to your phone so you see right away if you have a catch or a miss
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Post by: Humptulips on March 08, 2021, 06:51:45 PM
He was setting for cats off the road in canyons where it was a walk to check the traps but he could check for the signal from the road at a high point.
Post by: Special T on March 09, 2021, 06:56:38 AM
Love the hould collar idea!
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Post by: bearpaw on March 18, 2021, 11:17:34 PM
Not a BS answer, in fact, it's the law.:yeah: Yup no doubtSo the WDFW finally got back to me and the verdict is that trapping is form of hunting, so checking a trap with a drone is illegal. Bummer, but I'm glad I asked rather than get turned into a test case for the WDFW.Lol
BS answer
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RCW 77.08.010(33) "To hunt" and its derivatives means an effort to kill, injure, harass, harvest, or capture a wild animal or wild bird.
RCW 77.08.010(65) "To trap" and its derivatives means a method of hunting using devices to capture wild animals or wild birds.
Thanks for the correction and clarification! :tup:
Post by: Dan-o on March 19, 2021, 07:29:16 AM
(And I do appreciate the facts you bring to so many threads bigtex)
I dont think a drone violates those laws.
You're not hunting or trapping with it.
It doesn't help kill or capture.
:dunno:
Post by: JakeLand on March 19, 2021, 08:57:02 AM
So..... playing devil's advocate here.thats my thoughts or harassing them
(And I do appreciate the facts you bring to so many threads bigtex)
I dont think a drone violates those laws.
You're not hunting or trapping with it.
It doesn't help kill or capture.
:dunno:
Post by: Cougartail on March 19, 2021, 10:16:07 AM
Post by: JakeLand on March 19, 2021, 11:53:31 AM
It is however part of an effort to harvest or capture. That being said..proving a guy isnt just out flying his drone around. Is tough to do.it doesn’t assist in harvesting as if it’s all n the trap it already is and doesn’t help capture it
But this is Washington so
Post by: Platensek-po on March 19, 2021, 12:34:18 PM
It is however part of an effort to harvest or capture. That being said..proving a guy isnt just out flying his drone around. Is tough to do.it doesn’t assist in harvesting as if it’s all n the trap it already is and doesn’t help capture it
But this is Washington so
Would it not make it easier to have multiple traps in difficult locations aiding your harvest?? Seems like that’s what the OP said. I’m not sure if I care about this specific use of drones but certainly makes sense to me given what the rule says. I am 100 against using drones for hunting. Trapping... meh wouldn’t bother me
Post by: idaho guy on March 20, 2021, 01:08:23 PM
So..... playing devil's advocate here.
(And I do appreciate the facts you bring to so many threads bigtex)
I dont think a drone violates those laws.
You're not hunting or trapping with it.
It doesn't help kill or capture.
:dunno:
That’s how I was looking at it too. I didn’t realize trapping was defined as a means of hunting either so that’s good to know. The drone is just checking the traps not helping too trap anything. It would be a real sh$t show trying to herd coyotes or bobcats into your trap lol 😂