Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 08, 2021, 05:15:04 PM
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Post by: Stein on March 08, 2021, 05:25:21 PM
The jury is still out on whether keto or LC is better for me, but I wanted to give it a good trial as the adjustment period seems to be much longer than LC (paleo, low carb, whatever).
I'm also doing some significant fasting and keto is absolutely super helpful for that compared with higher carbs.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 08, 2021, 05:25:35 PM
Post by: MountainWalk on March 08, 2021, 05:26:26 PM
Lean or fatty, it doesn't matter. It works great with hitting the weights.
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Post by: Timberstalker on March 09, 2021, 07:31:38 AM
I do an 18hr fast, twice a week Mondays and Fridays and it has helped with energy levels beyond belief. I follow it with super high fat intake the next day and it seems to provide unlimited energy.
I have been on Keto since January of 2018, with a one month break in the fall, each year.
Went from 235, to 195 and my entire body composition changed.
It's an easy diet to prepare meals for and really is sustainable from my standpoint.
Post by: Stein on March 09, 2021, 07:43:48 AM
A huge benefit is I don't have to count, weigh, calculate or figure anything out. I did that for years and am pretty much done with the food scale.
All I do is watch my nut and cream/oil intake as it's easy for me to go overboard on that. I do 1-2 servings of nuts a day, keep heavy cream to about 2 tbsp if I use it and then not go crazy with butter or oil, just use normal and reasonable amounts in cooking. Other than that, I eat what I want in the amounts to make me full.
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Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 21, 2021, 07:36:30 AM
Welp, too bad its a private group and I don't have the spybook.ya im sure facebook is real concerned with your movements :chuckle:
Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 21, 2021, 07:37:43 AM
Been doing keto for about a year, not 100% no carbs, no sugars but about 80%. lost about 10 lbs is all, started at 204, went to 189 at one point but seem to hover around 193, 194 most the time. My biggest benefit is my stomach doesn't hurt as much and far less of those moments where you need a toilet like NOW! I miss my soft taco and mexi fries, miss my chips and dip, really miss my mac n cheese and my top ramen with an egg in it.ya half measures avail you nothing. I been strict for 6 weeks, down 31 lbs. if your not losing then you dont understand how it works and your body is not going into "Ketosis".
Post by: Bareback on March 21, 2021, 08:17:35 AM
Benefits from the diet: Weight loss (significant, which was not a goal), lowered blood pressure (prehypertension to normal), and an allergic reaction to dairy, which enflames my joints exacerbating my arthritis.
The toughest part of any diet is making a lifestyle change and maintaining them after the diet.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 21, 2021, 09:15:27 AM
Post by: Rutnbuxnbulls on March 21, 2021, 09:46:06 AM
I've finally realized that my diet needs some changes and my metabolism is slowing down (age 43) Put on a good 10-15 lbs in 2020 seems like.
Just started a couple days in a row of 18 hour fasts/8 hour eat with caloric limits and it seems like I have good energy and not really getting super hungry.
Thanks for any help you guys or anyone out there can provide.
Post by: Mudman on March 21, 2021, 09:49:08 AM
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Post by: KFhunter on March 21, 2021, 10:30:56 AM
My plan to break this barrier is shed hunting, already found 4-5 ticks lol
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Post by: bobcat on March 21, 2021, 11:21:05 AM
Post by: Stein on March 21, 2021, 11:23:24 AM
Stein and Timberstalker- I'm interested in the Fasting/Keto combo. Do you guys have some books or literature that you'd recommend for a beginner on each subject? Or maybe some good web sites that you've used.
I've finally realized that my diet needs some changes and my metabolism is slowing down (age 43) Put on a good 10-15 lbs in 2020 seems like.
Just started a couple days in a row of 18 hour fasts/8 hour eat with caloric limits and it seems like I have good energy and not really getting super hungry.
Thanks for any help you guys or anyone out there can provide.
The best book I have read is from Dr. Jason Fung, The Complete Guide to Fasting. He also has a YouTube channel and has appeared on many others.
I just got the COVID shot, so I quit the ADF for now as I figured my body would need more energy and less stress while dealing with the immune response, but I will either see what progress I can make eating every day or jump back on it when I'm through with the shots.
ADF and keto is like magic, I lose .6-.8 lbs a day like clockwork. I do try to add 40-45 min cardio every morning which gives me two sessions between meals. It's a pretty extreme program, but when I get the notion to lose weight I want to get it over as quickly as possible - not the recipe the experts recommend, so don't take any of it as advice. I think any type of restricted eating window will certainly help, I also did noon-6 pm maybe two years ago and that worked as well, but I generally don't get hungry until noon or sometimes later, so it's what works with your body.
Post by: KFhunter on March 21, 2021, 12:09:33 PM
Alternate day fasting
Post by: KFhunter on March 21, 2021, 12:10:40 PM
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Post by: Stein on March 21, 2021, 12:31:53 PM
ADF?
Alternate day fasting
Yeah, eat today and then not tomorrow. Repeat until you are as skinny as you want to be. Brutally simple. Cut your food budget in half and have all kinds of spare time every other day. It can be done on any "diet" on the eating day, some people lose while eating junk food and beer. For me, doing keto makes it 10x easier on the fasting day as well as the other keto benefits.
Back in the day when I was traveling for work, it would be great to not have to eat on heavy travel days as you don't have to pack food and settle for whatever you could grab quickly at the airport or fast food in town. When I was teaching technical classes, I was noticeably more sharp on the fasting days.
I have only done one longer fast, I think it was either four or five days. Pretty unexpected results, lots of stuff you can only experience fasting.
Anyway, different people respond differently, but a tool to try for those interested.
One thing I have adjusted is to only lift on eating days and in the evening after the last meal. I feel and perform much better than trying to lift of fasting days or before eating. When I'm fasting, the focus is on weight loss, not gym progress.
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Post by: Mudman on March 21, 2021, 05:00:57 PM
Post by: KFhunter on March 21, 2021, 05:26:30 PM
1 high quality meal, big arse steak and appropriate trimmings, then gtg for 24 hours
I'm fat adapted due to keto but weight loss has stalled out.
I'm not a treadmill guy, but I'll shed hunt all day. Looking forward to warmer days.
Also I got insultin resistance and wanna nip that monster in tbe bud
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Post by: bobcat on March 21, 2021, 05:45:06 PM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 22, 2021, 01:46:48 AM
that crap will give ya the runs if too much. trust me it can be bad.where did you come up with that, keto is merely cutting out carbs, so no, wrong, our bodies were never meant to process simple carbs in processed foods :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 22, 2021, 02:05:05 AM
That means your body is NOT burning your storage of fat fr energy. which means your cheating somewhere maybe on accident.
Its simple, when your body runs out of carbs & sugar to burn, it burns your fat storage IE going into "ketosis". when you give your body carbs or sugar you leave ketosis and stop burning fat storage. Now, keep in mind, You need "some fat", in your diet is good, to a point! You will also stop losing if your consuming too much fat, i stopped losing til i realized it was the skin on all the chicken I'm eating giving me too much fat burn instead of my own fat! skin on 1 drumstick GOOD, skin on 19 hotwings BAAAAAAD :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: and you MUST drink a ton of water, must.
you GOT to read them labels! and have a limit, should be no more then 30 carbs a day, or 10 per meal, if your not losing go down to like 5 or 6, and watch the fat intake! be weary of sauces, rubs, spices, condiments, etc. imitation sweetener can be an issue for most too. and not all fruits and veggies are ok to eat , alot of them especially "root" vegetables will kick you out of ketosis due to the carbs! my blood sugar was high all weekend, from onions i had on a steak Friday night. its THAT easy to stop losing!! keto isnt a diet, its a complete lifestyle CHANGE, your either all in or your wasting your time because little cheats stop the process.
Again, down 31 lbs in the first 5 weeks, pants from a size 46 to a 38. i was lucky enough to have a diabetic nutritionist and a keto expert drill it all into me.
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Post by: trophyhunt on March 22, 2021, 06:08:18 AM
Post by: Mudman on March 22, 2021, 07:57:17 AM
I refer to the "erythotil"?? sweetner. Spelling... One of em, think that one I tried in my coffee. 4 cups coffee with it and it was like I ate exlax. BAD. Go very easy. Also most of those fake sweetners are chemicals and not proven safe imop and can mess with insulin levels as well.that crap will give ya the runs if too much. trust me it can be bad.where did you come up with that, keto is merely cutting out carbs, so no, wrong, our bodies were never meant to process simple carbs in processed foods :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Timberstalker on March 22, 2021, 07:58:32 AM
Sugar alcohols will clean you out. LOL. :chuckle:
Post by: Mudman on March 22, 2021, 07:59:44 AM
For everyone saying you'v hit a wall and stopped losing,:yeah: Total agreement. Good info KC.
That means your body is NOT burning your storage of fat fr energy. which means your cheating somewhere maybe on accident.
Its simple, when your body runs out of carbs & sugar to burn, it burns your fat storage IE going into "ketosis". when you give your body carbs or sugar you leave ketosis and stop burning fat storage. Now, keep in mind, You need "some fat", in your diet is good, to a point! You will also stop losing if your consuming too much fat, i stopped losing til i realized it was the skin on all the chicken I'm eating giving me too much fat burn instead of my own fat! skin on 1 drumstick GOOD, skin on 19 hotwings BAAAAAAD :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: and you MUST drink a ton of water, must.
you GOT to read them labels! and have a limit, should be no more then 30 carbs a day, or 10 per meal, if your not losing go down to like 5 or 6, and watch the fat intake! be weary of sauces, rubs, spices, condiments, etc. imitation sweetener can be an issue for most too. and not all fruits and veggies are ok to eat , alot of them especially "root" vegetables will kick you out of ketosis due to the carbs! my blood sugar was high all weekend, from onions i had on a steak Friday night. its THAT easy to stop losing!! keto isnt a diet, its a complete lifestyle CHANGE, your either all in or your wasting your time because little cheats stop the process.
Again, down 31 lbs in the first 5 weeks, pants from a size 46 to a 38. i was lucky enough to have a diabetic nutritionist and a keto expert drill it all into me.
:tup:
Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 22, 2021, 08:15:52 AM
toughest part for me is while I'm at work, I drive around a lot and need something to do while driving. I love sunflower seeds and my whole life for the most part I've eaten a bag a day during the work week, no cravings for them on the weekends at all. I've tried to only eat half the bag and the other half the next day, but fail 90% of the time at that. Damn they are good! How often do you guys have a cheat meal? We have a friend that cheats once a week and that seems to kick her back into ketosis? I had a cheat meal on friday and damn if I didn't loose 2-4 pounds by sunday.pickles olives lunchmeat etc are my go to.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 22, 2021, 08:18:54 AM
Stevia will fix that.yes most alcohol is pure sugar. but you can now get the seltzer beers with no sugar and 2 carbs. no buzz but taste good lol
Sugar alcohols will clean you out. LOL. :chuckle:
Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 22, 2021, 08:21:38 AM
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Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 22, 2021, 08:24:10 AM
OMAD is great, also if your weight loss is stalled, try some longer fasts, like 36 hours up to about 72 hours. That's what worked for me. No exercise required. My A1c test last September was 5.7. Down to 5.3 as of a couple weeks ago.good job, Feb 12th when i was admitted to the ER my blood sugar was 420 and a1c was 12.8 :o
Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 22, 2021, 08:25:48 AM
toughest part for me is while I'm at work, I drive around a lot and need something to do while driving. I love sunflower seeds and my whole life for the most part I've eaten a bag a day during the work week, no cravings for them on the weekends at all. I've tried to only eat half the bag and the other half the next day, but fail 90% of the time at that. Damn they are good! How often do you guys have a cheat meal? We have a friend that cheats once a week and that seems to kick her back into ketosis? I had a cheat meal on friday and damn if I didn't loose 2-4 pounds by sunday.ive gotten hooked on garlic n jalapeno stuffed olives :chuckle:
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Post by: KFhunter on March 22, 2021, 10:03:58 AM
sprinke of southwest type seasoning topped with bacon
Baked 350 till pepper cooked, finished on low broil until bacon crisped up some.
Would be good on a treager
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Post by: KFhunter on March 22, 2021, 11:18:08 AM
How bad does it suck? Be honest...
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Post by: bearhunter99 on March 23, 2021, 08:35:23 AM
Here's a good what i can and cant eat, and still dont just eat freely, some still have carbs just low. remember, its not 2 carbs per package, its 2 carbs per SERVING, gotta look at that serving size!
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These are great lists. One thing to mention is that pretty much all "sugar free" sweets have Maltitol as the sweetener. Maltitol has a very high glycemic index and is not much better than actual sugar. Not all sugar substitutes are created equal. We use a lot of stevia and Monkfruit. There is a ton if info on the googler for a reference on sweeteners but check the glycemic index on any sweeteners you plan on using.
Amazon ( I know, evil) and Thrive have more and more keto friendly products as keto has grown in popularity The products are still hit and miss for flavor and texture but my wife has found some pancake mix that is good and a syrup that is thick and tastes good that doesn't affect the blood sugar so there are alternatives out there to "cheat" without really cheating. Even some of the local stores are starting to have more choices and Costco carries the Keto bread (still $4 a loaf but cheaper than most other places) that is zero carb and makes a good sammich.
Post by: Stein on March 23, 2021, 09:44:08 AM
There are other similar brands, but they aren't as good in my opinion. Mostly they don't get the texture perfect, not as creamy.
Make sure you follow the directions and leave it on the counter for 10 minutes before attacking.
Post by: KFhunter on March 23, 2021, 10:09:54 AM
So I'm back to zero snacks and once per day eating. 1 big 2000 calorie meal per day.
Want to loose as much as possible by archery elk, and do a ton of "shed" hunting in very shed poor areas.
Once I'm good with OMAD, I'll start skipping 1 day per week and shed hunt from morning light to last light then crawl in bed.
Last elk season sucked, I couldn't cover the miles I wanted to cover, a 15 mile day meant a 5 mile next day, and I need 15 miles every day and not be so bagged.
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Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2021, 10:11:58 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on March 23, 2021, 10:17:56 AM
I find that "fixes" and substitutions lead to less weightloss and sabotaging ketosis
So I'm back to zero snacks and once per day eating. 1 big 2000 calorie meal per day.
Want to loose as much as possible by archery elk, and do a ton of "shed" hunting in very shed poor areas.
Once I'm good with OMAD, I'll start skipping 1 day per week and shed hunt from morning light to last light then crawl in bed.
Last elk season sucked, I couldn't cover the miles I wanted to cover, a 15 mile day meant a 5 mile next day, and I need 15 miles every day and not be so bagged.
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Not to start a pro vs anti keto debate because I am all about people finding what works for them but just curious why 2k, one time per day, keto, is more attractive than a balanced 2k per day over the course of a day?
Post by: KFhunter on March 23, 2021, 10:25:32 AM
Starts at around 18 hour fasting.
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Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2021, 10:32:50 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on March 23, 2021, 10:40:28 AM
Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2021, 10:42:04 AM
all of that addresses the fasting part but what about keto?
The whole point of doing keto is to keep your insulin level low by not eating carbohydrates. At least that's why I do it.
Post by: KFhunter on March 23, 2021, 10:53:46 AM
all of that addresses the fasting part but what about keto?Keto makes it easier, if you're adjusted to carbs and sugar, starches you'll get a crushing urge to eat and feel sick if you skip a meal or two.
With keto, you're already adjusted to burning fat and consuming ketones for energy, so entering a fast you'll feel a bit hollow inside your gut, a nagging sensation to eat, but its not a crushing crash nor do you feel sick and want to die if you skip a meal or 20.
I did 22 hours yesterday and decided to eat, not wanting to go from eating regularly to fasting skipping OMAD, so I'll adjust to OMAD then dabble into prolonged fasting.
Nice thing is its free, no program or BS to follow, just eat 70% fat, 25% protien and less than 5% carbs
but I'm trying to focus on 70/30 with 0% carbs
I'm doing a 2 hour eating window now, eat a big meal at 6pm and by 8pm nothing but water.
I'll do a week of that and see what the scale says.
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Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2021, 10:57:17 AM
Post by: Stein on March 23, 2021, 10:59:38 AM
Plus, what is balanced? That really has no meaning in my mind. Keto seems balanced to me but not my wife for example.
I view carbs like dairy, some do fine and some people can’t deal well.
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Post by: vandeman17 on March 23, 2021, 11:05:23 AM
It fixes metabolic disorders or at least makes them much better. Usually really fast.
Plus, what is balanced? That really has no meaning in my mind. Keto seems balanced to me but not my wife for example.
I view carbs like dairy, some do fine and some people can’t deal well.
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Balanced to me is one that covers both macro and micronutrient needs efficiently. Processed foods and added sugars are garbage for anyone but for me, quality carb sources are important to my training and performance goals.
Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2021, 11:12:38 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on March 23, 2021, 11:19:13 AM
Your body doesn't need any carbs at all. That's the lie they've been telling us for decades and it's the reason so many people are getting diabetes and other metabolic issues these days.
Pretty interesting considering almost all high level athletes don't have diabetes or metabolic issues yet vast majority consume a significant amount of carbs. Like I said earlier, whatever people want to do that works for them is great because it means they are taking their health seriously. The demonization of carbs is patently false though.
It is the over consumption of carbs, especially processed carbs with added sugars, along with lack of physical activity that leads to many of the health issues our society faces.
Post by: KFhunter on March 23, 2021, 11:25:14 AM
It sounds like you don't have any metabolic disorders, are already lean, and working out a lot.It fixes metabolic disorders or at least makes them much better. Usually really fast.
Plus, what is balanced? That really has no meaning in my mind. Keto seems balanced to me but not my wife for example.
I view carbs like dairy, some do fine and some people can’t deal well.
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Balanced to me is one that covers both macro and micronutrient needs efficiently. Processed foods and added sugars are garbage for anyone but for me, quality carb sources are important to my training and performance goals.
You could keto, but why?
Not sure you need to nor woukd get much benefit from it.
Fasting you could get 3-400% growth hormone boost and get ripped and gain muscle, if that was your goal.
Check out this chick,
OMAD (one meal a day)
1700 calories high fat, low carbs
Plus exercise
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Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2021, 11:34:13 AM
Here's a video from a guy I watch regularly:
Post by: KFhunter on March 23, 2021, 11:38:13 AM
I been watching that guy too
Post by: vandeman17 on March 23, 2021, 11:40:40 AM
True we don't need it, but it doesn't need to be demonized if its clean and the person isn't trying to cure a metabolic disorder.
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:yeah:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/carbohydrates/art-20045705/in-depth/art-20045705
Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2021, 11:41:48 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on March 23, 2021, 11:44:29 AM
Yeah, but I'm just trying to get the point across that carbs aren't needed, because many people are under the impression that we can't live without carbs. I always thought that. Until just recently in the last few months when I began researching and got more educated on the subject. If only I would have known all this 20 years ago.
People can live without a lot of things but that doesn't mean some of those things don't add value.
Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2021, 11:46:06 AM
True we don't need it, but it doesn't need to be demonized if its clean and the person isn't trying to cure a metabolic disorder.
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https://www.mayoclinic.org/carbohydrates/art-20045705/in-depth/art-20045705
That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's completely wrong information. In my opinion. But for a person who exercises regularly and especially if they're relatively young, then eating a high carb diet is fine. But a low carb, high fat diet would probably still be better.
Post by: KFhunter on March 23, 2021, 11:49:49 AM
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Carbohydrates are your body's main fuel source. During digestion, sugars and starches are broken down into simple sugars. They're then absorbed into your bloodstream, where they're known as blood sugar (blood glucose).
From there, glucose enters your body's cells with the help of insulin. Glucose is used by your body for energy, and fuels all of your activities — whether it's going for a jog or simply breathing. Extra glucose is stored in your liver, muscles and other cells for later use, or is converted to fat.
If you have insulin resistance this can create a cascading carb intake problem, since insulin unlocks a cell for glucose uptake, but is resistant to insulin, that glocose floats around unused, your pancreas creates more and more insulin to combat it, and your kidneys start dumping it, and you end up drinking more water. Your on your way to diabetes. So keto limits glucose in your blood, and fasting depletes it from your liver where it's stored.
Over time your cells can reset insulin sensitivity, which means you need less insulin for your cells to take in glucose.
That's my main goal with this.
If I keep eating carbs I'll end up with diabetes, I can slow the process by eating better and exercising more, but it'll still progress.
This keto + fasting is a big giant reset button.
Post by: vandeman17 on March 23, 2021, 11:51:57 AM
True we don't need it, but it doesn't need to be demonized if its clean and the person isn't trying to cure a metabolic disorder.
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https://www.mayoclinic.org/carbohydrates/art-20045705/in-depth/art-20045705
That's exactly what I'm talking about. That's completely wrong information. In my opinion. But for a person who exercises regularly and especially if they're relatively young, then eating a high carb diet is fine. But a low carb, high fat diet would probably still be better.
Completely wrong because it goes against what you believe to be true. For every study that says people don't need carbs, there will be one that promotes the benefits of carbs. How about Harvard studies? Are they wrong too?
"Carbohydrates are a major source of fuel and nutrients for our bodies. They should be part of a healthy diet, even when the goal is to lose weight. When adding carbohydrates, pay attention to portion size; choose whole fruits and make it a whole grain!"
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diet-and-weight-loss/carbohydrates--good-or-bad-for-you
Post by: vandeman17 on March 23, 2021, 11:55:05 AM
From your mayo clinic articleQuoteCarbohydrates are your body's main fuel source. During digestion, sugars and starches are broken down into simple sugars. They're then absorbed into your bloodstream, where they're known as blood sugar (blood glucose).
From there, glucose enters your body's cells with the help of insulin. Glucose is used by your body for energy, and fuels all of your activities — whether it's going for a jog or simply breathing. Extra glucose is stored in your liver, muscles and other cells for later use, or is converted to fat.
If you have insulin resistance this can create a cascading carb intake problem, since insulin unlocks a cell for glucose uptake, but is resistant to insulin, that glocose floats around unused, your pancreas creates more and more insulin to combat it, and your kidneys start dumping it, and you end up drinking more water. Your on your way to diabetes. So keto limits glucose in your blood, and fasting depletes it from your liver where it's stored.
Over time your cells can reset insulin sensitivity, which means you need less insulin for your cells to take in glucose.
That's my main goal with this.
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A good goal to have. Again, I am not against keto when done for the right reasons and purposes. Its the demonization of carbs and also the perception that keto is some miracle weight loss approach that I don't agree with. This is my opinion and based on hours and hours of reading over the years because I have nothing better to do with my time. :chuckle:
Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2021, 11:55:49 AM
Post by: vandeman17 on March 23, 2021, 12:01:30 PM
Just the fact that they're recommending that people eat fruit makes everything else they say suspect. Fruit is nothing but sugar, which our bodies don't need. Another one is milk. Especially reduced fat milk. It's the same as drinking sugar. There's tons of bad information out there, from sources that you would think should be reliable.
Humans shouldn't consume fruit? You do know that sugar in fruit is natural sugars right?
"A diet rich in vegetables and fruits can lower blood pressure, reduce the risk of heart disease and stroke, prevent some types of cancer, lower risk of eye and digestive problems, and have a positive effect upon blood sugar, which can help keep appetite in check. Eating non-starchy vegetables and fruits like apples, pears, and green leafy vegetables may even promote weight loss. [1] Their low glycemic loads prevent blood sugar spikes that can increase hunger."
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/vegetables-and-fruits/
Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2021, 12:05:09 PM
Just try a keto diet for 6 weeks. Then you'll know if it's right for you or not. It's easy to do. No fruit, no milk, no fruit juice, no pasta, no bread, no rice, no potatoes. That about covers it. Oh, almost forgot, absolutely no sugar. Try it.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 23, 2021, 12:16:29 PM
Just the fact that they're recommending that people eat fruit makes everything else they say suspect. Fruit is nothing but sugar, which our bodies don't need. Another one is milk. Especially reduced fat milk. It's the same as drinking sugar. There's tons of bad information out there, from sources that you would think should be reliable.
Humans shouldn't consume fruit? You do know that sugar in fruit is natural sugars right?
"A diet rich in vegetables and fruits can lower blood pressure, reduce the risk of heart disease and stroke, prevent some types of cancer, lower risk of eye and digestive problems, and have a positive effect upon blood sugar, which can help keep appetite in check. Eating non-starchy vegetables and fruits like apples, pears, and green leafy vegetables may even promote weight loss. [1] Their low glycemic loads prevent blood sugar spikes that can increase hunger."
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/vegetables-and-fruits/
The problem is that ketosis is only achieved by cutting sugars/carbs. Ketosis is what eats up the fat in your body. If you eat fruit, then your body doesn't go into ketosis. Yeah, the food pyramid came from Harvard too, and it's wrong. A strict keto diet can help the body deal with diabetes on its own, lower cholesterol, lower blood pressure, lower fat index, increase energy, lower joint pain.
Post by: vandeman17 on March 23, 2021, 01:15:40 PM
Like I said, there's tons of misinformation out there.
Just try a keto diet for 6 weeks. Then you'll know if it's right for you or not. It's easy to do. No fruit, no milk, no fruit juice, no pasta, no bread, no rice, no potatoes. That about covers it. Oh, almost forgot, absolutely no sugar. Try it.
Your misinformation is other's information. How about the American Heart Association. Are they misinformation?
"So when it comes to carbohydrates follow these recommendations:
Limit foods that are high in processed, refined simple sugars provide calories but they have very little nutrition.
Get more complex carbohydrates and healthy nutrients by eating more fruits and vegetables.
Focus on whole-grain rice, breads and cereals, and don’t forget the legumes — beans, lentils and dried peas."
https://www.heart.org/en/healthy-living/healthy-eating/eat-smart/nutrition-basics/carbohydrates
Also, I want to note to everyone that this is NOTHING personal and purely a debate I am enjoying.
Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2021, 01:30:41 PM
Post by: Cougartail on March 23, 2021, 01:34:26 PM
I'm not a doctor but I've played one in my younger years with some gals..
Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2021, 01:37:08 PM
Eating the Keto diet lowers your bodies PH and increases levels of uric acid and other compounds. Never do Keto if you have gout! It also increases your chance of diabetes and kidney failure.
I'm not a doctor but I've played one in my younger years with some gals..
None of that is true. Not sure where you got your information. A keto diet is how you reverse diabetes.
Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2021, 01:39:21 PM
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Post by: vandeman17 on March 23, 2021, 01:48:45 PM
Yes, the American Heart Association gives terrible advice. So does our federal government. Which is why they're feeding kids in our schools a very unhealthy, high carb and high processed food diet. Another one is the American Diabetes Association. They also give people the wrong advice. Then look at doctors- putting their type 2 diabetes patients on insulin or other medication and only making the problem get progressively worse over time, when all these people need to do is change their diet and reverse the diabetes.
That sure sounds like cherry picking to me. Tons of respected and established medical establishments are all full of misinformation that you are positive is false yet the links and books you supply are gospel? Are you seeing the hypocrisy of this?
Post by: Cougartail on March 23, 2021, 02:02:56 PM
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/symptoms/17808-high-uric-acid-levelEating the Keto diet lowers your bodies PH and increases levels of uric acid and other compounds. Never do Keto if you have gout! It also increases your chance of diabetes and kidney failure.
I'm not a doctor but I've played one in my younger years with some gals..
None of that is true. Not sure where you got your information. A keto diet is how you reverse diabetes.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 23, 2021, 02:06:43 PM
Keto isn't for everyone. Either is fruits, nuts, and tofu. If you're not interested, ok. :dunno:Yes, the American Heart Association gives terrible advice. So does our federal government. Which is why they're feeding kids in our schools a very unhealthy, high carb and high processed food diet. Another one is the American Diabetes Association. They also give people the wrong advice. Then look at doctors- putting their type 2 diabetes patients on insulin or other medication and only making the problem get progressively worse over time, when all these people need to do is change their diet and reverse the diabetes.
That sure sounds like cherry picking to me. Tons of respected and established medical establishments are all full of misinformation that you are positive is false yet the links and books you supply are gospel? Are you seeing the hypocrisy of this?
Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2021, 02:09:34 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 23, 2021, 02:12:54 PM
No hypocrisy here. I reversed my insulin resistance by doing the opposite of what these established and respected medical establishments would have me do. And there's plenty of other people like myself reversing their metabolic issues by following a ketogenic diet. We would not have this success if we were to follow the standard American diet.
There's lots of profit and vacations for big pharm and doctors who keep their patients on insulin and other drugs for things which can successfully be treated with a keto diet.
Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2021, 02:19:57 PM
No hypocrisy here. I reversed my insulin resistance by doing the opposite of what these established and respected medical establishments would have me do. And there's plenty of other people like myself reversing their metabolic issues by following a ketogenic diet. We would not have this success if we were to follow the standard American diet.
There's lots of profit and vacations for big pharm and doctors who keep their patients on insulin and other drugs for things which can successfully be treated with a keto diet.
Exactly. But the truth is slowly coming out. Thanks mostly to social media.
Post by: vandeman17 on March 23, 2021, 02:22:05 PM
No hypocrisy here. I reversed my insulin resistance by doing the opposite of what these established and respected medical establishments would have me do. And there's plenty of other people like myself reversing their metabolic issues by following a ketogenic diet. We would not have this success if we were to follow the standard American diet.
There's lots of profit and vacations for big pharm and doctors who keep their patients on insulin and other drugs for things which can successfully be treated with a keto diet.
What about all the people who don't have to take insulin or other drugs and don't follow keto? Those who don't have health issues yet consume those devils known as carbs and fruit?
Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2021, 02:31:34 PM
No hypocrisy here. I reversed my insulin resistance by doing the opposite of what these established and respected medical establishments would have me do. And there's plenty of other people like myself reversing their metabolic issues by following a ketogenic diet. We would not have this success if we were to follow the standard American diet.
There's lots of profit and vacations for big pharm and doctors who keep their patients on insulin and other drugs for things which can successfully be treated with a keto diet.
What about all the people who don't have to take insulin or other drugs and don't follow keto? Those who don't have health issues yet consume those devils known as carbs and fruit?
Like I said it may not be an issue when you're younger and especially if you're very physically active, but as you get older and especially if you're more sedentary, that's when you might start having more issues with a high carb diet.
Post by: KFhunter on March 23, 2021, 02:36:52 PM
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Post by: vandeman17 on March 23, 2021, 02:38:48 PM
No hypocrisy here. I reversed my insulin resistance by doing the opposite of what these established and respected medical establishments would have me do. And there's plenty of other people like myself reversing their metabolic issues by following a ketogenic diet. We would not have this success if we were to follow the standard American diet.
There's lots of profit and vacations for big pharm and doctors who keep their patients on insulin and other drugs for things which can successfully be treated with a keto diet.
What about all the people who don't have to take insulin or other drugs and don't follow keto? Those who don't have health issues yet consume those devils known as carbs and fruit?
Like I said it may not be an issue when you're younger and especially if you're very physically active, but as you get older and especially if you're more sedentary, that's when you might start having more issues with a high carb diet.
I also think it has to do with the quality of diet people of all ages are on. Processed foods and all the added garbage that is in much of the American diet is what is killing us and what has played a huge role in the pandemic but that is a whole different thread.
I really do appreciate the dialogue and discussion here too :tup:
Post by: bobcat on March 23, 2021, 02:44:30 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 23, 2021, 02:47:41 PM
No hypocrisy here. I reversed my insulin resistance by doing the opposite of what these established and respected medical establishments would have me do. And there's plenty of other people like myself reversing their metabolic issues by following a ketogenic diet. We would not have this success if we were to follow the standard American diet.
There's lots of profit and vacations for big pharm and doctors who keep their patients on insulin and other drugs for things which can successfully be treated with a keto diet.
What about all the people who don't have to take insulin or other drugs and don't follow keto? Those who don't have health issues yet consume those devils known as carbs and fruit?
If you don't have any health problems, including weight, why would you change your diet? I think you're missing the point. Many people switch to a keto diet to address serious health issues and for many, it works.
Post by: vandeman17 on March 23, 2021, 02:50:38 PM
No hypocrisy here. I reversed my insulin resistance by doing the opposite of what these established and respected medical establishments would have me do. And there's plenty of other people like myself reversing their metabolic issues by following a ketogenic diet. We would not have this success if we were to follow the standard American diet.
There's lots of profit and vacations for big pharm and doctors who keep their patients on insulin and other drugs for things which can successfully be treated with a keto diet.
What about all the people who don't have to take insulin or other drugs and don't follow keto? Those who don't have health issues yet consume those devils known as carbs and fruit?
If you don't have any health problems, including weight, why would you change your diet? I think you're missing the point. Many people switch to a keto diet to address serious health issues and for many, it works.
Agree 100%. Its a diet that does wonders to address issues.
Post by: Mudman on March 23, 2021, 02:55:13 PM
Thats me... Or was but getting close to 50 now and things are changing. Better diet is better feeling. Easier to add on 10lbs now. Joints get little stiff. Energy drops sometimes. etc. But when I do Keto I feel amazing in comparison to not keto. Inflamation and energy, alertness all are improved. Be it Keto or the diet it is real and worth doing if needed and good to try if healthy n young imop. It is all about our DIET in the end. R wat Ya eat. :tup:No hypocrisy here. I reversed my insulin resistance by doing the opposite of what these established and respected medical establishments would have me do. And there's plenty of other people like myself reversing their metabolic issues by following a ketogenic diet. We would not have this success if we were to follow the standard American diet.
There's lots of profit and vacations for big pharm and doctors who keep their patients on insulin and other drugs for things which can successfully be treated with a keto diet.
What about all the people who don't have to take insulin or other drugs and don't follow keto? Those who don't have health issues yet consume those devils known as carbs and fruit?
Post by: KFhunter on March 23, 2021, 07:47:13 PM
Almost decided to skip today all together but wanna get OMAD adjusted better, then think about it.
This might be a game changer, no worry about cooking on a mountian, no packing mt house meals, cooker or anything weighing me down. Just water, and a lot less of that too.
Sweat less, move easier, no bloated up, no inflammation
Post by: Stein on March 23, 2021, 10:59:37 PM
I do know I have lifted my heaviest and ran my fastest of my life on really low carb.
I’m also fairly confident it’s not the same for everyone. I tried carnivore and crashed, not for me. I tried high carb for 10 years and failed. The only way I thrived was with an open mind and giving each theory an honest trial.
Other than the FDA pyramid, you can find someone on the planet doing well on almost any diet. Genes and history matter as does age.
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Post by: trophyhunt on March 24, 2021, 06:20:16 AM
Post by: Cougartail on March 24, 2021, 07:08:57 AM
On the gout issue:
It's a fact that vegans have higher body PH than people who eat meat. As you raise the PH of your body so do you it's ability to carry uric acid out of it.
No gout sufferer will have a gout flare from eating to much of most fruits and vegetables and most will have a flare up from to much meat.
In most fruits and vegetables the nutrients like vitamin C and magnesium far outweigh the effects of increased carbs.
In 20 plus years of battling it I've read, tried, and tested most theories. If I eat to much meat my urine PH drops and my gout flares.
Since this is the internet I'm sure one video clip from one guy who doesn't have gout (?) outweighs my research. lol
Post by: Cougartail on March 24, 2021, 07:17:47 AM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 24, 2021, 07:22:48 AM
Eating the Keto diet lowers your bodies PH and increases levels of uric acid and other compounds. Never do Keto if you have gout! It also increases your chance of diabetes and kidney failure.WROOOOOOONG :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: ALL diabetics are TOLD to eat keto!
I'm not a doctor but I've played one in my younger years with some gals..
Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 24, 2021, 07:24:36 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 24, 2021, 07:27:09 AM
Big milestone today, after 2 months of keto (but stricter), DR took me off insulin and cut my meds in half :rockin: :rockin: :rockin: :rockin:Way to take responsibility for your health, KC. The insulin news is exceptional. Is a Keto KC BBQ sauce in our future? I'd buy it.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 24, 2021, 07:39:07 AM
In the works :drool:Big milestone today, after 2 months of keto (but stricter), DR took me off insulin and cut my meds in half :rockin: :rockin: :rockin: :rockin:Way to take responsibility for your health, KC. The insulin news is exceptional. Is a Keto KC BBQ sauce in our future? I'd buy it.
Post by: Cougartail on March 24, 2021, 07:43:00 AM
[/quote]https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23543594/
You are wrong.. Type 2 diabetes risk goes up with high uric acid.
If you have gout and diabetes and your doctor tells you to go on a Keto diet he is a moron.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 24, 2021, 08:23:10 AM
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23543594/
You are wrong.. Type 2 diabetes risk goes up with high uric acid.
If you have gout and diabetes and your doctor tells you to go on a Keto diet he is a moron.
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There's no mention of diabetes in the article you linked. But there is in this one. I'm just happy that KC is getting his diabetes under control.
"A 2012 study found that people experience an increased risk of gout when they first enter into ketosis due to an increase in uric acid levels. However, the risk is short-term and improves once your body adapts to being in ketosis."
https://www.healthline.com/health/gout/keto-and-gout#:~:text=Does%20it%20increase%20the%20risk,breaks%20down%20into%20uric%20acid.
Post by: bobcat on March 24, 2021, 08:31:04 AM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 24, 2021, 08:39:00 AM
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23543594/
You are wrong.. Type 2 diabetes risk goes up with high uric acid.
If you have gout and diabetes and your doctor tells you to go on a Keto diet he is a moron.
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I said diabetes, not gout and diabetes :tup:
Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 24, 2021, 08:40:53 AM
would that be "Light Kracker Sauce"? :chuckle:Big milestone today, after 2 months of keto (but stricter), DR took me off insulin and cut my meds in half :rockin: :rockin: :rockin: :rockin:Way to take responsibility for your health, KC. The insulin news is exceptional. Is a Keto KC BBQ sauce in our future? I'd buy it.
Post by: vandeman17 on March 24, 2021, 08:45:08 AM
My favorite doctor on YouTube, Dr. Berry, calls keto "the proper human diet." And I have to agree with him. Everybody should be doing the keto diet. Sure would cut down on the need for doctors! The majority of health issues today are caused by or made worse due to high glucose levels in the blood. Diabetes, heart attacks, strokes, Alzheimer's, dementia, cancer, arthritis, kidney failure, etc. A ketogenic diet is the key to reducing blood glucose levels.I go back to one of my earlier posts in that a blanket statement that everybody should be on the keto diet is false. I am not on it and actually eat a bunch of carbs daily. I don't have a high glucose level in my blood and am very healthy unless my blood work is lying. Reducing blood glucose levels can and is done in various fashions, keto included. There are different ways to skin a cat and its up to the person to decide what works best for them. :twocents:
Post by: bobcat on March 24, 2021, 08:45:25 AM
Post by: bobcat on March 24, 2021, 08:47:25 AM
My favorite doctor on YouTube, Dr. Berry, calls keto "the proper human diet." And I have to agree with him. Everybody should be doing the keto diet. Sure would cut down on the need for doctors! The majority of health issues today are caused by or made worse due to high glucose levels in the blood. Diabetes, heart attacks, strokes, Alzheimer's, dementia, cancer, arthritis, kidney failure, etc. A ketogenic diet is the key to reducing blood glucose levels.I go back to one of my earlier posts in that a blanket statement that everybody should be on the keto diet is false. I am not on it and actually eat a bunch of carbs daily. I don't have a high glucose level in my blood and am very healthy unless my blood work is lying. Reducing blood glucose levels can and is done in various fashions, keto included. There are different ways to skin a cat and its up to the person to decide what works best for them. :twocents:
Well, maybe your carbohydrate intake is mostly from real foods such as vegetables and not from highly processed foods. Carbs aren't so bad if they're the right ones.
Post by: vandeman17 on March 24, 2021, 08:51:59 AM
My favorite doctor on YouTube, Dr. Berry, calls keto "the proper human diet." And I have to agree with him. Everybody should be doing the keto diet. Sure would cut down on the need for doctors! The majority of health issues today are caused by or made worse due to high glucose levels in the blood. Diabetes, heart attacks, strokes, Alzheimer's, dementia, cancer, arthritis, kidney failure, etc. A ketogenic diet is the key to reducing blood glucose levels.I go back to one of my earlier posts in that a blanket statement that everybody should be on the keto diet is false. I am not on it and actually eat a bunch of carbs daily. I don't have a high glucose level in my blood and am very healthy unless my blood work is lying. Reducing blood glucose levels can and is done in various fashions, keto included. There are different ways to skin a cat and its up to the person to decide what works best for them. :twocents:
Well, maybe your carbohydrate intake is mostly from real foods such as vegetables and not from highly processed foods. Carbs aren't so bad if they're the right ones.
Precisely and that has been my main thing in all this. Its all about knowing what you are putting into your bodies and how it effects your health. I will hand it to people on keto, I couldn't do it. I hammer through potatoes, rice, whole grains and all that but I also do it intelligently. I plan out my meals, pre cook them for the week and make sure the sources I get my nutrients from are the quality I need.
America is a lazy society and doesn't give a dang about their health. They would much rather take a pill then make the effort to actual address the root cause of their issues. Covid wouldn't have been half as deadly in the US if people even gave half as much of a rip about their health as all the people posting on this thread.
Post by: bornhunter on March 24, 2021, 08:53:14 AM
Big milestone today, after 2 months of keto (but stricter), DR took me off insulin and cut my meds in half :rockin: :rockin: :rockin: :rockin:
:tup: :tup: :tup:
Post by: bobcat on March 24, 2021, 09:00:35 AM
My favorite doctor on YouTube, Dr. Berry, calls keto "the proper human diet." And I have to agree with him. Everybody should be doing the keto diet. Sure would cut down on the need for doctors! The majority of health issues today are caused by or made worse due to high glucose levels in the blood. Diabetes, heart attacks, strokes, Alzheimer's, dementia, cancer, arthritis, kidney failure, etc. A ketogenic diet is the key to reducing blood glucose levels.I go back to one of my earlier posts in that a blanket statement that everybody should be on the keto diet is false. I am not on it and actually eat a bunch of carbs daily. I don't have a high glucose level in my blood and am very healthy unless my blood work is lying. Reducing blood glucose levels can and is done in various fashions, keto included. There are different ways to skin a cat and its up to the person to decide what works best for them. :twocents:
Well, maybe your carbohydrate intake is mostly from real foods such as vegetables and not from highly processed foods. Carbs aren't so bad if they're the right ones.
Precisely and that has been my main thing in all this. Its all about knowing what you are putting into your bodies and how it effects your health. I will hand it to people on keto, I couldn't do it. I hammer through potatoes, rice, whole grains and all that but I also do it intelligently. I plan out my meals, pre cook them for the week and make sure the sources I get my nutrients from are the quality I need.
America is a lazy society and doesn't give a dang about their health. They would much rather take a pill then make the effort to actual address the root cause of their issues. Covid wouldn't have been half as deadly in the US if people even gave half as much of a rip about their health as all the people posting on this thread.
The thing that I never knew until recently is that those carbs you're eating, the rice, potatoes, and grains, immediately turns to sugar as soon as you eat them. This is why it's so important for someone with insulin resistance or full blown diabetes to quit eating those things. You're young enough and exercise enough that it's not an issue for you.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 24, 2021, 09:37:46 AM
Post by: Buckhunter24 on March 24, 2021, 09:43:33 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 24, 2021, 09:48:29 AM
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22676161/
https://www.healthline.com/health/gout/keto-and-gout#:~:text=Does%20it%20increase%20the%20risk,breaks%20down%20into%20uric%20acid.
"A 2012 study found that people experience an increased risk of gout when they first enter into ketosis due to an increase in uric acid levels. However, the risk is short-term and improves once your body adapts to being in ketosis.
Can it help prevent gout?
No. The available research suggests that the keto diet may help target the source of the inflammation to prevent acute symptoms of gout. But it hasn’t been shown to prevent the condition."
Post by: bobcat on March 24, 2021, 09:54:33 AM
That's about it, other than a few more vegetables for my salads. But I'm getting away from the salads now and going to more of a mostly carnivore diet.
It doesn't need to be complicated or expensive. It's especially nice if you have a freezer full of deer and/or elk meat.
Post by: bornhunter on March 24, 2021, 09:57:46 AM
Post by: bobcat on March 24, 2021, 10:04:07 AM
What about all the cholesterol in these foods?
Cholesterol is not a bad thing. That's another one of the lies our doctors tell us.
Post by: KFhunter on March 24, 2021, 10:28:47 AM
and I don't even want one of the nasty things..
THAT would not have happened before keto, I'd be on my 2nd or 3rd by now.
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Post by: KFhunter on March 24, 2021, 10:30:16 AM
I keep it simple. Lots of ground meat, steaks, canned sardines and canned salmon, chicken legs/thighs, bacon and eggs, cheddar cheese, avacados, mushrooms, beef liver, onions, pork chops. Oh, and lots of butter and cream.I got a bunch of pork.
That's about it, other than a few more vegetables for my salads. But I'm getting away from the salads now and going to more of a mostly carnivore diet.
It doesn't need to be complicated or expensive. It's especially nice if you have a freezer full of deer and/or elk meat.
But I raised it on good feed
Carnivore worthy?
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Post by: MountainWalk on March 24, 2021, 10:42:04 AM
When I get back to camp, it's mainly meat, greens and grain. Lots of wild rice and ice cream!
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 24, 2021, 10:59:37 AM
What about all the cholesterol in these foods?Your body processes Cholesterol along with fats. It breaks it down in your bloodstream. Most commonly, LDLs are elevated but the important measurement there is a particle size of =<1. Particle size of =>2 is where you get in trouble. This is called the LDL particle measurement and should be ordered with standard blood tests. Some plans won't cover it because it's an expensive test.
Post by: Cougartail on March 24, 2021, 11:12:34 AM
Post by: KFhunter on March 24, 2021, 02:22:51 PM
So glad I'm not trying to loose weight like that.
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Post by: bobcat on March 24, 2021, 02:41:54 PM
My co-worker just nuked a lean cuisine meal.
So glad I'm not trying to loose weight like that.
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That's like a starvation diet. One of those diets where you lose a lot of weight at first, but then gain it back plus some.
Post by: KFhunter on March 24, 2021, 02:43:40 PM
My since of smells that trigger hunger is changing.
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Post by: bornhunter on March 24, 2021, 04:23:07 PM
:tup:What about all the cholesterol in these foods?Your body processes Cholesterol along with fats. It breaks it down in your bloodstream. Most commonly, LDLs are elevated but the important measurement there is a particle size of =<1. Particle size of =>2 is where you get in trouble. This is called the LDL particle measurement and should be ordered with standard blood tests. Some plans won't cover it because it's an expensive test.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 25, 2021, 07:44:12 AM
? I just threw up a little :puke:
Post by: actionshooter on March 25, 2021, 05:35:35 PM
Monday morning I stated with a keto book and meauring food and the whole works... 299# have not gone over 30carbs/day. Can't believe how fast the hunger cravings went away.
This afternoon I jumped on the scale and it said 291.5... might be just a fluke because I could swing 3# a day either way at any given day... but wow, got my attention.
Thanks guys!
Post by: bobcat on March 25, 2021, 05:53:48 PM
Isn't it great? I love only having to eat once a day.
Never have measured my food though, or kept track of carbs. But most days lately my goal is zero carbs. If all you eat is meat and eggs carbs aren't an issue.
Post by: KFhunter on March 25, 2021, 06:11:08 PM
So I decide to go all in... had been cutting back on carbs for 2-3 weeks and not much was happening. Hadn't read much about it and was doing a few things wrong like drinking milk and cheating here and there.
Monday morning I stated with a keto book and meauring food and the whole works... 299# have not gone over 30carbs/day. Can't believe how fast the hunger cravings went away.
This afternoon I jumped on the scale and it said 291.5... might be just a fluke because I could swing 3# a day either way at any given day... but wow, got my attention.
Thanks guys!
Most of that immediate weight loss is water.
When you eat carbs your body carries more water than it does with keto.
Good luck with your journey!
Post by: KFhunter on March 25, 2021, 06:18:28 PM
Oh yeah, definitely no milk. And no fruit or fruit juice.Kinda liberating isn't it.
Isn't it great? I love only having to eat once a day.
Never have measured my food though, or kept track of carbs. But most days lately my goal is zero carbs. If all you eat is meat and eggs carbs aren't an issue.
I worked outside all day on chores and I'm not all stove up and sore with inflammation.
Before keto my back would be killing me right now and I'd be hunched over walking like a 90 year old man.
I didn't come in and drink a gallon of ice tea, dig through the fridge or look for leftovers or snacks.
I didn't have to screw around making breakfast or lunch from scratch because we don't buy pre-made foods, I never have ate processed ready made foods.
I had one Gatorade zero that I dilute 50% with water and that's it, since 24 hours ago.
Plus straight water.
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Post by: KFhunter on March 25, 2021, 06:21:19 PM
Prolly missing something mineral wise but dunno what.
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Post by: Timberstalker on March 25, 2021, 07:04:45 PM
I’m a believer as well and it’s helped me totally eliminate a terrible case of silent acid reflux that damn near killed me.
It’s easy to cook for and really I have no complaints.
Post by: gutsnthegrass on March 26, 2021, 10:28:45 AM
Post by: bearhunter99 on March 26, 2021, 11:35:09 AM
I'm sure I could look this up, but can you eat vegetables on the KETO diet? I would have a hard time not eating broccoli, green beans, brussell sprouts ect...
Most vegetables are fairly low carb except root vegetables. Potatoes are a big no-no as they have a ton of carbs and starch. There are a few root vegetables that are still low carb like turnips and rutebagas (still have to be eaten in moderation at 8g and 12g carb per cup so it can be tough to stay under 50g of carbs). There are quite a few charts that can show what vegetables are good and bad. I eat a lot of broccoli, green beans and Brussel sprouts in moderation. They are all lower carb vegetables (broccoli is 2g net carbs per cup and the other two are around 4g net per cup)
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 26, 2021, 11:40:14 AM
I'm sure I could look this up, but can you eat vegetables on the KETO diet? I would have a hard time not eating broccoli, green beans, brussell sprouts ect...
Most vegetables are fairly low carb except root vegetables. Potatoes are a big no-no as they have a ton of carbs and starch. There are a few root vegetables that are still low carb like turnips and rutebagas. There are quite a few charts that can show what vegetables are good and bad. I eat a lot of broccoli, green beans and Brussel sprouts in moderation. They are all lower carb vegetables (broccoli is 2g net carbs per cup and the other two are around 4g net per cup)
Vegetables with brighter colors like red, orange, and yellow, are usually higher in carbs - tomatoes, carrots, bell peppers, etc. It is a good idea to download a chart which shows the number of carbs per serving of anything you eat. Surprisingly, most nuts are fairly high in carbs. Crackers made from nuts are touted as keto friendly, but when you read the nutritional info, you'll find that you will max out your daily carb limit with a large handful of them. Even keto treats have carbs.
Post by: Stein on March 26, 2021, 12:05:49 PM
Unlimited - any salad/leafy stuff, broccoli, cauliflower (particularly riced)
Careful/limited - onions, tomatoes, peppers, salsa, carrots
Nuts I measure (handful) because I can crush a ton without thinking about it. I usually do unsalted raw pecans because they are lower in carbs and the raw are less appetizing so I'm not tempted to eat more. I do one serving a day, about 28 grams or a handful. Sometimes I do other nuts more of a treat, but also only a handful of those.
There are other veggies that work, but I like simplicity 90% of the time. Once you look it up and do it for a couple weeks you get an understanding of where the carbs are coming from and it gets easier. Like I said, I don't track so I don't know (or really care) how many carbs a day I get. In my mind, I don't really care if I'm in ketosis or not but some do. The more exercise you do, the more carbs you can eat and still be in ketosis from my experience.
Post by: KFhunter on March 26, 2021, 06:26:10 PM
nuts will stop the scale from going down, too easy to consume way too many calories!
Post by: Mudman on March 26, 2021, 07:53:11 PM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 26, 2021, 08:13:38 PM
Changed my life and I’m not exaggerating.
Post by: mallard on March 26, 2021, 11:26:58 PM
For those interested in a resource, I've enjoyed following Dr. Daniel Pompa. He has a book called Beyond Fasting that incorporates keto, diet variation, intermittent fasting, feast/famine cycling, and extended fasting. Some of these techniques were mention earlier in this thread. He's also on YouTube.
Mentioned but not discussed is the importance of autophagy. Simply put, autophagy eats/removes "bad" cellular debris. Bad cells can lead to all sorts of health problems. Cellular renewal happens when bad cells are removed and new cells produced. Plenty of testimonies out there on old injuries/issues being healed through higher levels of autophagy.
Not mentioned, but I've found using a glucose/ketone meter helpful in tracking my glucose ketone index (GKI). That's a fancy term for level of ketosis. I can tell which foods help, which ones hurt, and how much of something I can have specific to me and my diet. I use the Keto-Mojo brand - no affiliation. I've learned that for me after three days of fasting my body goes into serious ketosis. Your mileage may vary.
Coincidentally to this thread, I happen to be going into day four of a fast. Current GKI levels are 0.7, which anything <1 is often defined as the highest level of therapeutic ketosis. I have a recent injury I'm going to help the healing process.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 27, 2021, 06:53:51 AM
This morning 275
Obviously Keto is useless :chuckle: :chuckle:
only another 95 lbs to go!
Post by: Mudman on March 27, 2021, 08:01:39 AM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 27, 2021, 02:10:50 PM
Great thread... I will add I dont really believe in "diets". I never have done diet thing. Keto I do not consider a "diet". Keto to me is a lifestyle choice. A natural way to live so to speak. I think biologicaly we are a keto type species much like many animals are as well. A Bear for example. There is a reason we have a liver to do Keto. imop.correct its not, its a complete lifestyle change, doing it temp will not last.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 27, 2021, 07:20:37 PM
Post by: Stein on March 27, 2021, 07:40:30 PM
Post by: rtspring on March 27, 2021, 07:40:45 PM
My go to is just about any meat and greens cooked on my Traeger...
Post by: goldenhtr on March 27, 2021, 08:59:42 PM
mmm a big smoked angus beef patty, cheese, A1 sauce, mayo, bacon, pickles all wrapped in green leaf lettuce with a side of sauteed asparagus. ya keto is gross :cue: :EAT: :drool:
Found Keto Hamburger buns and loaf bread at walmart, alittle pricey at 5.00 for each but what a game changer. I really can't tell a difference.
Post by: KFhunter on March 27, 2021, 09:03:58 PM
I used to buy a lot of keto substitutes trying to eat as normal as possible, then now I'm like screw it just eat keto once per day and be done w it.
Post by: actionshooter on March 27, 2021, 09:05:43 PM
mmm a big smoked angus beef patty, cheese, A1 sauce, mayo, bacon, pickles all wrapped in green leaf lettuce with a side of sauteed asparagus. ya keto is gross :cue: :EAT: :drool:
Found Keto Hamburger buns and loaf bread at walmart, alittle pricey at 5.00 for each but what a game changer. I really can't tell a difference.
I had homemade pizza tonight with cauliflower crust... 8 carbs.. I am getting used to this pretty fast LOL
Post by: spin05 on March 28, 2021, 05:34:10 AM
Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 28, 2021, 07:22:29 AM
Post by: Mudman on March 28, 2021, 09:16:58 AM
All right you all have Convinced me. I turn 55 on Monday. Need to shed 20-30lbs of covid weight. So will start right after i splurge for a good carb meal on my birthday or possibly after Easter since we have family up. Weigh 187lbs now. Shooting for 160lbs. Got lots of info printed out to guide me:tup: 5-7 weeks you will be there. 4-6lb weekly loss is my experiences. I did 18lb in 3 weeks last year. FYI Keto hamburger buns taste better than keto bread imop.
Post by: Rutnbuxnbulls on March 28, 2021, 11:56:59 AM
Post by: KFhunter on March 28, 2021, 01:01:10 PM
Thought my back was bad, turns out it was just too much angry inflation.
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Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 29, 2021, 08:57:50 PM
The biggest thing I've noticed is I don't get all stove up if I'm working in the shop or something, especially bent over working on a project low height.I hate when my back inflates :chuckle:
Thought my back was bad, turns out it was just too much angry inflation.
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Post by: bornhunter on March 29, 2021, 09:33:22 PM
Post by: Stein on March 29, 2021, 09:41:38 PM
I want to get started but not until I find keto beer! :IBCOOL:
Norcal Margarita. Two shots of tequilla, juice from two limes and club soda. Most hard liquor is not horrible for low carb or keto, it's just the bag of chips and half pizza that usually follows.
Post by: bornhunter on March 29, 2021, 09:44:54 PM
I want to get started but not until I find keto beer! :IBCOOL:
Norcal Margarita. Two shots of tequilla, juice from two limes and club soda. Most hard liquor is not horrible for low carb or keto, it's just the bag of chips and half pizza that usually follows.
I didnt need to know this. Now I have no excuse :tup:
Post by: birddogdad on March 30, 2021, 06:53:39 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 30, 2021, 07:14:43 AM
What are these "dangers" you speak of birddogdad?
Post by: Stein on March 30, 2021, 08:38:24 AM
For keto, the paradox is that if being in ketosis is beneficial, why have the Inuit (who are the poster child for the keto or carnivore diet and have been for a really long time) developed a genetic trait that prevents them from ever going into ketosis? The only answer I can find is that nobody knows. Maybe it's to prevent them from being in ketosis basically permanently, maybe it's just a genetic coincidence and maybe its for another reason. Doctors on both sides offer guesses, but that's all it really is, a guess that reinforces their belief going in. I haven't heard of anyone legitimately trying to find out why that is.
There is also sometimes confusion between dietary ketosis and diabetic ketoacidosis. I had a doctor freaked out once because he didn't know you could be in ketosis and was only aware of the latter life threatening condition.
Post by: whackmaster on March 30, 2021, 08:53:01 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on March 30, 2021, 08:58:21 AM
Are your results good?
Basically a vegan diet isn’t it?
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 30, 2021, 11:35:01 AM
In my opinion, the jury is still out on how good or bad it might be to be in ketosis for long periods of time. Every diet I know of has one or more paradox issues. With the low fat diet, the paradox is if fat is bad then why are fats like salmon, olive oil, grass fed butter and nuts so healthy and proven protective against heart disease and all cause mortality?
For keto, the paradox is that if being in ketosis is beneficial, why have the Inuit (who are the poster child for the keto or carnivore diet and have been for a really long time) developed a genetic trait that prevents them from ever going into ketosis? The only answer I can find is that nobody knows. Maybe it's to prevent them from being in ketosis basically permanently, maybe it's just a genetic coincidence and maybe its for another reason. Doctors on both sides offer guesses, but that's all it really is, a guess that reinforces their belief going in. I haven't heard of anyone legitimately trying to find out why that is.
There is also sometimes confusion between dietary ketosis and diabetic ketoacidosis. I had a doctor freaked out once because he didn't know you could be in ketosis and was only aware of the latter life threatening condition.
Species evolve to adapt to their environments. The difficulty of the Inuit to achieve ketosis may be related to the fact that they've evolved with the need for extra fat just to survive. :dunno:
Post by: MountainWalk on March 30, 2021, 11:41:30 AM
Post by: h20hunter on March 30, 2021, 11:46:39 AM
Post by: Stein on March 30, 2021, 11:57:45 AM
The Inuit one is particularly interesting to me. The CPT-1A deficiency they have is only found in the arctic and virtually all of them have it which hints that it might have more to do with that environment rather than the diet. I think most native people spent considerable time in ketosis as getting large amounts of carbs in the wild is not all that easy, particularly during the winter.
The other odd thing about the deficiency is that it increases the odds of going hypoglycemic during fasting and greatly increases infant fatality which obviously are negative aspects, so whatever the benefit is it must be pretty big to outweigh the negatives and be almost universally present.
I agree, one guess could be that nature is forcing them to hold more bodyfat which would be a benefit when living in the arctic.
Post by: Mudman on March 30, 2021, 12:00:01 PM
Post by: KFhunter on March 30, 2021, 12:05:17 PM
Do you know of any other human "evolvements" of body? Just curious. The fact about the Inuit and Inuipaq interest me.High altitude people of the alps?
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Post by: trophyhunt on March 30, 2021, 12:06:16 PM
I want to get started but not until I find keto beer! :IBCOOL:I mostly drink whiskey but when camping or when I feel like it, I drink Coors light. It has more carbs than Michelob ultra but at least Coors has some flavor.
Post by: KFhunter on March 30, 2021, 12:07:04 PM
Lots of genetic switches regarding diet. Being able to digest milk, likely carb tolerances and other things I think we are just beginning to understand. Genetic differences result in different metabolisms as well as the propensity to store fat, build muscle.How's that relate to alcohol consumption and the banning of alcohol in most villages
The Inuit one is particularly interesting to me. The CPT-1A deficiency they have is only found in the arctic and virtually all of them have it which hints that it might have more to do with that environment rather than the diet. I think most native people spent considerable time in ketosis as getting large amounts of carbs in the wild is not all that easy, particularly during the winter.
The other odd thing about the deficiency is that it increases the odds of going hypoglycemic during fasting and greatly increases infant fatality which obviously are negative aspects, so whatever the benefit is it must be pretty big to outweigh the negatives and be almost universally present.
I agree, one guess could be that nature is forcing them to hold more bodyfat which would be a benefit when living in the arctic.
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Post by: pianoman9701 on March 30, 2021, 12:09:14 PM
In my opinion, the jury is still out on how good or bad it might be to be in ketosis for long periods of time. Every diet I know of has one or more paradox issues. With the low fat diet, the paradox is if fat is bad then why are fats like salmon, olive oil, grass fed butter and nuts so healthy and proven protective against heart disease and all cause mortality?
For keto, the paradox is that if being in ketosis is beneficial, why have the Inuit (who are the poster child for the keto or carnivore diet and have been for a really long time) developed a genetic trait that prevents them from ever going into ketosis? The only answer I can find is that nobody knows. Maybe it's to prevent them from being in ketosis basically permanently, maybe it's just a genetic coincidence and maybe its for another reason. Doctors on both sides offer guesses, but that's all it really is, a guess that reinforces their belief going in. I haven't heard of anyone legitimately trying to find out why that is.
There is also sometimes confusion between dietary ketosis and diabetic ketoacidosis. I had a doctor freaked out once because he didn't know you could be in ketosis and was only aware of the latter life threatening condition.
Species evolve to adapt to their environments. The difficulty of the Inuit to achieve ketosis may be related to the fact that they've evolved with the need for extra fat just to survive. :dunno:
One example would be the Tibetans' bodies which have adapted to surviving in high altitude environments, many thousands of feet higher than that which we flatlanders can survive.
Post by: MountainWalk on March 30, 2021, 12:12:51 PM
Post by: KFhunter on March 30, 2021, 12:13:47 PM
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Post by: Stein on March 30, 2021, 12:17:24 PM
But in that instance, what is evolved?
A genetic mutation that prevents their liver from breaking down fatty acids into glucose and ketones. They literally are unable to produce ketones.
"Evolution" is basically mutations in genes over time that change the species.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 30, 2021, 12:18:07 PM
But in that instance, what is evolved?
The people in this region experience haemoglobin concentration at high altitudes. You or I do not.
Post by: pianoman9701 on March 30, 2021, 12:22:54 PM
Do you know of any other human "evolvements" of body? Just curious. The fact about the Inuit and Inuipaq interest me.High altitude people of the alps?
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They may experience the same haemoglobin concentration at high altitudes. IDK :dunno:
Post by: bobcat on March 30, 2021, 12:23:26 PM
i think i read somewhere that coming OFF keto has several dangers to you ...
Yes, that is correct. If you stop keto you have a higher risk of diabetes, stroke, arthritis, metabolic syndrome, cancer, fatty liver, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, and many other things.
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Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 31, 2021, 09:33:26 AM
I want to get started but not until I find keto beer! :IBCOOL:there are plenty, but they are all seltzer beer.
Post by: Kc_Kracker on March 31, 2021, 09:34:39 AM
soooooooo back to normal? :chuckle:i think i read somewhere that coming OFF keto has several dangers to you ...
Yes, that is correct. If you stop keto you have a higher risk of diabetes, stroke, arthritis, metabolic syndrome, cancer, fatty liver, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, and many other things.
Post by: bearhunter99 on March 31, 2021, 09:50:56 AM
soooooooo back to normal? :chuckle:i think i read somewhere that coming OFF keto has several dangers to you ...
Yes, that is correct. If you stop keto you have a higher risk of diabetes, stroke, arthritis, metabolic syndrome, cancer, fatty liver, Parkinson's, Alzheimer's, and many other things.
Basically, but that is only if it is a return to a high carb diet. Those I know have gone from Keto to a low carb diet and have not seen those effects.
Post by: dutchmanaz on April 02, 2021, 12:56:53 PM
Post by: Stein on April 02, 2021, 01:31:28 PM
That is true for most other methods as well.
I would say a better indicator is strength, if you as strong or stronger than before it is what most people really care about. That and big guns of course. Lifting weights is the best way to preserve muscle from anything I read, regardless of how you lose the weight.
Post by: vandeman17 on April 02, 2021, 01:45:25 PM
Post by: mallard on April 02, 2021, 11:28:29 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 03, 2021, 07:15:08 AM
Cronometer... like a watch? Or cronometer the app? The cronometer app allows you to connect to smart devices, like watches or a glucose/ketone meter.
An app that tracks micronutrients. Most people just think about and track macro nutrients (p,c,f) but it’s helpful to also see what micronutrients you are lacking or getting too much of in your diet
Post by: Kc_Kracker on April 03, 2021, 08:27:29 AM
I'm curious if anyone on the Keto diet for a good while has ever had a weight loss analysis done? Meaning, has anyone determined from where the weight is lost? Was fat the primary loss? How much muscle loss vs fat loss etc. I'd expect more fat than muscle, but honestly don't know.:chuckle: Its cutting carbs, not starving yourself, there would be no reason for your body to burn muscle.
Post by: bobcat on April 03, 2021, 08:49:49 AM
Post by: KFhunter on April 03, 2021, 09:03:48 AM
Just got back into my 36 jeans, from a tight 37 prolly should be 38 jeans
I'll be ecstatic to get to 32!
Haven't seen 32 waist since 10th grade
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Post by: Stein on April 03, 2021, 11:28:19 AM
Some eating keto fast and some don’t.
If you fast long enough you will get into keto regardless of what you were eating before, usually within 2 days if not sooner.
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Post by: vandeman17 on April 03, 2021, 12:07:48 PM
I've never tracked anything. That's why I love the keto way of eating. Tracking is not necessary. If you like to eat a lot of carbs it might be necessary, but I pretty much go for zero carbs, but I do get some when I eat my salads. Whatever I'm doing it's working. Down nearly 50 pounds, and waist went from 36 inches to 32.
It has nothing to do with carbs, it is more about seeing if your body is getting the micronutrients it needs to be healthy long term. There is way more to a healthy body then what you weigh. :twocents:
Post by: bobcat on April 03, 2021, 12:15:10 PM
I've never tracked anything. That's why I love the keto way of eating. Tracking is not necessary. If you like to eat a lot of carbs it might be necessary, but I pretty much go for zero carbs, but I do get some when I eat my salads. Whatever I'm doing it's working. Down nearly 50 pounds, and waist went from 36 inches to 32.
It has nothing to do with carbs, it is more about seeing if your body is getting the micronutrients it needs to be healthy long term. There is way more to a healthy body then what you weigh. :twocents:
It is about the carbs. Because there's no such thing as an essential carb. We don't need any carbs whatsoever. The keto diet is all about limiting carbs. That's how you get into ketosis and start burning body fat.
Post by: vandeman17 on April 03, 2021, 12:18:35 PM
I've never tracked anything. That's why I love the keto way of eating. Tracking is not necessary. If you like to eat a lot of carbs it might be necessary, but I pretty much go for zero carbs, but I do get some when I eat my salads. Whatever I'm doing it's working. Down nearly 50 pounds, and waist went from 36 inches to 32.
It has nothing to do with carbs, it is more about seeing if your body is getting the micronutrients it needs to be healthy long term. There is way more to a healthy body then what you weigh. :twocents:
It is about the carbs. Because there's no such thing as an essential carb. We don't need any carbs whatsoever. The keto diet is all about limiting carbs. That's how you get into ketosis and start burning body fat.
So vitamins and minerals mean nothing to your body?
Post by: bobcat on April 03, 2021, 12:21:29 PM
I've never tracked anything. That's why I love the keto way of eating. Tracking is not necessary. If you like to eat a lot of carbs it might be necessary, but I pretty much go for zero carbs, but I do get some when I eat my salads. Whatever I'm doing it's working. Down nearly 50 pounds, and waist went from 36 inches to 32.
It has nothing to do with carbs, it is more about seeing if your body is getting the micronutrients it needs to be healthy long term. There is way more to a healthy body then what you weigh. :twocents:
It is about the carbs. Because there's no such thing as an essential carb. We don't need any carbs whatsoever. The keto diet is all about limiting carbs. That's how you get into ketosis and start burning body fat.
So vitamins and minerals mean nothing to your body?
Yes of course they do. I'm getting a way more nutritious diet now that I'm no longer eating bread, pasta, cereal, potatoes, milk, fruit, etc.
Post by: KFhunter on April 03, 2021, 12:26:09 PM
Keto and fasting are two different things. Keto is what to eat and fasting is when to eat - or not eat.Keto makes fasting easier, eases the transition from glucose to ketones during a fast.
Some eating keto fast and some don’t.
If you fast long enough you will get into keto regardless of what you were eating before, usually within 2 days if not sooner.
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Post by: vandeman17 on April 03, 2021, 12:29:23 PM
I've never tracked anything. That's why I love the keto way of eating. Tracking is not necessary. If you like to eat a lot of carbs it might be necessary, but I pretty much go for zero carbs, but I do get some when I eat my salads. Whatever I'm doing it's working. Down nearly 50 pounds, and waist went from 36 inches to 32.
It has nothing to do with carbs, it is more about seeing if your body is getting the micronutrients it needs to be healthy long term. There is way more to a healthy body then what you weigh. :twocents:
It is about the carbs. Because there's no such thing as an essential carb. We don't need any carbs whatsoever. The keto diet is all about limiting carbs. That's how you get into ketosis and start burning body fat.
So vitamins and minerals mean nothing to your body?
Yes of course they do. I'm getting a way more nutritious diet now that I'm no longer eating bread, pasta, cereal, potatoes, milk, fruit, etc.
That is all I was asking is if people on keto actually checked it. When I was more diligent in my training and nutrition, I was interested to see what micronutrients I was missing with the foods I was eating. I would just be curious to see what the report showed since I have friends that follow keto diet and were lacking a few nutrient s that they now supplement
Post by: KFhunter on April 03, 2021, 12:30:53 PM
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Post by: vandeman17 on April 03, 2021, 12:34:34 PM
do you have lab work done frequently?
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Post by: KFhunter on April 03, 2021, 01:02:04 PM
Tracking intake is one thing, but knowing what they have or lack is another
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Post by: vandeman17 on April 03, 2021, 03:01:12 PM
I keep hearing about macro-micro nutrients and wondering how people know their baselines and what to supplement.
Tracking intake is one thing, but knowing what they have or lack is another
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Besides bloodwork, a simple way to get a general idea is to input a weeks worth of normal food and the amount into a micronutrient chronometer app. I thought I was eating pretty well and I was for the most part but I was pretty low on a few key ones so I read what foods were high in them and added them. My last bloodwork came back that I am meeting all my micro and macro needs. I don’t track my food anymore but I do know the different foods my body needs to hit dietary intake goals
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Post by: vandeman17 on April 03, 2021, 03:36:09 PM
I've been eating lots of sardines, salmon, beef liver, deer, antelope, elk, pork, chicken, bacon, eggs, avacados, and I think that about covers it. Can't imagine I'd be deficient in anything with the good variety of foods I'm eating.
Download a chronometer app and input the foods and the approximate amounts you are eating. It’s pretty easy and will confirm how you are doing.
Post by: Stein on April 03, 2021, 04:25:59 PM
It also doesn't take into account any variability on food source. Factory eggs on the cheapest scratch are considered nutritionally identical to backyard eggs on high quality scratch, bugs, grass and whatever else they round up. Same with other meats and vegetables. I would think this is the place where quality of food really matters? You also can't find stuff like antelope liver in any of the programs I have tried to use. Again, have to assume an antelope liver = a factory beef liver.
I could be wrong (probably am), but it seemed more like some guesses and averages of what people measured had as opposed to what the consumption should be.
I will say the less varied your diet the more likely you could be missing something, particularly as we don't tend to eat the whole animal. I have seen people compare the Eskimo diet with a guy eating Safeway ribeyes 3 x a day. Big difference there for sure.
Post by: KFhunter on April 03, 2021, 04:44:00 PM
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Post by: vandeman17 on April 03, 2021, 04:49:38 PM
Yeah, and why can't we just take a once a day vitamin that has like 1000% of everything?
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That is an option for sure or there might be a food or two that is easy to add that will fill what you are short on
Post by: mallard on April 03, 2021, 05:03:50 PM
When it comes to food choice, Stein is on to something. Livestock feed quickly and soil quality really matter. Example... every year I take soil samples for the garden, and create a custom fertilizer to meet both macro and micro deficiencies. As soil quality continues to improve so does the plant quality. Bigger, healthier, better taste, and higher test results. While not a conclusive test, the refractometer (brix meter) reads higher dissolved concentrations, indicating higher nutritional density. Of what nutrients exactly, I don't know, but it's better than anything I can find in the store.
Post by: vandeman17 on April 03, 2021, 05:16:28 PM
Post by: bobcat on April 03, 2021, 05:44:15 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on April 03, 2021, 05:55:54 PM
Do some research on fish oil. It's supposed to be extremely toxic to your body.
So we aren’t supposed to eat fish?
Post by: bobcat on April 03, 2021, 06:00:18 PM
Do some research on fish oil. It's supposed to be extremely toxic to your body.
So we aren’t supposed to eat fish?
Fish oil supplements is what I was talking about.
Post by: Stein on April 03, 2021, 06:03:36 PM
On another topic, one thing I have noticed is I tend to crave foods seasonally. During the winter I literally can't get enough stews (super rich and heavy) and during the summer I favor lighter foods, fresh fish (mostly raw), salads, blueberries and cherries from the front yard (yeah, a pile of cherries isn't so keto friendly). We have frozen blueberries but during the winter they just don't sound good for some reason. My red meat intake really drops during the summer.
I wonder if that is a way to get more of the trace elements where you pile them in when they are in abundance and we know many are stored long term in your bones and other ways I'm not smart enough to understand?
We do know stuff like healthy (wild) animal liver, joints and ligaments, bones (baitfish), marrow, bone stock, grass fed butter, seafood, kelp and stuff like that are really packed with nutrient and trace minerals and it's almost a certain thing that incorporating more in quantity and variety is a good thing.
Post by: spin05 on April 08, 2021, 11:53:54 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on April 09, 2021, 05:44:20 AM
Post by: spin05 on April 09, 2021, 11:17:44 PM
Before or after you bathroom break? :chuckle:
hahaha i aint took a dump since started it unfortunately, LOL But today is a new day!!!
Post by: KFhunter on April 11, 2021, 09:30:11 AM
Do not do intermittent fasting with a keto diet, then go out for high carb Mexican food.
Post by: actionshooter on April 18, 2021, 09:18:39 PM
Not getting more than 30 carbs a day most of the time 20-25, measuring everything and using Keto charts. Kind of frustrating, but definitely feeling better with more energy, so that make it worth it.
Otherwise kind of bummed.... I have some old sitka pants I would really like to get buttoned up... :)
Post by: bobcat on April 18, 2021, 09:39:47 PM
Post by: mallard on April 18, 2021, 11:12:00 PM
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Post by: spin05 on April 21, 2021, 01:07:54 AM
Post by: actionshooter on April 21, 2021, 04:41:02 PM
The weight plateau you're experiencing is common for a lot of people. I've hit mine before. Diet variation/feast famine cycling could really help. I'll skip the medical jargon, but there are some studies that show diet variation is more important than the diet itself, especially the correlation between abrupt diet shifts (e.g. ADF) and continued weight loss. Bobcat gave an example of diet variation you could try. I've found a 5-1-1 or similar weekly eating pattern works well for me. Five days regular keto/intermitted fasting, one feast day (eat whatever) and one famine day (complete fast) in the same week. You'll have to figure out what works for you. Good luck on your journey.I had read that a cheat day purposely eating carbs in a way tricks the body and when you restart keto weight loss would come faster. I don't know, there is a ton of stuff out there.
On another note, my wife bought some keto ice cream a couple weeks ago and just tried a small bit last night... wasn't to bad.
Post by: cbond3318 on April 21, 2021, 04:52:21 PM
The weight plateau you're experiencing is common for a lot of people. I've hit mine before. Diet variation/feast famine cycling could really help. I'll skip the medical jargon, but there are some studies that show diet variation is more important than the diet itself, especially the correlation between abrupt diet shifts (e.g. ADF) and continued weight loss. Bobcat gave an example of diet variation you could try. I've found a 5-1-1 or similar weekly eating pattern works well for me. Five days regular keto/intermitted fasting, one feast day (eat whatever) and one famine day (complete fast) in the same week. You'll have to figure out what works for you. Good luck on your journey.I had read that a cheat day purposely eating carbs in a way tricks the body and when you restart keto weight loss would come faster. I don't know, there is a ton of stuff out there.
On another note, my wife bought some keto ice cream a couple weeks ago and just tried a small bit last night... wasn't to bad.
Go easy on that stuff it will clean you out pronto! :chuckle:
I had a cheat day Sunday after 4 weeks of strict Keto and hated it, didn’t eat terrible but had some pizza , popcorn and 1/2 a can of soda. This week cravings have been back and felt hungry during the day which I don’t have while on strict keto. I jumped right back in Monday and now today I’m finally feeling content on my meal plan like I was before cheating. I won’t be cheating again.
Down 13lbs in 4 weeks as of Sunday. Better consistent energy during the day, sleeping good. I’m doing strict Keto and it’s easy.
Post by: Stein on April 21, 2021, 04:53:44 PM
Personally, I also find it harder to get back in as well as some of the cravings showing up again. That said, my version of "cheating" is pretty obscene, go big or go home real bad idea stuff.
Several years ago I did Paleo/low carb and almost always had a single cheat meal and that didn't seem to impact anything at all.
The best keto ice cream I have had are the Enlightened ones with the carb number on the front of the carton. Way better texture and flavor than the others.
Post by: mallard on April 22, 2021, 10:12:16 PM
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Go easy on that stuff it will clean you out pronto!Ain't that the truth. :chuckle: Coming out of keto or a fast with carbs can be difficult. Been there.
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I had read that a cheat day purposely eating carbs in a way tricks the body and when you restart keto weight loss would come faster.One thing worth clarifying from my previous post... a feast day does not automatically equal a carb day. It's not that carbs are off limits if you can handle it, but the simplified concept is that by feasting you're communicating to your body that you're not starving (caloric excess). In one of the studies I had in mind previously, they compared high-fat/low-carb and low-fat/high-carb diets eaten consistently (seven day a week) to those same diets mixed with alternate day fasting (ADF). The feast/famine (ADF) cycle produced better weight loss results than the diets alone. The takeaway was that diet variation was important in forcing adaptation.
One of the long term goals I've been working towards is metabolic flexibility (switching between burning carbs and fats easily) so I like to add a few extra carbs. I especially prefer to ride the keto/low-carb line going into hunting season. I've had a few instances in ketosis where I couldn't achieve high intensity activities because my body didn't have readily available carb/glucose fuel. Being able to "power up" on carbs before or during an activity is nice. But on a day to day basis an example would be on Saturday I had my first feast day in awhile. Nachos, tacos, alcohol... all that really tasty high-carb stuff. I didn't eat breakfast Sunday morning and took blood glucose and ketone levels in the afternoon before eating again. The readings told me I was in a moderate level of ketosis, so right back to business. Of course, your mileage may vary.
Post by: grundy53 on May 08, 2021, 07:44:58 AM
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Post by: KFhunter on May 08, 2021, 08:18:51 AM
Switching up diets (carbs vs protein vs fats) is capitalizing on the time it takes to switch over to higher efficiency for a particular diet.
Diarrhea and other unpleasant things are a result of inefficiencies, running the wrong foods through the wrong flora.
I'm not a big fan of diet swapping, I prefer to stick with a diet that I feel best on with the least bloat, the least inflammation, and best energy.
For me that is protien and fats, certian low or no carb green veggies, and intermittent fasting.
If the scale isn't moving enough, fast more.
In the end its still calories in, calories out.
I just feel better maintaining efficiency vs "tricking" my body IE: not allowing it to become efficient.
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 08, 2021, 12:06:18 PM
Post by: spin05 on May 13, 2021, 03:54:04 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on May 13, 2021, 06:12:47 AM
Well im down 18lbs in a month. got 5-10 more to go. Easiest diet ive ever been on. thanks for you guys directionThat is great!! Feels good doesn't it, I'm down 18 as well but I've been on it for a while. If I quit drinking I'd lose a bunch more but, that's not happening!! :chuckle:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 13, 2021, 06:30:47 AM
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Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2021, 07:35:46 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 13, 2021, 09:13:00 AM
Well im down 18lbs in a month. got 5-10 more to go. Easiest diet ive ever been on. thanks for you guys direction
Really well done on your weight loss! :tup: Forewarning: Crashing off the diet causes rapid weight gain, more rapid than it came off. Once you reach your desired goal, remain vigilant about the carbs you add. Very commonly, people end up binging on bread, pasta, sweets, while still eating a high protein, high fat diet. It's a killer combo!
Post by: trophyhunt on May 13, 2021, 09:30:41 AM
What are you drinking besides waterbeer or whiskey!! 😁
Post by: bigdub257 on May 13, 2021, 09:36:35 AM
Question - Do any of you veteran Keto experts recommend any supplements while on this diet? Fiber supplements?
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 13, 2021, 09:38:59 AM
Just starting this and have had some minimal results. Gonna stick with it.BHB supplements hasten ketosis.
Question - Do any of you veteran Keto experts recommend any supplements while on this diet? Fiber supplements?
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2021, 09:54:17 AM
Post by: JBG on May 13, 2021, 01:55:19 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 13, 2021, 02:12:05 PM
Bobcat -- Let me know if I am getting this right . . . you eat only meat and eggs? Have you had any metabolic blood panels since starting this? Whats your cholesterol(bad cholesterol levels are mainly hereditary but it would be an interesting data point none the less) and BP like?
One cholesterol count is LDL, which is expected to rise over "safe" levels on a keto diet. However, in addition to the LDL level, an LDL particle size measurement should also be part of the bloodwork. A value of <1 size measurement contraindicates medication for cholesterol. A measurement of >2 would indicate needed meds and this is the most common for non-keto patients who record an LDL of over 100. Most frequently with Keto diets, the particle size is <1 while the LDL measurement may be well over 150. Statins are still contraindicated with the smaller particles. The LDL particle size measurement is a moderately expensive test and may not be covered by all insurance plans. But before you start taking statins, it's a good idea to know it. Statins are not good for you other than controlling cholesterol. They age you prematurely. They're tough on the liver and kidneys, and may, in fact, weaken the heart.
Post by: KFhunter on May 13, 2021, 02:15:42 PM
Heavy keto diet can load you up with more calories than you can use = fat in the blood
Fasting burns it up, cleans out the blood, and burns your own fat.
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2021, 02:32:10 PM
Post by: vandeman17 on May 13, 2021, 02:54:04 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2021, 02:56:10 PM
High cholesterol is directly linked to heart disease and stroke. I strongly recommend not saying it doesn't matter or is actually good for you.
From a faulty "study" that was done 50 years ago. Your body needs cholesterol. It's a good thing, not a bad thing. Like I said, do some research.
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2021, 02:57:29 PM
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Post by: vandeman17 on May 13, 2021, 03:11:33 PM
High cholesterol is directly linked to heart disease and stroke. I strongly recommend not saying it doesn't matter or is actually good for you.
From a faulty "study" that was done 50 years ago. Your body needs cholesterol. It's a good thing, not a bad thing. Like I said, do some research.
A faulty study?
I will listen to the American Heart Association
https://www.heart.org/en/health-topics/cholesterol/prevention-and-treatment-of-high-cholesterol-hyperlipidemia
Mayo Clinic
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-cholesterol/symptoms-causes/syc-20350800
Healthline
https://www.healthline.com/health/high-cholesterol#ldl-cholesterol
How about going across the pond for some international perspective
https://www.stroke.org.uk/what-is-stroke/are-you-at-risk-of-stroke/high-cholesterol
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2021, 03:13:41 PM
I would recommend this book, (Lies My Doctor Told Me) to dispel all the myths perpetuated by the "trusted" sources:
https://amzn.to/3tJe6Yr
Post by: vandeman17 on May 13, 2021, 03:16:17 PM
https://www.health.harvard.edu/topics/cholesterol
Outdated? There are literally endless studies on this and I have first hand experience in the family but you can believe what you want. Just preaching it as gospel is not right. Go to your doctor and ask him/her if they want you to get your cholesterol levels as high as possible and tell me what they say.
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2021, 03:20:50 PM
Post by: 92xj on May 13, 2021, 03:22:52 PM
You really need to stop putting your trust in doctors. All they care about is not doing anything that will get them sued.
Yep, that is all they care about. :rolleyes:
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2021, 03:23:00 PM
https://amzn.to/2SOoQYR
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2021, 03:25:34 PM
You really need to stop putting your trust in doctors. All they care about is not doing anything that will get them sued.
Yep, that is all they care about. :rolleyes:
I suppose I should have said it's all that some doctors care about. The ones who continue to give bad advice and put their patients on unnecessary medications which only cause their health to get worse.
Post by: 92xj on May 13, 2021, 03:29:56 PM
You really need to stop putting your trust in doctors....and get the book by Dr. Ken Berry
The irony in this statement is mind blowing.
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2021, 03:33:55 PM
Post by: 92xj on May 13, 2021, 03:41:13 PM
I dont care how anyone else eats either. I am pro doctors though as I had a few save my life.
I also don't follow this thread, just happened to accidentally open it from the recent topics section, read your post and had a good laugh.
I eat meat, more than most, and also eat a balanced diet and I don't need the internet to tell me how to do it.
Carry on with the Keto chat
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2021, 03:42:44 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2021, 03:44:47 PM
:tup:
I dont care how anyone else eats either. I am pro doctors though as I had a few save my life.
I also don't follow this thread, just happened to accidentally open it from the recent topics section, read your post and had a good laugh.
I eat meat, more than most, and also eat a balanced diet and I don't need the internet to tell me how to do it.
Carry on with the Keto chat
Yeah, doctors are great when it comes to things like a broken leg, but the majority know very little about proper nutrition.
Post by: Angry Perch on May 13, 2021, 03:51:44 PM
I took a few pictures of pages in Shawn Baker's book, The Carnivore Diet. Hopefully it's readable.
Hey, my waist is smaller than my height, so I'm good! :chuckle:
Post by: Angry Perch on May 13, 2021, 03:52:44 PM
:tup:
I dont care how anyone else eats either. I am pro doctors though as I had a few save my life.
I also don't follow this thread, just happened to accidentally open it from the recent topics section, read your post and had a good laugh.
I eat meat, more than most, and also eat a balanced diet and I don't need the internet to tell me how to do it.
Carry on with the Keto chat
Yeah, doctors are great when it comes to things like a broken leg, but the majority know very little about proper nutrition.
And you believe proper nutrition includes zero plant matter? Do you think that's how early humans ate?
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 13, 2021, 03:53:01 PM
High cholesterol is directly linked to heart disease and stroke. I strongly recommend not saying it doesn't matter or is actually good for you.
But cholesterol numbers by themselves do not mean you need statins, especially on this diet. If the cholesterol particles in your bloodstream are not big enough to accumulate or disrupt lung or heart function, you don't need statins. Doctors have been trained incorrectly to rely on raw numbers without doing more testing to confirm the need of statins. This is a combination of the the lack of keeping up with available new information and the influence of "science" from the pharmaceutical companies. Just because "it's always been done that way", doesn't mean it's current or relevant.
Post by: pianoman9701 on May 13, 2021, 03:55:35 PM
:tup:
I dont care how anyone else eats either. I am pro doctors though as I had a few save my life.
I also don't follow this thread, just happened to accidentally open it from the recent topics section, read your post and had a good laugh.
I eat meat, more than most, and also eat a balanced diet and I don't need the internet to tell me how to do it.
Carry on with the Keto chat
Yeah, doctors are great when it comes to things like a broken leg, but the majority know very little about proper nutrition.
And you believe proper nutrition includes zero plant matter? Do you think that's how early humans ate?
Personally, I eat a ton of leafy greens, and green and white vegetables
Post by: Mtnwalker on May 13, 2021, 03:58:17 PM
:tup:
I dont care how anyone else eats either. I am pro doctors though as I had a few save my life.
I also don't follow this thread, just happened to accidentally open it from the recent topics section, read your post and had a good laugh.
I eat meat, more than most, and also eat a balanced diet and I don't need the internet to tell me how to do it.
Carry on with the Keto chat
Yeah, doctors are great when it comes to things like a broken leg, but the majority know very little about proper nutrition.
Pretty crazy that we are flying drones on Mars and on the verge of creating true A.I. yet we still can’t figure out which food is actually good for us and what isn’t
Post by: Angry Perch on May 13, 2021, 04:01:14 PM
I took a few pictures of pages in Shawn Baker's book, The Carnivore Diet. Hopefully it's readable.
Any conflict of interest that this guy is also the CEO of a company that charges $150/year membership to pedal a meat based diet?
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2021, 04:02:11 PM
Post by: Angry Perch on May 13, 2021, 04:05:14 PM
Early humans sure didn't eat wheat and corn. Fruits and vegetables are actually not necessary in the human diet. I know, hard to believe since they've been telling us to eat them for decades. But remember, they also told us butter was bad and margarine was good!
They've been telling us that for decades, but we've been eating fruits, nuts, berries, bark seeds and animals for millions of years.
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2021, 04:05:37 PM
I took a few pictures of pages in Shawn Baker's book, The Carnivore Diet. Hopefully it's readable.
Any conflict of interest that this guy is also the CEO of a company that charges $150/year membership to pedal a meat based diet?
No I don't think so but either way, I follow plenty of people who eat a meat only diet, and they're all healthy as can be. Humans evolved eating meat. We wouldn't have survived as a species without it as the main part of our diet. It's why we developed bigger brains, and the other primates didn't.
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2021, 04:09:04 PM
Early humans sure didn't eat wheat and corn. Fruits and vegetables are actually not necessary in the human diet. I know, hard to believe since they've been telling us to eat them for decades. But remember, they also told us butter was bad and margarine was good!
They've been telling us that for decades, but we've been eating fruits, nuts, berries, bark seeds and animals for millions of years.
No, not really. Fruits and vegetables were only available seasonally and for very short periods of time. And the fruits and vegetables we have today are nothing like what was available in the past. But just read the books and do the research. It's what I did. The other book to look into is by Paul Saladino, if you're interested in learning more.
Post by: Angry Perch on May 13, 2021, 04:10:51 PM
Early humans sure didn't eat wheat and corn. Fruits and vegetables are actually not necessary in the human diet. I know, hard to believe since they've been telling us to eat them for decades. But remember, they also told us butter was bad and margarine was good!
They've been telling us that for decades, but we've been eating fruits, nuts, berries, bark seeds and animals for millions of years.
No, not really. Fruits and vegetables were only available seasonally and for very short periods of time. And the fruits and vegetables we have today are nothing like what was available in the past. But just read the books and do the research. It's what I did. The other book to look into is by Paul Saladino, if you're interested in learning more.
Do read books and research that run counter to the belief in a meat based diet?
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2021, 04:18:34 PM
Early humans sure didn't eat wheat and corn. Fruits and vegetables are actually not necessary in the human diet. I know, hard to believe since they've been telling us to eat them for decades. But remember, they also told us butter was bad and margarine was good!
They've been telling us that for decades, but we've been eating fruits, nuts, berries, bark seeds and animals for millions of years.
No, not really. Fruits and vegetables were only available seasonally and for very short periods of time. And the fruits and vegetables we have today are nothing like what was available in the past. But just read the books and do the research. It's what I did. The other book to look into is by Paul Saladino, if you're interested in learning more.
Do read books and research that run counter to the belief in a meat based diet?
I don't care. Do what you want. I'm pretty happy with the improvement in my health. In 6 months went from 215 pounds to 165. Hemoglobin A1C went from 5.7 to 5.3. But go ahead and continue eating your veggies. I'll stick to my deer, elk, antelope, beef, bacon, salmon, sardines, liver, oysters, chicken, cheddar cheese, butter, and eggs.
Oh, and I almost forgot, lots and lots of salt.
Post by: bobcat on May 13, 2021, 09:39:41 PM
Post by: Curly on May 14, 2021, 05:31:25 AM
I found that I can get relief by increasing my carb intake. I need to eat at least an apple a day to keep the metal taste down. It gets really bad when I've gone for a while with very little carbs.
Post by: trophyhunt on May 14, 2021, 07:06:37 AM
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Post by: cbond3318 on May 14, 2021, 07:56:34 AM
I've been doing keto since the end of February and I did lose 15 to 20 pounds and I'm pretty close to my target weight now. The metal mouth is terrible but at least I've figured out that bumping up my carb intake will pretty much fix it. It's just wierd.
IVe found if I significantly raise my water intake it helps with the funk mouth.
Post by: JBG on May 14, 2021, 09:39:10 AM
Post by: Stein on May 14, 2021, 09:43:09 AM
Anybody else here doing keto get a bad metal taste? It is so bad it makes it difficult to drink water because it's like sticking a bunch of coins in my mouth.
I found that I can get relief by increasing my carb intake. I need to eat at least an apple a day to keep the metal taste down. It gets really bad when I've gone for a while with very little carbs.
Never had that happen either.
Post by: Whitpirate on May 14, 2021, 01:21:32 PM
I've been doing keto since the end of February and I did lose 15 to 20 pounds and I'm pretty close to my target weight now. The metal mouth is terrible but at least I've figured out that bumping up my carb intake will pretty much fix it. It's just wierd.
IVe found if I significantly raise my water intake it helps with the funk mouth.
Make sure you are upping potassium, magnesium and salt intake. Lots of folks have videos detailing their home-made ketone boosting water amendments. Mine is a multi-vitamin with extra K and P along with Himalayan salt.
Post by: bigmacc on May 14, 2021, 01:26:31 PM
Early humans sure didn't eat wheat and corn. Fruits and vegetables are actually not necessary in the human diet. I know, hard to believe since they've been telling us to eat them for decades. But remember, they also told us butter was bad and margarine was good!
They've been telling us that for decades, but we've been eating fruits, nuts, berries, bark seeds and animals for millions of years.
No, not really. Fruits and vegetables were only available seasonally and for very short periods of time. And the fruits and vegetables we have today are nothing like what was available in the past. But just read the books and do the research. It's what I did. The other book to look into is by Paul Saladino, if you're interested in learning more.
Do read books and research that run counter to the belief in a meat based diet?
I don't care. Do what you want. I'm pretty happy with the improvement in my health. In 6 months went from 215 pounds to 165. Hemoglobin A1C went from 5.7 to 5.3. But go ahead and continue eating your veggies. I'll stick to my deer, elk, antelope, beef, bacon, salmon, sardines, liver, oysters, chicken, cheddar cheese, butter, and eggs.
Oh, and I almost forgot, lots and lots of salt.
I got to admit it does sound weird but I have 2 folks I know(a guy I used to work with and a fella who hunts with us), both are on this "meat eating" diet I guess you call it :chuckle:. One has lost almost 50 lbs and the other about 35lbs, both are in their late 60,s and claim they feel like they're in their 40,s :dunno:, both get checked annually and everything is perfect, both have been doing it a couple years now and swear by it. The guy that hunts with us will eat an apple every once in awhile as well as a shot of apple cider vinegar now and then, both will also fast every once in awhile, they have been doing it long enough now that its normal for them.
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Post by: spin05 on May 15, 2021, 05:37:54 AM
Anybody else here doing keto get a bad metal taste? It is so bad it makes it difficult to drink water because it's like sticking a bunch of coins in my mouth.
I found that I can get relief by increasing my carb intake. I need to eat at least an apple a day to keep the metal taste down. It gets really bad when I've gone for a while with very little carbs.
Nope. just smelly pee
Post by: actionshooter on May 16, 2021, 08:40:10 AM
Anybody else here doing keto get a bad metal taste? It is so bad it makes it difficult to drink water because it's like sticking a bunch of coins in my mouth.
I found that I can get relief by increasing my carb intake. I need to eat at least an apple a day to keep the metal taste down. It gets really bad when I've gone for a while with very little carbs.
Read this, I have been having problems with kidney pain (I thought was my back) the last few days and decided to play internet doctor. This describes me to a tee. I don't have the metal taste, but they talk about it. https://ketolifehacker.com/2019/05/02/keto-kidney-pain/
Post by: solomtnhunter on May 16, 2021, 09:12:48 AM
Post by: Curly on May 16, 2021, 10:42:28 AM
Anybody else here doing keto get a bad metal taste? It is so bad it makes it difficult to drink water because it's like sticking a bunch of coins in my mouth.
I found that I can get relief by increasing my carb intake. I need to eat at least an apple a day to keep the metal taste down. It gets really bad when I've gone for a while with very little carbs.
Read this, I have been having problems with kidney pain (I thought was my back) the last few days and decided to play internet doctor. This describes me to a tee. I don't have the metal taste, but they talk about it. https://ketolifehacker.com/2019/05/02/keto-kidney-pain/
Thank you. That link looks to be very helpful. I have also had problems with uric acid which caused me to have gout....although that was before I started on keto. Sounds like I need more dairy and leafy vegetables. I'll give that a try and see if that helps. I drink as much water as I can....at least 90 ounces per day. Sounds like potassium and magnesium may be low thogh.
I may actually go off of keto and just do paleo. It would be easier to get potassium (i love bananas). I'm pretty close to my ideal weight anyway and paleo is pretty easy to do and easier to eat a little less meat on paleo.
Post by: bobcat on May 16, 2021, 11:35:09 AM
To be sure I'm getting plenty of electrolytes I mix 1/2 teaspoon of pink salt and 1 teaspoon of "No Salt" (potassium) in 2 liters of water, and drink it throughout the day.
Post by: Curly on May 16, 2021, 12:03:36 PM
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Post by: Curly on May 16, 2021, 12:14:03 PM
Post by: Stein on May 16, 2021, 02:47:43 PM
16 oz water
1/4 tsp baking soda
1/16 tsp lite salt
1/16 tsp epsom salt
You can make enough to fill a swimming pool for $10. It's easier to measure if you do a pitcher instead of trying to figure out what 1/16 tsp is.
That said, I think the whole electrolyte and "hydrate" thing is a bit overblown for the vast majority of people. I know it was for me all the way through having a bad outcome at an event.
Post by: bobcat on May 16, 2021, 03:17:47 PM
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 07, 2021, 05:36:28 AM
Post by: spin05 on June 07, 2021, 11:15:31 PM
Cleaning more often
Nope actually been cleaning less. and when i do theres nothing there. Good by product to have. i just never relized how the foods we eat have a funny and pronoun effect on our bodies sometimes
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Post by: spin05 on July 01, 2021, 12:06:04 AM
Check out Bavarian lil jeagers
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I been eating the crap out of these
Post by: Timberstalker on July 01, 2021, 04:41:52 AM
Lots of sugar in jerky! But I love my jerky !
Check out the zero carb jerky, Jerry. Lots of brands to choose from nowadays.
Stay away from the Slim Jims. Lol.