Post by: limpy4 on March 12, 2021, 03:19:54 PM
I'm concerned about finding good ground that can hold that many stakes. I've had a hard time getting just a few stakes to hold in the back country.
I'm mostly in the pasayten , tiffany pass, the conc, most of northern washington I guess.
Am I over thinking or is it a common struggle finding the right ground?
Post by: vandeman17 on March 12, 2021, 03:34:04 PM
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Post by: 7mmfan on March 12, 2021, 06:08:27 PM
It really depends on where you go. Most of the time, I think it would be ok, but there are the times where you end up in a place where the only flat ground is 4' wide and it's a stretch to get that. I would be more worried about footprint than stakes, I think if you don't have good dirt you will have rocks, logs, trees or something to make it work.
Yeah that. Don't worry to much about dirt if you can find rocks or logs or roots to toe off too.
Post by: limpy4 on March 13, 2021, 11:51:46 AM
Good to know logs and rocks will work, wasn't sure if there was any forgiveness with the pitching of these tents.
Thanks for the comments.
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 13, 2021, 11:56:46 AM
Post by: pd on March 13, 2021, 04:29:18 PM
Post by: pd on March 13, 2021, 04:32:50 PM
For pitching on uneven ground, there is a really nice instruction video out there, I just saw it. I think it was on the Seek Outside website. Look for it, I will help if you can't find it.
Found it. Really useful.
I seem to remember something about not being able to post a link on this forum. Against the rules.
If this is a transgression, somebody please remove it.
Post by: Skinnyguts on March 13, 2021, 08:06:46 PM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 13, 2021, 08:22:22 PM
Post by: Fl0und3rz on March 13, 2021, 09:15:00 PM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on March 13, 2021, 09:26:53 PM
Post by: hogslayer on March 13, 2021, 09:36:14 PM
Post by: WapitiTalk1 on March 13, 2021, 09:45:03 PM
I have a Kifaru Sawtooth. Big only complaint is during cold windy nights. Wind gets underneath the tent because you can't get it close enough to the ground. It was 18* with 15 MPH winds and they would rip into the tent from underneath.
HS, yes! One of my reservations about Kifarroo is that they don’t have snow flaps on a lot of their products (or whatever they’re called). Sure, you save a few ounces but snow flaps are HUGE during inclimate weather.
Post by: Tbob on March 17, 2021, 11:45:10 PM
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Post by: pickardjw on March 19, 2021, 07:51:17 AM
I had a Seekoutside Redcliff and really liked it and never had any problems setting it up on any type of terrain.. a little practice and you’ll be all good. I just couldn’t handle the constant condensation.. if you’re not running a stove in WA you’ll be really wet from the tent dripping on you.. I didn’t think it would be a big deal, you know, just wipe it with a towel and you’re good to go.... nope! We had puddles of water on our bags every day. There was 3 of us and no stove. We vented the crap out of it, doors as open as possible with the rain. Open fully when not raining. We lifted it up off the ground a few inches even for better airflow. Nope! No good, still dripping. I love the shelter, just couldn’t handle the amount it would rain on us form the inside.
Were y'all in a particularly humid environment or the high country? And what time of year? Currently waiting on my redcliff to arrive...
Post by: Tbob on March 19, 2021, 09:15:54 PM
Post by: 7mmfan on March 20, 2021, 08:25:03 AM
Post by: Rob on March 20, 2021, 08:40:03 AM
Post by: CaNINE on March 21, 2021, 07:00:23 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on March 21, 2021, 09:10:42 AM
Only if you need packable shelter with wood heat get a tipi.
Post by: actionshooter on March 24, 2021, 07:27:51 PM
Post by: huntnnw on March 24, 2021, 10:08:10 PM
Post by: JeffRaines on March 24, 2021, 11:51:59 PM
In a drier environment, or if you can locate the PERFECT campsite away from any moisture sources, they can be great... and we know how often “perfect” situations happen. Otherwise, condensation city, and this is with one guy. Tent pitched 3-4” off the ground, doors open at the top, dry weather, tent soaked.
Post by: limpy4 on March 29, 2021, 06:34:05 PM
Post by: snake on March 29, 2021, 07:14:30 PM
Post by: Rob on March 29, 2021, 07:53:43 PM
Post by: Chesapeake on April 23, 2021, 03:05:18 PM
One time I camped up in volcanic ash sand type stuff in the wind. That sucked bad. Was no way to get the walls pinned down tight enough to keep sand from blowing in. I had sand in everything.
The TP's and tarps are great for being light and as a minimal shelter, and if you have a stove. But they aren't for everyone, and every situation.
Depending on the ground and how much you care for your sleeping pad, ect... you'll want a ground cloth of some type. This adds weight, as does a bug net nest. Then if you want to leave the tent up while you hunt you might need to bring the pole, or give up your trekking poles, or maybe cut a stick.
Post by: JeffRaines on April 25, 2021, 09:36:28 PM
One day
Post by: huntnnw on April 26, 2021, 06:01:59 AM
One of these days I’ll brainstorm a “best of both worlds” shelter. Lightweight, double wall, wood stove capable. Something like putting a stove jack in a Hilleberg Anjan GT or similar shelter. You can have a small stove for drying stuff out when you want it(and let’s face it, packable wood stoves aren’t built to run all night so it dont matter if it’s small as it’s gonna go out when you stop feeding it anyhow), and the double wall to keep the inevitable condensation off your gear. I’m not sure where lightweight fits in - perhaps there’s a similar shelter made with lighter materials.
One day
KUIU refuge is this.. stove capable, light, removable floor and I have never had condensation in it
Post by: Rob on April 26, 2021, 06:50:23 AM
My Cablelas Big-horn has this setup
Post by: farmin4u_98948 on April 26, 2021, 06:57:47 AM
One of these days I’ll brainstorm a “best of both worlds” shelter. Lightweight, double wall, wood stove capable. Something like putting a stove jack in a Hilleberg Anjan GT or similar shelter. You can have a small stove for drying stuff out when you want it(and let’s face it, packable wood stoves aren’t built to run all night so it dont matter if it’s small as it’s gonna go out when you stop feeding it anyhow), and the double wall to keep the inevitable condensation off your gear. I’m not sure where lightweight fits in - perhaps there’s a similar shelter made with lighter materials.
One day
I know of a Fireman in Bellingham that custom makes what you are envisioning. They are not cheap http://www.wildsidesystems.com/
Post by: Fl0und3rz on April 26, 2021, 07:14:36 AM
Post by: RookieBow1967 on April 26, 2021, 01:41:13 PM
Due to being easy to setup, I take it with me when I go fishing to get out of the rain and wind. You can set it up just about any where. Even on rocky areas just use rocks to hold the tent rather than stakes. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20210426/e0daa6c7ef2d343b7b7bfcd400d8900a.jpg)
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Post by: snake on April 28, 2021, 07:47:27 PM
I enjoy my cimarron and enjoy the flourless shelters. Pitch it correctly and condensation is not a big issue at all. Even in green, moist grass with rain and hail storms, this setup stayed dry.Whats the secret? Any tips?
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Post by: pd on April 28, 2021, 08:20:18 PM
I also have the Cimarron. Tell us how you applied silicon to the inside. (My teepee has factory seam sealing, but that is only on the seams, right?)
Post by: RookieBow1967 on April 28, 2021, 08:28:34 PM
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Post by: pickardjw on April 29, 2021, 08:34:19 AM
The silicone spray is one I've never heard...might look into that.
Post by: 3dvapor on April 29, 2021, 09:13:28 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 29, 2021, 09:53:44 AM
New proto type pellet burner I've built for my red cliff. It's more for truck camping but burns all night and no stoking fire constantly. I've used it so far up to 8,000ft. Elevation made very little difference which was good.take my money! Seriously! That is awesome!
Post by: Fl0und3rz on April 29, 2021, 10:39:11 AM
New proto type pellet burner I've built for my red cliff. It's more for truck camping but burns all night and no stoking fire constantly. I've used it so far up to 8,000ft. Elevation made very little difference which was good.
Right on. That's slick. I thought of burning pellets, which could give a slow, low heat. But that is pretty cool.
Post by: 3dvapor on April 29, 2021, 12:28:13 PM
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Post by: CaNINE on September 08, 2021, 05:06:17 PM
Do you guys ever have rodent issues in the high country with floorless tents? Like, chewing on your pack, sleeping bag, etc.?I awoke to a pack rat trying to remove the stocking cap off my head once. A small price to pay for joy of floorless.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on September 08, 2021, 07:30:45 PM
New proto type pellet burner I've built for my red cliff. It's more for truck camping but burns all night and no stoking fire constantly. I've used it so far up to 8,000ft. Elevation made very little difference which was good.
That little hoper lasts all night?🤔
Post by: Bushcraft on September 08, 2021, 08:00:18 PM
The Northwest, BC, Alaska are different animals. It can get wet and stay that way for a long, long time.
Moral of the story...if you are going to get one of these shelters...GET A FREAKIN' LINER!!!
If you don't get a liner for this type of single layer shelter system with a big footprint with a large internal vs. external heat and humidity differential, you only have yourself to blame for not paying attention and having a crappy hunting or camping trip.
Or, you can just get a liner and a stove and use some common sense with a ground cloth and live like a King in the backcountry, regardless of what Mother Nature throws at you.
Post by: Vek on September 09, 2021, 10:50:40 AM
*learn telltale signs of if and where standing water accumulates on the ground in heavy rain
*camp in the woods...your fly will be warmer due to trees blocking the radiant heat loss path of your fly to the night sky
*camp in the woods...less wind to knock drips off the walls onto your face
*camp in the woods...you won't feel a thing when the snag falls on you in the middle of the night and kills you
*pitch with gap at bottom, and use a shelter with a peak vent
*full tyvek footprint for any part of your sleep system that may touch the ground
*synthetic bag fill
In the context of days-long near-100% unrelenting rain and soakerhose mist:
*you will wet out your gear in the end, unless you have a stove
*2 walls will extend the time it takes for you and your gear to wet out
*how long until you're wetted out to the level of general discomfort in a singlewall shelter? Dunno. Couple three days maybe, depending on your day's activities
Parting shot...you can stay pretty damn dry under a large tarp with relatively steep pitch, camped out of the wind. If your pitch is "open" enough, there won't be significant condensation because there's no temperature delta across the fly. Manage spindrift and you can stay pretty dry.
Post by: skagitsteel on November 13, 2021, 10:38:10 AM
-early summer in the cascades- bugs can be terrible and its not cold enough to need a stove
-Late October in west side of the cascades- Everything is soaked, no dry wood after the first good wet snow comes and melts makes a stove pointless. Have had flowing water under my tent on many occasions in good rainstorms, also If you go floorless in deeper snow that time of year, inevitably that snow melts or at least turns to slush midday, the floorless tent becomes a good low-point for melt off and a small lake may occur inside.
-High winds- I have tried a couple floorless shelters and I haven't found one yet that I'm comfortable in high winds while camping exposed. If I'm above treelined and its supposed to be windy the Hillberg gets the nod
Outside of those scenarios I actually prefer the floorless route. Eastern Wa, Montana, Idaho I can't see many situations where floorless would not be proffered.
Post by: snake on April 04, 2022, 07:54:41 PM
Post by: andersonjk4 on April 04, 2022, 08:16:31 PM
Revisiting this topic, lots of good info here. I just set up my Luxe ocrtopeak and burned in my seek outside XL yesterday. do you guys bring a groundcloth to put under your sleeping pad? Im not planning on getting a liner or a floor.
I just use a piece of Tyvek house wrap. You can make it as big or small as you like. Having some extra clean space for laying out gear is nice.
Post by: snake on April 14, 2022, 05:08:35 PM
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on April 14, 2022, 05:14:20 PM
After reading through this again, I ordered a liner, its 3'x7'.
Which one did u order? Looking for options to Tyvek also.
Post by: snake on April 14, 2022, 06:17:12 PM
Its one off the Luxxe website. it was like $20 I believe. I has clips to attach to the tipi I bought from them. I haven't received it yet. I believe it weighs just under a pound.After reading through this again, I ordered a liner, its 3'x7'.
Which one did u order? Looking for options to Tyvek also.
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on April 14, 2022, 06:42:45 PM