Post by: Oh Mah on March 29, 2021, 04:02:18 PM
I'm trying to reload my once fired 6.5 300 Weatherby brass and before i run them all i want to be sure it will chamber first.i have shimmed under the brass to get it up as high as i can so close that the step inside the die touches the belted shoulder and it still wont chamber.
Could this factory loaded ammo from Weatherby be so hot it needs annealed after 1 firing?
any suggestions would be welcome,thanks
@str8meat and anyone else that knows these.
Post by: Reidus on March 29, 2021, 04:08:34 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on March 29, 2021, 04:11:48 PM
Post by: Reidus on March 29, 2021, 04:13:54 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on March 29, 2021, 04:16:14 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 29, 2021, 04:20:05 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on March 29, 2021, 04:40:15 PM
i WENT OUT AND CHECKED CASE LENGTH......WOW 15 OVER.
They were fine before i sized them,.002 .003 over the trim length.
I sized another then trimmed to length(trimmed almost .020 off the length) brought it in and chambered smooth as silk.Thank you very much.
I have learned some ammo needs trimmed after sizing.
:kneel:
Post by: Reidus on March 29, 2021, 04:47:14 PM
Post by: Reidus on March 29, 2021, 04:49:42 PM
Post by: jrebel on March 29, 2021, 04:53:28 PM
Also you may have ran the case in further than you needed to which could cause the case to grow.
:yeah:
I’ve never seen a case grow that much by sizing alone. Don’t shim under your brass and make sure your die is set up correctly. Also make sure your lubing enough.
Post by: Oh Mah on March 29, 2021, 04:58:12 PM
Have to resize these then trim debur then loadem up.ALWAYS LEARNING SOMETHING NEW WITH THESE NEW CHAMBERINGS FROM WEATHERBY.
After i getr these done i'm gonna revisit my .338-378 brass that i could not get to work and see if its the same deal. thanks again everyone.
Post by: b23 on March 29, 2021, 05:15:09 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on March 29, 2021, 05:19:50 PM
Post by: str8meat on March 29, 2021, 05:38:09 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on March 29, 2021, 05:47:18 PM
is that a Weatherby trademark or something?
Post by: Oh Mah on March 29, 2021, 05:51:25 PM
76 grains of H1000
c.o.a,l 3.580
127 grain lrx bt bullet.
one of these days i'll find a pound of that US 869 AND TRY IT OUT.
Post by: str8meat on March 29, 2021, 07:07:10 PM
140 nosler accubond 3.568 88 grains us869, these are seconds with a canelure 3275,3301,3309 FPS accuracy better
140 nosler accubond 3.713 88 grains us869 factory first 3323,3327,3356 FPS. Under an inch at 200 if I do my part. Go to load for me.
140 Berger hunting vld hunting 3258,3202,3202,3223,3254,3204 same load 3.652.
156 grain Berger vld hunting 85 us869 3065 no coal. Haven’t played with these much.
I was afraid the Berger of being to fragile on bigger game, bud of mine in Eburg killed a cow elk at 533 with my 140 Berger load and it was bang flop. Drt
I also have 130 scirocco to test as I feel they maybe a tad tougher than accubond. Dunno haven’t played with yet. But spring is still young
Post by: Oh Mah on March 29, 2021, 07:29:29 PM
Post by: b23 on March 30, 2021, 12:24:30 AM
i agree they stretch but why do they grow so much after sizing?
It's typical for brass to get longer, particularly in the base to shoulder measurement, during the FL sizing process if the die isn't screwed down far enough for the shoulder of the case to come in contact with the top of the die. As the brass goes up inside a FL die it squeezes down on the sides of the case as it does that it forces the brass to actually get longer and it'll stay that way until the shoulder comes in contact with the top of the die. Think of what happens to the water level of a plastic water bottle as you squeeze the middle of it, the water level rises.
That's why I asked about cam over because I always need my FL dies screwed down slightly past cam over before it'll ever push the shoulder back 1-2 thou and until the die is screwed down past touch the brass will come out with the shoulder pushed forward which is why your brass won't chamber after it's sized.
You're talking about your brass growing 20 thou in the sizing process which is extreme. Are you measuring just the overall length of the case and it's growing 20 thou or are you using shoulder bump gauge inserts to measure base to shoulder and that measurement is growing 20 thou? Either way, that's excessive and something doesn't seem quite right. Did you maybe mean .002 longer not .020 ?
Post by: Oh Mah on March 30, 2021, 01:15:38 AM
Post by: bearpaw on March 30, 2021, 06:30:40 AM
Since your on here str6meat,could you send me your load data?I just want to see what youre doing thats all.my first im going straight off Barnes data.
76 grains of H1000
c.o.a,l 3.580
127 grain lrx bt bullet.
one of these days i'll find a pound of that US 869 AND TRY IT OUT.
I just ordered US 869 from Powder Valley a couple days ago, you might check and see if they still have any. :twocents:
Post by: mazama on March 30, 2021, 10:27:00 AM
Post by: b23 on March 30, 2021, 10:40:08 AM
I just ordered US 869 from Powder Valley a couple days ago, you might check and see if they still have any. :twocents:
If you've worked with US869 before you already know this but if not be aware US869 has a love hate relationship with those who use it, with most hating it.
I use it in both my 338 Lap Imp and 30-338 Lap Imp and get along well with it but I've learned some things about its use along the way and until I figured them out I was a hater. It has the burn rate of wet coal so use the hottest primer you can get and it likes a lot of start pressure. I get best results using it when I'm seating very close to touching the lands and when I don't ES goes crazy and I'll have extreme ES numbers.
Post by: Oh Mah on March 30, 2021, 05:49:55 PM
just ordered 2 pounds of it,thank you bear paw i didnt even know about them until you said. :tup:Since your on here str6meat,could you send me your load data?I just want to see what youre doing thats all.my first im going straight off Barnes data.
76 grains of H1000
c.o.a,l 3.580
127 grain lrx bt bullet.
one of these days i'll find a pound of that US 869 AND TRY IT OUT.
I just ordered US 869 from Powder Valley a couple days ago, you might check and see if they still have any. :twocents:
Post by: Oh Mah on March 30, 2021, 06:57:31 PM
they still wont chamber.i have 4 rounds that chambered(1 of them was the test subject that worked last night)i fully loaded 1 and it chambered no problem so i did 15 others.checked them today and only 4 out of the 16 will chamber.
i marked 1 with a sharpie and it is tight toward the fat end about 3/8 of an inch up from the belted area.
any suggestions?
Post by: TooTallMike on March 30, 2021, 07:02:00 PM
You're getting the common bulge above the belt issue
Post by: Oh Mah on March 30, 2021, 07:06:13 PM
Post by: TooTallMike on March 30, 2021, 07:10:08 PM
is it because its so hot,
No it's pretty common with all belted magnums the factory sizing dies don't get all the way down to just above the belt so it's keeps growing. The die itself is about 120$ but saves your brass so in my opinion it pays for itself
Post by: BULLBLASTER on March 30, 2021, 07:13:24 PM
I have loaded thousands and thousands of rounds of belted cartridges and never once had any issue caused by the belt.
Do fired cases chamber again before you size them?
Post by: Oh Mah on March 30, 2021, 07:16:05 PM
Larry willis collet die.I love it,I will call them tomorrow.
You're getting the common bulge above the belt issue
Post by: Reidus on March 30, 2021, 07:16:25 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on March 30, 2021, 07:27:39 PM
Post by: Oh Mah on March 30, 2021, 07:28:27 PM
Post by: b23 on March 30, 2021, 07:44:02 PM
Loads that are hot can definitely cause the case to swell beyond the limits of a FL die to size them back down but as of yet you really haven't established if your cases are not chambering because the base to shoulder is to long or if they are swelled.
Have you taken any measurements of these cases and compared them to a piece of brass that does chamber in your gun?
Post by: Oh Mah on March 30, 2021, 08:10:59 PM
it is undoubtedly swelled and springing back after resizing with a normal die.From what i read on this collet die it will take care of all of my Weatherby problems as it is adjustable and will remove the bulge. :tup: THANKS EVERYONE AGAIN.I WILL COME BACK TO THIS POST AFTER I GET THE DIE. $120. PLUS $12. 2 DAY SHIPPING.
Post by: sjhgraysage on March 31, 2021, 09:49:21 AM
We could only find a set of Lee dies for about $40
I have resized several fired cases and have not had any of the issues you are having so far
case length has not been an issue so far either.
The sizer die did come with a .308 expander stem in it and Lee took care of it within 10 days of us notifying them and sending in the wrong expander stem.