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wonder if I should do some exotics?
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Black billed Capercaillie
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Post by: Birdguy on April 07, 2021, 09:24:33 PM
Those are definitely some beautiful birds. Although I believe some are possibly The result of selective breeding. I saw a ringneck pheasant this year in Yakima. Supposedly, those are one of the rarest Of all pheasant.
Not one of those are the result of selective breeding(the color variations of the golden maybe an exception depending on how you look at it). they are all different breeds and all but the Blyths tragoapn are in aviaries in the US I believe. We have raised several of them and Bone addict has as well. There are multiple varieties of ringneck from many places in the world. It is a fantastic hobby, though not cheap and can be very time consuming. I knew a guy in Walla Walla years ago that raised several hundred Reeves pheasants for release on his farm. The (old) game department released several varieties of galliformes in the 70 and 80s from what I have read. The state will not allow grouse or ptarmigan in captivity >:( but I would love to if they would.
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Green jungle fowl
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Post by: Birdguy on April 09, 2021, 11:50:20 AM
@Boneaddict probably has forgotten more about galliformes than most will ever know.
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2021, 11:03:13 AM
Partridge sized, looked very huntable and were everywhere in the huntable areas of the game range.
Looked like those francolin
Post by: boneaddict on April 10, 2021, 01:10:04 PM
I was also friends with the gentleman from walla walla that released them(he used to be a member on here) Many of them were birds from my place. Their downfall was they were so aggressive. They’d attack hunters and get shot. Throughout the years I’ve lost a couple birds out into,the Wenas. I had several live outside of my pens and survived for years. The one I just lost was a silver, that actually lived free for years, finally broke into the pen to fight the male in there and then stayed inside the pen.
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2021, 01:15:50 PM
Be cool to do some exotics, and be a small miller ranch type deal.
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Easy, and natural propagation with high survival rates, given some effort in habitat.
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Be fun to do an "easter egg hunt", bunches of ringnecks then a golden pops up lolA couple times a day, for my kids. They did an amazing job, labeling, keeping records etc. plus they could get into tight spots I couldn’t
Post by: LDennis24 on April 10, 2021, 07:14:12 PM
Natural propagation is fairly difficult with these guys. Quite frankly they are dumb as hell. They’d drown in a flooded elk track. Generally at the end of every season, I let the gals sit on and hatch some of their own, so they wouldn’t “go nuts”. Silvers did the best in raising their own. Banty chickens or Cochins also did a good job of hatching out pheasant chicks and raising them.
I have guinea keys that free range year round on our place to eat ticks. They are amazing at being self sufficient. Dumb as hell with babies and raising broods. They will hatch out a batch of 15 chicks and lead them to the spring water and drown them all in the first two days. Then they will trample the babies in a panic trying to keep a cat away! I'm always forced to take them away and put them in a brooder box under a light. I'm gonna upset some people for not letting things be when I came across an unattended nest but when I was younger we had cochins and the neighbor and I would hatch out everything we found and some we ordered etc. One day on the way to school we went by a flooded field that had a long finger mound that went out into the middle of it from digging out the drainage ditch. The field was full all spring and a Canada goose had made a nest out on that finger. Well at some point the night before something found that goose on the nest and plucked it clean. We went out to the nest and it had two good eggs left untouched so we grabbed them and ran them home to the super broody red cochin the neighbor had. She could barely cover those two eggs but she got it done and we ended up with two Canada goslings. We ran to Aslin Finch and picked up an African goose baby that was slightly older and he helped them figure things out from the start and was the big brother. Sadly they got to flying and he couldn't fly so he would lose his mind and run after them across the meadow screaming his fool head off. They ended up leaving for the winter on their own and the next year only one returned with a wild mate. The year after that we never saw them again. The African was lonely so we gave it to someone who already had some and he fell in love with a mate they had for him. We raised alot of California quail and domestic duck varieties, bobwhites as well. I even had fighting cocks at one time and would get the gamecock magazine that sold fighting gaffs and knives in it. I came across some grouse chicks in the woods one time outside Cheney. Thought they were regular chicken babies wandering the trail until I went to catch one and a mother grouse came right up into my face! She strutted around just like a mad mother hen chicken would do and threw out her wings and punked me until I walked the other way. I thought about taking some to start a grouse pen but it would have been highly unethical and my conscience told me to leave her and the chicks alone. We raised regular old hunting varieties of pheasant as well. I love the black mutant strains. Had a pair that lived in my brothers yard at Rock Lake until they must have strayed too close to the road and some "hunters" picked them off. I live five minutes from Revere and the Escure Ranch and have to deal with folks shooting birds from the road every season so I don't allow hunting birds on my place because it's the only sanctuary for them and they have to nest somewhere. I would love to be able to raise prairie chickens or sharptails or sage grouse and release them here with success. Maybe one day I will. Hey Bone, do you know anyone who will sell me eggs from some if these less common varieties or even chicks? Tragopans maybe?
Post by: LDennis24 on April 10, 2021, 07:33:23 PM
Post by: Birdguy on April 10, 2021, 08:07:49 PM
KF, chukar maybe a better option for you smaller fun hunts, there are a few different colors and such (for your easter egg hunt) that would be easier to raise in the country your in. Smaller pens, could be off the ground to minimize the snow impact. We have always found them quite easy to raise, just as a thought. And they are good eating! But there are many colors of ringneck too.
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Post by: boneaddict on April 11, 2021, 06:50:19 AM
I only sold a couple Tragopan eggs. They went for about 300 if I recall. Pretty risky unless you are well versed at hatching. I don’t have any contacts anymore in the business besides Birdguy.
Post by: boneaddict on April 11, 2021, 06:55:21 AM
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Post by: LDennis24 on April 11, 2021, 08:10:45 AM
What else can you tell me about the Monal's (Impeyan)?
Do they handle the cold well? What exactly do you guys mean by being diggers? Just that they will build large holes from foraging and dusting like a chicken does? Did they lay very many eggs per season?
Post by: KFhunter on April 11, 2021, 08:24:20 AM
Make tunnels?
Or just destructive on the surface and hard on vegetation?
Post by: boneaddict on April 11, 2021, 09:07:41 AM
That’s a Barbary Chukar or Partridge. Nice birds. Very vocal.
They dig for roots and grubs I suppose, they’ll puddle and nest. They all move dirt in their pens, but some are worse than others. The Impeyans and Blue eared can move a lot of dirt. They’ll dig a hole by the cage wall, dirt will collapse and either a hole opens where they ccan escape or a predator can easily get in. I worked pretty hard at having planted pens, and yes, some I had trouble with.
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This was one of my favorites, and also one of the hardest to take care of, especially in this climateLove the 3D effect on this one
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Post by: Birdguy on April 12, 2021, 08:22:15 AM
So can you guys tell me where to find some Mikado chicks or Ijima coppers? Koklass' or Blood pheasant? Are any of these available in the NW? Or does anyone have Francolins available?
Francolins would be the most likely (type dependent). We did mikados several years ago and shipped them in. Ijimas could be found in the US but you better be looking and making contacts now. Koklass and blood pheasants I would bet the list is long and you will likely be screened as an educated breeder to get them and likely there would be strings as for as an agreement to propagate and control where those chicks went. Importing gets harder and more expensive every year and finding quality stock to import is tougher still. Folks who are raising those really numbered birds are very particular about who gets to keep them.
If you are real seroius, PM me and I will get you some folks to start talking with :tup:
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Remember the 4-H motto :chuckle: because it applies in everything. Especially breeding quality animals.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on April 14, 2021, 02:06:14 PM
What's the birds running all over the big island Hawaii?Gray frankolin are everywhere on Maui, my guess is that's what you saw there. We also saw some black frankolin but they were much less common.
Partridge sized, looked very huntable and were everywhere in the huntable areas of the game range.
Looked like those francolin
Post by: Birdguy on April 14, 2021, 08:46:16 PM
I'm definitely interested but I don't have anything lined up for them yet. I need to choose where I will build my pens first and see if I can get that done this year and hopefully start making a serious effort to aquire a few pairs next Spring. Thank you a bunch for the offer! Would you and Bone mind posting some pics of your old setups/enclosures? Have you ever heard of anyone in the U.S. having Capercaillies? I could tell you the exact spot I swear I came across some while blacktail hunting back in 2003 or so.
I have never heard of anyone in the US having capercaillies but if I find them I may have to move out of state to own them. I totally would! Those ptarmigan and grouse. I will see if I can find some pics of my pens but would really do things different if I were building today. I have learned a bit in 20 years of chores! My retirement place will be set up differently and will be expensive! Hardware cloth will be the material of choice for most enclosures. I would have "runs out of 1" PVC coated chicken wire. I have chicken wire (pvc coated) that is 15plus years old and is in great shape even in western WA weather. The standard 2" chicken wire has been replaced once and will be again this year, it does let the snow through so much better though. I would be glad to offer any assistance I can in pen construction once you know what birds you want to get.
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Post by: KFhunter on April 15, 2021, 01:09:19 PM
So I have some Jumbo ringnecks soon lol
They'll be eaters I think
Post by: Birdguy on April 15, 2021, 08:18:02 PM
Lol, thanks guys! Sounds like it was cool either way. Like I said, I have raised California quail and Bobwhites and have built enclosures before similar to what you describe. I have also bought several dog kennels that were large and covered them with 1" chicken wire. It's amazing how snow will build up on something like that and what it weighs. If you're familiar with where I live I don't get as much standing snow as you guys in the hills. It doesn't stick around nearly as long around here. I'm no stranger to daily watering either. I have about 30+ poultry already. Guineas and silkies and lavender orpingtons. I just got a clutch of French Bresse, of course straight run with one hen and two roosters, last fall as well. Said to be the best tasting chicken in the world. Unfortunately they got frost bite in that cold windstorm we had a few months ago and their feet fell off. Yes fell off. I knew that they had frostbite as their feet swelled with fluid the next day and their pen was the one in the direct line of that wind. It came from the North which is unusual. I tried treatment but only one of them came out ok. The hen. So now I have one guinea with no feet and a few Bresse with no feet that I'm struggling to cull. They will live but the male can't breed now and they will never have quality lives. It takes alot of commitment I know. I also have a dozen lowline galloway that I breed for small acreage and icelandic sheep. And four STUPID goats. My place is a petting zoo basically!
Sounds like a great place you have for sure!!
Post by: Birdguy on April 15, 2021, 08:20:06 PM
Welp, totally coincidentally someone asked if I wanted some Pheasant, said their wife always orders too many.
So I have some Jumbo ringnecks soon lol
They'll be eaters I think
KF you will be quite happy with the jumbos! We have raised them for years. They are obviously bigger but also much calmer (as a rule) than standard ringnecks.
Post by: KFhunter on May 18, 2021, 10:13:44 AM
Once I get em home in tbe brooder they'll go.
#6 was camera shy
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Post by: grundy53 on May 18, 2021, 12:25:39 PM
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He has hosted many elementary school feild trips and is an amazing guy to talk to. He can talk with you all things revolving around birds. Ornithology, photography, hunting, decoy carving and collecting...
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Question for the experts. What would be some good breeds for the west side? Basically what could handle our moisture?
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Grundy, give a little more info. You want to raise some for yard art? release? food? There are plenty that will do just fine in our environment with just a little effort in housing them. Would be glad to help out if I knew the direction you were heading :tup:.
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Post by: Special T on May 18, 2021, 11:09:00 PM
Maynard is one freaking cool guy!!! He has an awesome place for sure and some crazy cool waterfowl. Just good people!!! I am on the list for mandarins and wood ducks form him this fall if all goes well.He is a prince of a guy and ive not heard an ill word spoken about him. He is a Washington Waterfowlers Association member and ive had a few opportunities to talk with him. He told me he likes the challenge not all that different than trying to raise the perfect specimens of your favored hunting dog. The wide variety of birds he has makes breeding an exceptional challenge. They all have different breeding scheduals according to the photo/light schedual. Then2 breeding pair of Nene are exceptionally difficult because they laid at the same time we have had late snow. Light manipulation cannot be used because of all thenither birds that would be thrown off, especially the ones that breed in the far north.
Not only does he have lots of different geese but all manner of sea ducks and divers. Scoter, king eider... he told me he was part of a group that was able to get the feed company to produce a sea duck blend for all the divers.
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Post by: Birdguy on May 23, 2021, 08:04:00 PM
Sorry for being vague. Honestly, not totally sure myself. Probably mainly yard ornaments. I think it looks like a worthwhile hobby and these birds that have been posted look like living art. I've purchased acreage in SW Washington for a retirement property. I plan on being a hobby farmer to keep me busy/active in retirement. I'm thinking I would like to add some birds to my plan. I have quite a few years until retirement but have been working on the infrastructure so that it's ready to go when I retire. Always planning.
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Grundy reach out with whatever you want to know, if I can be of assistance I certainly will. Thinking ahead will seldom hinder the long term plan!
Post by: grundy53 on May 23, 2021, 10:43:32 PM
Thank you very much! I'll do that!Sorry for being vague. Honestly, not totally sure myself. Probably mainly yard ornaments. I think it looks like a worthwhile hobby and these birds that have been posted look like living art. I've purchased acreage in SW Washington for a retirement property. I plan on being a hobby farmer to keep me busy/active in retirement. I'm thinking I would like to add some birds to my plan. I have quite a few years until retirement but have been working on the infrastructure so that it's ready to go when I retire. Always planning.
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Post by: jbeaumont21 on May 24, 2021, 09:18:26 AM