Post by: shag on April 22, 2009, 06:37:00 PM
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Post by: gasman on April 22, 2009, 08:12:29 PM
I would, but i would not take a shot over 300 yards.
When i was looking in to getting one a few years ago, o read an article abut a guy wh whent to Canada and shot 2 Carabo, deer, bea,r and a Bison with a .257 Roberts.
It is a sweet shooting gun, my wife hunts with mine.
Post by: shag on April 22, 2009, 08:13:57 PM
Really??? That sucks cuz I was gonna shoot one at 201yds. I guess I better not if it's only good out to 200yds.. :rolleyes:
With a 100gr TSX at over 3100fps I'm sure I could extend that to at least 301yds.. In my old age I've found I shoot better with less recoil.
Post by: bobcat on April 22, 2009, 08:27:46 PM
Post by: Curly on April 22, 2009, 08:33:51 PM
Curly,:ass: :sas:
Really??? That sucks cuz I was gonna shoot one at 201yds. I guess I better not if it's only good out to 200yds.. :rolleyes:
With a 100gr TSX at over 3000fps I'm sure I could extend that to at least 301yds.. In my old age I've found I shoot better with less recoil.
Sorry if I offended you. Just my :twocents: :P :hello:
Post by: gasman on April 22, 2009, 08:40:44 PM
Exit wound shown in pic.
:hunter:
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi249.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fgg225%2Fgasman400%2FIMG_1245.jpg&hash=a85a77ca81ed4facb7ba699de06799c2cfa43507)
Post by: grizzlygibbs on April 22, 2009, 08:49:37 PM
257 Roberts...it's for kids and women. Really good cartridge for squirrels and rabbits. But for elk, it may not have enough oomph to put a bullet through an elk's skin so that it may actually penetrate into the vitals. It is nice that it recoils minimally. For those who have a tendency to flinch that's a definite advantage.
Ha ha, I would love to hear what you think about my win model 70 .243 Deer/elk killer.
My wife has a nice 257 and that thing is a tac driver! I sure dont need a large caliber
to put the animals down. :sas:
Post by: caseyv21 on April 22, 2009, 08:55:37 PM
Post by: Archery King on April 22, 2009, 09:56:52 PM
Post by: littlebuf on April 22, 2009, 10:04:14 PM
Of course it could work but isnt that a pointless subject in this state? .270 is the smallest caliber you can use for elk in this state isnt it?
ive never heard that before? im pretty sure the min bullet size for any big game besides cougar is .25 cal with .22 being legal for cougar
Post by: hogsniper on April 22, 2009, 10:10:42 PM
Post by: littlebuf on April 22, 2009, 10:21:56 PM
.24 cal or bigger for big game here in Wa.
.24 thats right, i didnt think that .25 looked right
Post by: Dakota Dogman on April 22, 2009, 10:30:33 PM
I have & love my .257 bob but I wouldn't use it for elk unless I had to and I sure wouldn't recommend it.
I shot a real nice prairie fat whitetail buck 4x4 with my bob. Running away, the bullet went into the passenger side ribs & blew up on the shoulder. Watched it run another 300 yards or so till it fell over. All well and good on flat prairie but on this west side jungle 300 yards with no blood trail could very easily be a lost animal.
I'll stick to something bigger. Most kids could handle a 7-08 or 7x57 loaded right. Or something like an old .300 savage could do a real nice job. But that's just me...
God Bless,
Post by: JoshT on April 23, 2009, 06:48:07 AM
Is it the optimum... no.
Will it compensate for shooter error... no, but neither will a .300 RUM.
The "only under ideal conditions" argument hold no water with me. If you're shooting at schitt under "less than ideal conditions"... or taking shots that require a larger caliber to reach the vitals (ie... the Texas Heart Shot, or hard angling shots)... then you're playing with fire. I encourage everyone to use a "bow hunting" type mentality when hunting elk... look for a shot that gives you a clear look at both lungs... you do that with any legal caliber and a good bullet... and you'll be needing a good knife (and pack frame).
Post by: Dakota Dogman on April 23, 2009, 09:20:10 AM
Mileage will vary... could say, "anyone who can't poach an elk with a .22 mag shouldn't be allowed out of the car!" I have heard it said that the .220 swift was perfect for Alaskan Griz, which was proven by an old indian who did it regularly. Some suggest that those who would be foolish enough to use a .257 on game larger are not serious enough to hunt elk ... I happily own both a .243 & a .257... and because of my experience with animals not "falling to a lung shot" like they are suppose to, I don't recommend them for true big game. Becaue Mileage will vary. Doesn't make either of us brilliant or stupid, but keeps Cabela's in business.
God bless,
Post by: JoshT on April 23, 2009, 09:28:59 AM
My point is...don't expect a bigger caliber to compensate for your inadequecies regarding shot placement. Put a good bullet through both lungs... and what caliber it is matters very little.
Post by: madmack76 on April 23, 2009, 12:04:15 PM
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Post by: ArtistNhunter2 on April 23, 2009, 04:39:16 PM
Post by: JoshT on April 23, 2009, 05:10:07 PM
Not very many elk will provide you with a broadside "double lung" shot. Then what do you do with that little .243 or .257? I think that's why most elk hunters use a larger caliber rifle; for those quartering away shots. Just my opinion. I tried using a big stick, but they just wouldn't hold still! :chuckle:
There's a lot of bowhunters who kill the schitt out of elk... they take nothing but broadside double lung shots... or slightly quartering away. If you need to smash a ball joint... maybe you should look for another shot. If you're just into slinging lead at elk... then you better bring the big guns... but that's rolling the dice every time.
I'd have no qualms hunting elk... or any other critter that can't stomp me into a puddle or eat me... with my 25-06 and a 100 TSX. On any sensible shot I'd bet a box of bullets you wouldn't recover that bullet... and the elk would be down within 40 yards. Don't know that I'd say the same about a .300 Winny running a 165 standard cup & core... and a lot of guys think that's good elk medicine.
Post by: bow-n-head on April 23, 2009, 05:42:04 PM
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Post by: Cascade_Sherpa on April 23, 2009, 06:38:49 PM
I also beleive that shot placement counts more than anything. thats why if you can't manage the recoil of a magnum rifle, then you're going to be shooting lousy with a cannon. It makes more sense to shoot a .243, .257, .270 accuratelly than a 30-378 like crap!
Post by: Ghost1941 on April 23, 2009, 06:57:19 PM
Care to go to South Africa with me? :dunno:
The bullet is big enough for an elk though, don't worry.
Post by: shag on April 23, 2009, 08:54:29 PM
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Post by: cascademountainhunter on April 23, 2009, 09:13:48 PM
Post by: shag on April 23, 2009, 10:02:35 PM
A Short Action Roberts topping the scales at 5-1/4 pds!!! A backcountry dream for me!
http://www.kimberamerica.com/rifles/84m/84m_montana/
Post by: groundhog on April 24, 2009, 07:49:56 AM
Post by: superdown on April 24, 2009, 08:19:21 AM
Quote
Modern Firearm Regulations
Rifles:
Big game, except cougar, must be hunted with
a minimum of 24 caliber (6mm) centerfire rifle.
Cougar may be hunted with 22 caliber centerfire
rifle. Rimfire rifles are not legal for big game.
Handguns:
Big game, except cougar, may be hunted with
handguns with a minimum barrel length of 4 inches
per manufacturers specification, and fire a minimum
24 caliber centerfire cartridge. Cougar may be
hunted with 22 caliber centerfire handgun. Rimfire
handguns are not legal for big game.
Post by: JoshT on April 24, 2009, 08:44:29 AM
"or any other critter that can't stomp me into a puddle or eat me... with my 25-06 and a 100 TSX. On any sensible shot I'd bet a box of bullets you wouldn't recover that bullet..."
Care to go to South Africa with me? :dunno:
The bullet is big enough for an elk though, don't worry.
Love to... you pay for everything I hammer with one pill out of the .25-06 and a 100 or 115 grain TSX... I'll pay for double anything that requires more than one shot... Deal? I'm thinking you might want to pack a lunch... though you might recover a couple bullets from the bigger african critters... them things are a lot tougher skinned than an elk.
Like I said... I fear nothing but the most dangerous of game when I pack the .25... there's about 7-8 animals on this entire planet that I'd be worried about. Even then... I might still pick a fight.
Post by: robb92 on April 26, 2009, 01:43:07 AM
Post by: Cascade_Sherpa on April 26, 2009, 09:33:19 AM
Post by: Ghost1941 on April 26, 2009, 11:23:41 AM
"or any other critter that can't stomp me into a puddle or eat me... with my 25-06 and a 100 TSX. On any sensible shot I'd bet a box of bullets you wouldn't recover that bullet..."
Care to go to South Africa with me? :dunno:
The bullet is big enough for an elk though, don't worry.
Love to... you pay for everything I hammer with one pill out of the .25-06 and a 100 or 115 grain TSX... I'll pay for double anything that requires more than one shot... Deal? I'm thinking you might want to pack a lunch... though you might recover a couple bullets from the bigger african critters... them things are a lot tougher skinned than an elk.
Like I said... I fear nothing but the most dangerous of game when I pack the .25... there's about 7-8 animals on this entire planet that I'd be worried about. Even then... I might still pick a fight.
You don't GO to Africa to hunt Blesbok, eland, gemsbok, Kudu's and Wildebeest(Those are an added perk). I'm talking about cape's and elephants. Hunting a cape with a .257 anything is like a Junior High quarterback trying to play in the NFL. You're going to get hurt.
However, I will agree with you on it's capabilities to take any of the others.
Post by: Curly on April 26, 2009, 11:41:48 AM
The .257 weatherby has the advantage on the .257 roberts, and I agree, its a hell of a round. Its definitely a deer and elk killer.
+1
Post by: JoshT on April 26, 2009, 02:04:05 PM
You don't GO to Africa to hunt Blesbok, eland, gemsbok, Kudu's and Wildebeest(Those are an added perk). I'm talking about cape's and elephants. Hunting a cape with a .257 anything is like a Junior High quarterback trying to play in the NFL. You're going to get hurt.
However, I will agree with you on it's capabilities to take any of the others.
That's why I said:
"or any other critter that can't stomp me into a puddle or eat me...
I'm pretty sure a buff or jumbo could stomp me into a fine paste... thereby disqualifying it from .25-06 consideration. I'd love to GO to Africa simply to hunt plains game... I've no interest in hunting buffs or elephants or lions... I'm pretty sure I could have an absolute ball hunting Jackals and Warthogs and other such 'second tier' game... I'm not a snob when it comes to what constitutes a 'trophy'.
As for elk... I still maintain a .257 Roberts plus a 100 TSX... will hammer on elk all the live long day.
Post by: Ghost1941 on April 26, 2009, 07:37:22 PM
You don't GO to Africa to hunt Blesbok, eland, gemsbok, Kudu's and Wildebeest(Those are an added perk). I'm talking about cape's and elephants. Hunting a cape with a .257 anything is like a Junior High quarterback trying to play in the NFL. You're going to get hurt.
However, I will agree with you on it's capabilities to take any of the others.
That's why I said:"or any other critter that can't stomp me into a puddle or eat me...
I'm pretty sure a buff or jumbo could stomp me into a fine paste... thereby disqualifying it from .25-06 consideration. I'd love to GO to Africa simply to hunt plains game... I've no interest in hunting buffs or elephants or lions... I'm pretty sure I could have an absolute ball hunting Jackals and Warthogs and other such 'second tier' game... I'm not a snob when it comes to what constitutes a 'trophy'.
As for elk... I still maintain a .257 Roberts plus a 100 TSX... will hammer on elk all the live long day.
Hehe, alright. Keep in mind I'm not criticizing you or the round. Just the way you worded that when you had originally stated it reminded me of a guy my great Uncle Dave had been an outfitter for. The guy was dead convinced his side by side 12 would take a Cape Buffalo, even after many attempts to convince this guy he was nuts he decided to try anyways. Needless to say, he got 2 shots, a pissed off Cape, and a guide who had to finish his game for him with a 375 HH.
Post by: JoshT on April 26, 2009, 07:56:24 PM
Post by: Ghost1941 on April 26, 2009, 09:35:36 PM
Post by: Slider on April 27, 2009, 04:06:35 PM
Post by: Bob33 on May 03, 2009, 09:36:41 PM
Of course it could work but isnt that a pointless subject in this state? .270 is the smallest caliber you can use for elk in this state isnt it?
.24 caliber is the smallest legal caliber for elk in Washington.
Post by: Bob33 on May 03, 2009, 09:42:22 PM
Post by: huntnphool on May 03, 2009, 09:46:39 PM
At 200 yards the 120 grain Nosler Partition load from Federal has 1470 ft/lbs of energy. Personally, I think that might kind of hurt.
Excellent round :tup: