Post by: hunter399 on April 08, 2021, 08:14:59 AM
I believe it applys to Washington Alot,even though this guy is in Canada.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on April 08, 2021, 09:26:02 AM
Post by: nwwanderer on April 08, 2021, 11:08:48 AM
Post by: logola512c on July 06, 2021, 09:52:04 AM
Post by: Loup Loup on July 06, 2021, 11:18:23 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on July 06, 2021, 12:31:29 PM
Post by: KFhunter on July 06, 2021, 01:17:09 PM
I think the guy in the video makes a couple illogical assumptions and conclusions. The problem he describes is one that was created by logging companies clearcutting and building roads where none existed in this mythical pristine forested valley. It's the logging roads, exacerbated by snowmobilers, that caused and led to the initial imbalance that he describes. Once that imbalance exists, he then criticizes the anti-hunters for not being ok with re-balancing the predator population. But I haven't met too many anti-hunters that aren't also anti-logging and anti-snowmobiles-in-the-woods-dripping-oil-and-scaring-wildlife. So while the anti-hunters aren't helping solve the problem created by others, they're certainly not, in my opinion, the cause of the wolf population exploding in this make-believe forested valley. Now, if we turn to the real world, outside that pristine valley, there may be a need to rebalance the wolf population -- but the argument in this video shouldn't convince anyone because it's not logically compelling.
You are correct in a lot of ways, snowmobile trails do increase wolf's reach and provide travel corridors for them. Never seen a snowmobile trail a wolf didn't love. I disagree on "oil dripping snowmobiles" never seen that, the trails are pristine now as older 2 strokes are worn out and much cleaner machines are on the trail. I digress...
Logging operations and roads also lend itself to wolf travel...
But I ask you this, why is it that wilderness is some of the most heavily impacted by wolves? There's no oil dripping chainsaws, no snowmobiles and no logging yet ungulates are hardest hit in pristine wilderness areas.
We cannot stop logging and move everyone to cities or restrict all recreation to human powered only..that's ridiculous.
So since we're on this landscape..and have done the things we've done... the only productive lens to look tbrough now is the lens looking forward, if we want lots of ungulates, we need lots of predator control.
It's that simple. Of course I'm for habitat improvements and common since management, I'm for multiple use lands and I don't want to reduce wilderness areas nor do I want federal lands transferred to the states or public...none of that is on the table and never was in a meaningful way..despite all the initial Trump bluster, it wasn't ever really on the table.
Post by: logola512c on July 06, 2021, 02:55:41 PM
I think the guy in the video makes a couple illogical assumptions and conclusions. The problem he describes is one that was created by logging companies clearcutting and building roads where none existed in this mythical pristine forested valley. It's the logging roads, exacerbated by snowmobilers, that caused and led to the initial imbalance that he describes. Once that imbalance exists, he then criticizes the anti-hunters for not being ok with re-balancing the predator population. But I haven't met too many anti-hunters that aren't also anti-logging and anti-snowmobiles-in-the-woods-dripping-oil-and-scaring-wildlife. So while the anti-hunters aren't helping solve the problem created by others, they're certainly not, in my opinion, the cause of the wolf population exploding in this make-believe forested valley. Now, if we turn to the real world, outside that pristine valley, there may be a need to rebalance the wolf population -- but the argument in this video shouldn't convince anyone because it's not logically compelling.
You are correct in a lot of ways, snowmobile trails do increase wolf's reach and provide travel corridors for them. Never seen a snowmobile trail a wolf didn't love. I disagree on "oil dripping snowmobiles" never seen that, the trails are pristine now as older 2 strokes are worn out and much cleaner machines are on the trail. I digress...
Logging operations and roads also lend itself to wolf travel...
But I ask you this, why is it that wilderness is some of the most heavily impacted by wolves? There's no oil dripping chainsaws, no snowmobiles and no logging yet ungulates are hardest hit in pristine wilderness areas.
We cannot stop logging and move everyone to cities or restrict all recreation to human powered only..that's ridiculous.
So since we're on this landscape..and have done the things we've done... the only productive lens to look tbrough now is the lens looking forward, if we want lots of ungulates, we need lots of predator control.
It's that simple. Of course I'm for habitat improvements and common since management, I'm for multiple use lands and I don't want to reduce wilderness areas nor do I want federal lands transferred to the states or public...none of that is on the table and never was in a meaningful way..despite all the initial Trump bluster, it wasn't ever really on the table.
I was just trying to parrot the anti-logger and anti-snowmobiler folks. I personally have no problem with either. I was only trying to point out the flaw in the videographer's logic in my post. And I've also harvested 5 bears the last 3 years so obviously no problem with predator hunters from me. Now if I could just find a cat in my cross hairs...at a nice safe 150 yards, before he sees me...
Post by: KFhunter on July 06, 2021, 03:44:40 PM