Post by: Slider on April 22, 2009, 08:01:57 PM
Post by: Todd_ID on April 23, 2009, 07:39:47 PM
The design is perfect, but the trajectory would suck. You'd have to mount a second peep just to get to 60 yards with your pins if you started at 20. Not much doubt that you'd break the toughest bone in an elk and keep on going, though. I'm liking the look of the Samauri 175 grain broadhead that they have instead of the 310 grain Ashby head. An Axis 300 arrow and 175 grain head would get it to about 550 grains overall. That would be a bit more reasonable for pin gaps and should still bust any bone in this state if you had the single bevel broadhead with a tanto tip. Broadhead design is very important when you make an OOPS shot and hit the shoulder blade.
http://www.alaskabowhunting.com/Broadheads-C15.aspx
Post by: Sneaky on April 23, 2009, 07:48:41 PM
Post by: bow-n-head on April 23, 2009, 08:26:43 PM
Post by: Todd_ID on April 23, 2009, 09:59:09 PM
I guess if u can afford to hunt Africa u can afford a 90 dollar broadhead :bash:
Yeah, but I would have a big taxidermy bill instead of a sob story about the monster bull that got away on a public land hunt if I would have been using better designed equipment with the same shot placement last year. At that point I would have paid any amount of money to get through that shoulder blade. Granted, it would have been much better to have not hit the shoulder, but sometimes stuff happens when you shoot, and there's a good chance that the $30 broadhead would have made it through when the Snuffer SS 3 blade didn't, solely based on a better design.
This year I plan I'm trying to be better prepared for the, "What if's". I've bowhunted for a long time and always wished for a better mousetrap that COULD help in those rare instances. Dr. Ashby's work proves, definitively, that there is good and bad broadhead design. I will be using the heads with the good design from now on if I can figure out how to afford it! So far, nobody that I've found makes a $10 single bevel two blade in those higher weights that I trust to fly well, so the only option is the $30 head. My :twocents: is that it's worth it.
Post by: Slider on April 24, 2009, 03:59:45 PM
http://www.german-kinetics.com/html/home.html
Post by: Todd_ID on April 24, 2009, 05:10:44 PM
Post by: bow-n-head on April 25, 2009, 09:36:59 PM
Post by: Hornseeker on April 27, 2009, 02:06:16 PM
Todd... et al... the funny thing is... the best head Ashby has ever tested is the big Grizzly and you can get 6 of them for $26!!! They are 190 grains... throw in a 75 grain steel adaptor and you are only at 265....
I think you'd be surprised at the trajectory with the 300 grain head... Doesn't hurt it too much unless you are out past 60 yards... in my opinion/findings....
Post by: LongTatLaw on July 10, 2009, 03:06:55 PM
I practice with my broad heads (well with same one) but cant afford 200$ for 3 practice and 3 hunt heads :bash:
Post by: Crunchy on July 10, 2009, 08:16:00 PM
Not to hijack but have you shared the story here before??? Shot distance, etc. I'd like some intel. I thought Snuffer's were decent heads?
Post by: Todd_ID on July 11, 2009, 10:12:33 AM
Not to hijack but have you shared the story here before??? Shot distance, etc. I'd like some intel. I thought Snuffer's were decent heads?
Haven't shared the story much because I'm not too proud of it. In Idaho, I called a serious thumper bull in last September. He stopped at 5 or 6 yards, quartering towards sharp, about 8' elevation change, very steep. I was at full draw when he stopped and put the shot on the exact hair that I wanted too. His leg was in the wrong position pushing the heavy part of the shoulder bone forward. The arrow only got a few inches of penetration. I never found a drop of blood, my arrow or the elk. I looked for the remaining 2 days of the season, came back a week later, and then came back 2 weeks later. I was using 125 grain Magnus Snuffer SS on an Easton Axis. I've got a theory that the shot may have been too close, i.e., the arrow didn't have time to stabilize into straight flight and therefore didn't have the momentum going in the right direction to penetrate. I didn't have time to get my video camera set up, and the camera guy had already left for another hunt, so I don't have any video of the shot to know for sure what happened. I now own a dozen of the 190 grain Grizzly broadheads and 100 grain adapters for a 290 grain head with lots of science behind it that would probably have killed that bull with that same exact shot placement.
Post by: Crunchy on July 11, 2009, 10:18:48 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on July 11, 2009, 10:20:16 AM
http://www.alaskabowhunting.com/Ashby-Single-Bevel-Broadheads-P147C15.aspx
Im trying out some silver flames this year..and yes they are the sharpest things I have ever seen..even sharper than knives and scalpels :dunno:
Post by: TeacherMan on July 11, 2009, 10:30:18 AM
Post by: Todd_ID on July 11, 2009, 12:43:18 PM
Post by: bearpaw on July 11, 2009, 01:08:18 PM
Went right through my muskox shoulder blade....shot him there on purpose because I had faith in the broadhead. When we went to the south pacific with our bows, my arm got messed up and I only arrowed one animal, but my buddy got 9 animals with his bow including a huge scrub bull that must have weighed 1200-1500 pounds. We were shooting muzzys.
Post by: coachcw on July 13, 2009, 05:45:54 PM
Post by: Todd_ID on July 13, 2009, 06:08:07 PM
I've shot the hellfire 150's on a 2419 , that's a deadly combo at 670 grains plus you get the side bleeder . why would you need a heavier combo for that on elk.
The simple answer is you most likely don't. My setup will be 657 grains flying at 239 fps this year. That should be more than enough for my tastebuds to savor elk meat through the year, even if I mess up and hit the shoulder bone again.