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Title: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: jbeaumont21 on May 08, 2021, 12:45:45 PM
Not sure if I posted this in the right place and surprised this hasn’t been posted yet if it hasn’t. I’m all for it! Would be great if more western states followed suit.

https://apple.news/Aspp__60wRKi0wQEJBc4MRg

Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: trophyhunt on May 08, 2021, 12:53:28 PM
I sure hope this is real!!!!!  Can you imagine!!! The turn around in elk/deer populations should be dramatic if they kill 90%!
Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: HAGEMANIAC on May 08, 2021, 12:59:13 PM
I sure hope this is real!!!!!  Can you imagine!!! The turn around in elk/deer populations should be dramatic if they kill 90%!

 Guess someone realized they will make a lot more money on deer and elk tags than they do wolf.  Who knew!?   :dunno:
Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: jbeaumont21 on May 08, 2021, 01:09:38 PM
Finally we have people with common sense taking real action! I scoff at the article overall as it’s obviously agenda driven. I think most hunters and outdoorsmen can see past the rhetorics and agree with this bill. Wish WA and OR would grow some nuts and do the same. I think wolves have their place in our chain of wildlife but so far it has been so obviously mismanaged. Good on Idaho for taking this on!
Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: trophyhunt on May 08, 2021, 01:14:51 PM
...and in the mean time here in wa they say the wolf population has gone up 24%.  We are heading the opposite direction and we may never have a gov in the future to take such action.
Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: Mtnwalker on May 08, 2021, 01:27:32 PM
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,260251.0.html

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,260230.0.html

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,258480.0.html

This is at least the 4th thread about it. I'd love to see the wolves thinned out but there are lots of downsides to this bill
Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: jbeaumont21 on May 08, 2021, 02:16:26 PM
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,260251.0.html

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,260230.0.html

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,258480.0.html

This is at least the 4th thread about it. I'd love to see the wolves thinned out but there are lots of downsides to this bill

Sorry I didn’t see the other threads. I did a quick search for wolf/wolves Idaho and didn’t see anything recent so assumed it hadn’t been posted. Guess I didn’t do a thorough search. Surprised that hasn’t gotten more traction. Everyone is so caught up in Covid talk I guess.
Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: RB on May 08, 2021, 03:31:48 PM
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,260251.0.html

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,260230.0.html

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,258480.0.html

This is at least the 4th thread about it. I'd love to see the wolves thinned out but there are lots of downsides to this bill

Have not seen the bill, what are downsides to this?
Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: elkboy on May 08, 2021, 04:24:52 PM
The bill opens the door to poison, among other things.  I work out in those lands, often with my dog in tow (or rather, bounding ahead of me).  I appreciate the need to manage wolves, but poison is a terrible choice due to potential for impacts on non-target species (and it's just a nasty way to kill creatures, in my opinion). 
Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: Mudman on May 08, 2021, 04:36:16 PM
Great grand dads used poison...  I trust in their knowledge, not ours.  It sucks but works.
Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: KFhunter on May 08, 2021, 04:38:36 PM
Poison is a great management tool but I can see the concerns, also the ease in which the antis can cause fear and doubts as to its use.

I would hope that lots of signage, public info statements and limited to remote areas hardest hit by wolves would limit the risks.

Also keep in mind lot's of wolves all over are also a big risk to your K9 friends.


I suspect this is m44 cyanide "bombs" as NYtimes likes to say.
Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: bornhunter on May 08, 2021, 05:16:04 PM
Wa being a sanctuary state for wolves surprised they dont trap em and bring them here.
Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: grundy53 on May 08, 2021, 05:57:48 PM
Can't read that article. Is there any other articles that talk about this?

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Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: idaho guy on May 08, 2021, 10:03:15 PM
The bill opens the door to poison, among other things.  I work out in those lands, often with my dog in tow (or rather, bounding ahead of me).  I appreciate the need to manage wolves, but poison is a terrible choice due to potential for impacts on non-target species (and it's just a nasty way to kill creatures, in my opinion).
 

 :yeah:
Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: idaho guy on May 08, 2021, 10:08:40 PM
Poison is a great management tool but I can see the concerns, also the ease in which the antis can cause fear and doubts as to its use.

I would hope that lots of signage, public info statements and limited to remote areas hardest hit by wolves would limit the risks.

Also keep in mind lot's of wolves all over are also a big risk to your K9 friends.

I think I already had one of my hounds poisoned by some one trying to poison wolves illegally. Poison will kill all bears lions and other predators in the area. Idaho doesn’t need less lions or bears we just need less wolves.  Poison is super effective but I think it’s a terrible idea I hope it doesn’t go there

Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: X-Force on May 08, 2021, 10:28:22 PM
Poison is a straight up dumb idea. And bringing the population back down to the minimum to keep it off of the ESA does not sound like an option or intent. When people say 1500 and 150. The press just read between the lines to say 90%, it makes for a splashier headline.

Liberal seasons, bag limits for both trapping and hunting should be employed.
Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: jstone on May 08, 2021, 10:36:28 PM
So the ranchers and hunters don’t put enough dent in them? Is it year around?
Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: KFhunter on May 08, 2021, 10:57:50 PM
Ranchers, hunters, trappers and everyone else.

Hunting elk there were traps literally everywhere, one of my hunting buddies stepped in one, very well traveled area with lots of people and still I seen wolves numerous times.

Trapping is actually counterproductive as everyone is trapping, not doing it right, and making it harder for all.

People shooting wolves drove them more nocturnal and they hold tighter to denser cover.

I've always said hunting, sss, trapping cumulatively isn't going to be enough. It's going to take state action and things like poison and shooting from helos, seems I'm proving right.  If Idaho couldn't do it, WA is screwed.
Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: bearpaw on May 09, 2021, 02:02:16 AM
In the newsletter from the Idaho State Representative in my district:

The last few days the Senate passed S 1211 which is a bill that provides more tools to help control the wolf population.  Most Idahoans believe that we have too many wolves.  The current population is estimated is 1750 wolves and that population is growing by about 30% per year.  Governor signed S 1211 on May 6th.  The State has been criticized for this new bill by many groups.  Newspaper articles have stated that we are trying to reduce the population by 90%.  This is not true, but we didn’t handle the public relations of the new bill as well as we should have.  The wolf plan that was written in 2002 called for Idaho to have 150 wolves and the wolf lovers are using this number to install fear in the general public about this new legislation.  The goal is to stabilize the population.  No one wants to see the wolves relisted as endangered species.
 





Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 09, 2021, 06:09:58 AM
$1,000 Bounty ?   
Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: KFhunter on May 09, 2021, 06:35:34 AM
They already have:

https://www.foundationforwildlifemanagement.org/

Which I'm a donor and member that is compensating trappers and hunters up to I think $1000 per wolf.


The cool thing is they're increasing the "bounty" in targeted zones of heavier wolf impact zones.

(https://www.foundationforwildlifemanagement.org/resources/Pictures/IDFG%20Map.png)
Title: Re: Idaho to kill 90 percent of wolves
Post by: jstone on May 09, 2021, 08:41:30 AM
I know I saw lots of sign in the North part of 39 a couple years ago. If there is a bounty I will go back for sure!!
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