Post by: Bogie85 on June 12, 2021, 09:56:12 PM
Anyways, my question is. Does a mineral lick count as bait?
Post by: cem3434 on June 12, 2021, 09:58:45 PM
Post by: BD1 on June 12, 2021, 10:27:17 PM
Post by: Bogie85 on June 12, 2021, 11:37:41 PM
If you put something out to attract and animal it is bait...doesn't matter what animal it attacks...still bait
Good to know, what’s your thoughts on if the bear isn’t using it. But there is a game trail heavily used by all the animals and you are out hunting deer and a bear or cougar walks by. Is it not legal anymore just because you are hunting on a bait site even if the bear hasn’t used it on camera once?
Post by: headshot5 on June 13, 2021, 06:17:38 AM
Post by: h20hunter on June 13, 2021, 07:11:02 AM
Post by: Alan K on June 13, 2021, 07:23:57 AM
Post by: LabChamp on June 13, 2021, 08:32:18 AM
Believe it says bait piles have to be separated by 200 yards. If that's the number for being separate, that should be how far you have to be from it to not be considered baiting. Since 200 yards is good enough to not be in violation of the baiting maximums. :dunno:
I’d call WDFW instead of asking on a forum. The way I read the comment above would make me think if I had a deer bait and set up 200 yards away and a bear came in I could shoot. I don’t think that would fly if you shot a bear and got checked in that scenario. I could be wrong too. That’s why it’s always better to talk to the source for the straight answer.
Post by: hunter399 on June 13, 2021, 08:39:06 AM
I would like to add .........Believe it says bait piles have to be separated by 200 yards. If that's the number for being separate, that should be how far you have to be from it to not be considered baiting. Since 200 yards is good enough to not be in violation of the baiting maximums. :dunno:
I’d call WDFW instead of asking on a forum. The way I read the comment above would make me think if I had a deer bait and set up 200 yards away and a bear came in I could shoot. I don’t think that would fly if you shot a bear and got checked in that scenario. I could be wrong too. That’s why it’s always better to talk to the source for the straight answer.
Get the name of the person you talk to.
Emails are like gold ,cause then you have the answer,name,number,email address,and a very tiny piece of accountability. Proof of contact,ECT,ECT.
With all that said .....
I'm curious what the answer is from enforcement department would say?
Maybe one of the wardens that are on huntwa will chime in. :dunno: :dunno: :dunno:
I'm thinking it's all about evidence ,what a warden can prove that you did or didn't do.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 13, 2021, 10:06:07 AM
Believe it says bait piles have to be separated by 200 yards. If that's the number for being separate, that should be how far you have to be from it to not be considered baiting. Since 200 yards is good enough to not be in violation of the baiting maximums. :dunno:
I’d call WDFW instead of asking on a forum. The way I read the comment above would make me think if I had a deer bait and set up 200 yards away and a bear came in I could shoot. I don’t think that would fly if you shot a bear and got checked in that scenario. I could be wrong too. That’s why it’s always better to talk to the source for the straight answer.
:yeah: and get it in writing. I'd assume nothing when it comes to baiting. :dunno:
Post by: Alan K on June 13, 2021, 11:13:32 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 13, 2021, 12:13:38 PM
The real answer is it'd be up to an officers discretion. Probably wouldn't get prosecuted in this day and age anyhow, but if it did I would think it would be fairly easy to get off on. Seems anything that doesn't have a well defined rule that can be referenced is let go. The 200 yard thing is the only actual distance related to baiting that is in the rules as far as I know. :dunno:
Sorry, but he's not talking about participating in a BLM or ANTIFA riot. Wildlife crimes are being prosecuted. If you subscribe to Facebook, you should follow the WDFW LE page.
Post by: Bogie85 on June 13, 2021, 03:17:59 PM
Thanks everyone I will update as soon as I get more info.
Post by: Alan K on June 13, 2021, 03:36:36 PM
The real answer is it'd be up to an officers discretion. Probably wouldn't get prosecuted in this day and age anyhow, but if it did I would think it would be fairly easy to get off on. Seems anything that doesn't have a well defined rule that can be referenced is let go. The 200 yard thing is the only actual distance related to baiting that is in the rules as far as I know. :dunno:
Sorry, but he's not talking about participating in a BLM or ANTIFA riot. Wildlife crimes are being prosecuted. If you subscribe to Facebook, you should follow the WDFW LE page.
Do you realize how many fish and game officers have given in up in recent years because of the lack of prosecution on open and shut cases?
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 13, 2021, 06:45:14 PM
The real answer is it'd be up to an officers discretion. Probably wouldn't get prosecuted in this day and age anyhow, but if it did I would think it would be fairly easy to get off on. Seems anything that doesn't have a well defined rule that can be referenced is let go. The 200 yard thing is the only actual distance related to baiting that is in the rules as far as I know. :dunno:
Sorry, but he's not talking about participating in a BLM or ANTIFA riot. Wildlife crimes are being prosecuted. If you subscribe to Facebook, you should follow the WDFW LE page.
Do you realize how many fish and game officers have given in up in recent years because of the lack of prosecution on open and shut cases?
No, how many?
Post by: SGTDuffman on June 13, 2021, 07:19:41 PM
Post by: Machias on June 13, 2021, 08:39:45 PM
Post by: hunter399 on June 13, 2021, 08:44:10 PM
Top of page 86.Top of page 86 .
Tells Alot about deer and elk baiting.
I still have a few questions.
1) Hunting or harvesting a bear over a deer/elk bait site is illegal .
So how far do you have to be from a known bait site?
2)It says above exceptions ,cover scents and scents that can't be consumed are not bait.
Does this apply to just deer/elk baiting?
Can you dump a gallon of just anis oil,or vanilla oil or something like that for bear and not be considered bait.
3)Laws for baiting deer/elk and bear are way different.
Little more specific on that in the regs would be nice.
I'm pretty sure a few bear every year are taken over deer/elk bait sites with no one being the wise.
I guess what I'm saying is ,
A reminder in the deer/elk baiting section saying that these only apply to deer/elk baiting ,Baiting or hunting bears over deer/elk baits is illegal ,that all bear baiting laws still apply at deer/elk baiting sites.And reference to the bear baiting rcw.
Might be a good idea.
Post by: SGTDuffman on June 13, 2021, 10:22:22 PM
https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=77.15.245
RCW 77.15.245
Unlawful practices—Black bear baiting—Exceptions—Illegal hunting—Use of dogs—Exceptions—Penalties.
(1) Notwithstanding the provisions of RCW 77.12.240, 77.36.030, or any other provisions of law, it is unlawful to take, hunt, or attract black bear with the aid of bait.
(a) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the killing of black bear with the aid of bait by employees or agents of county, state, or federal agencies while acting in their official capacities for the purpose of protecting livestock, domestic animals, private property, or the public safety.
(b) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prevent the establishment and operation of feeding stations for black bear in order to prevent damage to commercial timberland.
(c) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the director from issuing a permit or memorandum of understanding to a public agency, university, or scientific or educational institution for the use of bait to attract black bear for scientific purposes.
(d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.
(2) Notwithstanding RCW 77.12.240, 77.36.030, or any other provisions of law, it is unlawful to hunt or pursue black bear, cougar, or bobcat with the aid of a dog or dogs.
(a) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the hunting of black bear, cougar, or bobcat with the aid of a dog or dogs by employees or agents of county, state, or federal agencies while acting in their official capacities for the purpose of protecting livestock, domestic animals, private property, or the public safety. A dog or dogs may be used by the owner or tenant of real property consistent with a permit issued and conditioned by the director.
(b) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the director from issuing a permit or memorandum of understanding to a public agency, university, or scientific or educational institution for the use of a dog or dogs for the pursuit, capture and relocation, of black bear, cougar, or bobcat for scientific purposes.
(c) Nothing in this subsection shall be construed to prohibit the director from issuing a permit or memorandum of understanding to a public agency, university, or scientific or educational institution for the use of a dog or dogs for the killing of black bear, cougar, or bobcat, for the protection of a state and/or federally listed threatened or endangered species.
(d) Nothing in this subsection may be construed to prohibit nonlethal pursuit training of dogs by persons selected through the process established in RCW 77.12.077 for future use for the purpose of protecting livestock, domestic animals, private property, or the public safety.
(3) Notwithstanding subsection (2) of this section, the commission may authorize the use of dogs only in selected areas within a game management unit to address a public safety need presented by one or more cougar. This authority may only be exercised after the commission has determined that no other practical alternative to the use of dogs exists, and after the commission has adopted rules describing the conditions in which dogs may be used. Conditions that may warrant the use of dogs within a game management unit include, but are not limited to, confirmed cougar/human safety incidents, confirmed cougar/livestock and cougar/pet depredations, and the number of cougar capture attempts and relocations.
(4) A person who violates subsection (1) or (2) of this section is guilty of a gross misdemeanor. In addition to appropriate criminal penalties, the department shall revoke the hunting license of a person who violates subsection (1) or (2) of this section and order the suspension of wildlife hunting privileges for a period of five years following the revocation. Following a subsequent violation of subsection (1) or (2) of this section by the same person, a hunting license shall not be issued to the person at any time.
[ 2019 c 226 § 2; 2005 c 107 § 1; 2001 c 253 § 31. Prior: 2000 c 248 § 1; 2000 c 107 § 260; 1997 c 1 § 1 (Initiative Measure No. 655, approved November 5, 1996). Formerly RCW 77.16.360.]
Post by: Bogie85 on June 14, 2021, 01:22:36 AM
There is NO distance when it comes to shooting a bear with bait. If you place a bait and it affects the travel of the bear and attracts it to your bait, it is illegal to take that bear. I got this straight from a warden a while back. My scenario was a friend of mine had a deer bait set up, that was quickly taken over by the bears. He removed all the bait and it appeared the bears had cleaned up the rest, but were still coming by to check it out. I asked how far away could I set up and not get in a jam. One of the bears was a HUGE bear. Didn't matter how far and it didn't matter the bait had been removed or eaten. He said if the Wardens were watching the site and I ended up shooting a bear that was attracted to the area, I could be cited.
Thank you for sharing this information, I did reach out to Wdfw. The weird thing is, The bear came in bit my camera and left. Never touched the salt licks or other bait. I have loads of pictures of elk and deer eating the bait. But the trails nearby is heavily used by all the wildlife. There are so many rules as a new hunter that are about as clear as mud. I have never had this problem with fishing yet, but hunting it sure seems like they just don’t want you to hunt at all.
Post by: hunter399 on June 14, 2021, 03:36:12 AM
If you fart really hard and let a stinker out,and it attracts a bear your baiting. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 14, 2021, 05:55:43 AM
Post by: huntnnw on June 14, 2021, 05:57:54 AM
Post by: Alan K on June 14, 2021, 06:15:55 AM
The real answer is it'd be up to an officers discretion. Probably wouldn't get prosecuted in this day and age anyhow, but if it did I would think it would be fairly easy to get off on. Seems anything that doesn't have a well defined rule that can be referenced is let go. The 200 yard thing is the only actual distance related to baiting that is in the rules as far as I know. :dunno:
Sorry, but he's not talking about participating in a BLM or ANTIFA riot. Wildlife crimes are being prosecuted. If you subscribe to Facebook, you should follow the WDFW LE page.
Do you realize how many fish and game officers have given in up in recent years because of the lack of prosecution on open and shut cases?
No, how many?
I know of two personally just in the Puget Sound area, and the sentiment is widespread. Some are deciding to drag it out if they are close to retirement. The stories are stomach turning what doesn't even get prosecuted. It is destroys morale when these guys put together seemingly bulletproof cases only to have them dropped. Even when open and shut. Does WDFW's Facebook page talk about all of these? Share what percentage of their cases actually get heard? I don't have Facebook, but I would guess not...
SGTDuffman's WAC posting there shows exactly what we all know, and the intention of I-655. Getting a judge, or rather prosecutors to take up cases like this is a whole different story. A lot of them want to protect their record to later move into private practice. As subjective as the language is, and hearing about the cases that don't even get the time of day, it would be unlikely they'd want to press it. WDFW needs to define things clearer (or press the powers that be to) or they will continue to get dropped. The justice system looks for any little reason to drop cases anymore (yes, fish and wildlife cases included), and ambiguity or subjectiveness in the laws are one of their favorite things to point at.
Post by: pianoman9701 on June 14, 2021, 09:23:45 AM
The real answer is it'd be up to an officers discretion. Probably wouldn't get prosecuted in this day and age anyhow, but if it did I would think it would be fairly easy to get off on. Seems anything that doesn't have a well defined rule that can be referenced is let go. The 200 yard thing is the only actual distance related to baiting that is in the rules as far as I know. :dunno:
Sorry, but he's not talking about participating in a BLM or ANTIFA riot. Wildlife crimes are being prosecuted. If you subscribe to Facebook, you should follow the WDFW LE page.
Do you realize how many fish and game officers have given in up in recent years because of the lack of prosecution on open and shut cases?
No, how many?
I know of two personally just in the Puget Sound area, and the sentiment is widespread. Some are deciding to drag it out if they are close to retirement. The stories are stomach turning what doesn't even get prosecuted. It is destroys morale when these guys put together seemingly bulletproof cases only to have them dropped. Even when open and shut. Does WDFW's Facebook page talk about all of these? Share what percentage of their cases actually get heard? I don't have Facebook, but I would guess not...
SGTDuffman's WAC posting there shows exactly what we all know, and the intention of I-655. Getting a judge, or rather prosecutors to take up cases like this is a whole different story. A lot of them want to protect their record to later move into private practice. As subjective as the language is, and hearing about the cases that don't even get the time of day, it would be unlikely they'd want to press it. WDFW needs to define things clearer (or press the powers that be to) or they will continue to get dropped. The justice system looks for any little reason to drop cases anymore (yes, fish and wildlife cases included), and ambiguity or subjectiveness in the laws are one of their favorite things to point at.
Interesting. I know Todd V. was quite bothered by the system in place. Thanks for your response.
Post by: Bogie85 on June 14, 2021, 09:52:43 AM
Looks like my answer is up in the RCW for bear baiting.
If you fart really hard and let a stinker out,and it attracts a bear your baiting. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
If it lingered that much, wouldn’t that be a shart? Better bring an extra pair of underpants. :P Yeah it seems pretty strict, and silly tbh being that there are a lot more bear then people even think in these woods the trail cams tell the true story they are just good at hiding.
Post by: Bogie85 on June 14, 2021, 09:57:58 AM
So basically, if you were walking to towards your bait and it was 2 miles back but that bear was facing the direction of your bait, it could potentially be perceived as baiting. Would they do anything with something so egregious? Not likely, but it’s good to know.
Post by: Stein on June 14, 2021, 10:36:35 AM
There really needs to be a distance in the WDFW rules, we all know baiting bears means pretty much shooting them when they are at or 10' away from the barrel of donuts and they could easily issue department rules to make it easy on the legal hunter and warden. But, they don't which isn't much of a surprise I guess.
Post by: Bogie85 on June 14, 2021, 11:37:00 AM
That's probably one of the reasons stuff doesn't get prosecuted, the law is so poorly written as to be difficult to enforce. I wonder how many people just bait their buddy's area and then they can easily just say they had no idea it was there.
There really needs to be a distance in the WDFW rules, we all know baiting bears means pretty much shooting them when they are at or 10' away from the barrel of donuts and they could easily issue department rules to make it easy on the legal hunter and warden. But, they don't which isn't much of a surprise I guess.
I agree, too much of a grey area. Shooting something on or over bait, I totally get that. But if it's on the way, and you bump it and get a shot it seems unreasonable to not allow it.
Post by: Stein on June 14, 2021, 11:47:34 AM
Post by: Farmer72 on June 14, 2021, 12:05:36 PM
And no I wouldn't actually do that.
And I am aware points dont mean *censored* in this state.
Post by: Bogie85 on June 14, 2021, 12:18:36 PM
So what I hear is if I buy a couple dozen doughnuts and randomly throw them around an area people bear hunt I can turn them in for baiting and maybe get enough points to have a 1% better chance of drawing a moose tag. :chuckle:
And no I wouldn't actually do that.
And I am aware points dont mean *censored* in this state.
I mean theoretically yes, but if you did that I hope someone poops in your wheaties ;). Being a new hunter, and learning all of this stuff. I definitely see a lot of people heated and upset about the system in general. Me? I am just happy I finally get to go hunting, after 15 years of trying to get out and not knowing where to start I am just super thankful to even have the chance at all.
Post by: slowhand on June 14, 2021, 02:01:08 PM
Post by: 85yota on June 15, 2021, 03:25:04 PM
As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.
Post by: 85yota on June 15, 2021, 03:32:06 PM
Post by: idaho guy on June 15, 2021, 05:13:13 PM
Post by: GWP on June 15, 2021, 06:51:44 PM
Looks like my answer is up in the RCW for bear baiting.
If you fart really hard and let a stinker out,and it attracts a bear your baiting. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Wife said if I did that it would kill everything within a quarter mile radius!
Post by: GWP on June 15, 2021, 07:02:58 PM
Went a ways, thought about turning around, then went another 50 feet just over a rise. Big HUGE pile of donuts right on the trail.
I bailed and did not go back even though I saw bear sign.
That is the problem. If I had shot a bear ANYWHERE near that pile, even without knowing about it, I could be cited, or worse. That would suck!
Post by: 85yota on June 15, 2021, 08:37:50 PM
Post by: Bogie85 on June 16, 2021, 01:21:07 AM
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Post by: Bogie85 on June 16, 2021, 01:27:39 AM
I would personally feel comfortable shooting a bear 200 yards or more away from a bait. I baited a really remote unit legally for bear in Idaho a few years ago. I had amazing bait cream pies donuts etc. the huckleberries were out big time and there were many bears around. Only one came to check out the bait for a few minutes. It was easier to shoot a bear away from the bait and they were totally focused on the berries. If you are really only baiting deer or elk and shoot a bear well away from that bait I would hope a warden would use some common sense. If you set a bait and bears are hitting it every day and then sit 200 yards away on a well beaten bear trail. Then you’re breaking the law and should get a ticket. I don’t know seems like common sense would keep you out of trouble. I don’t know if they are going to write tickets if you are anywhere around any baits that have been in the last month I would bear hunt a completely different area from your deer elk spot. It’s written so broadly that again common sense should apply. you would know 100 percent if the bears were hitting on your baits regular if they are don’t shoot. If you randomly bump one well away from bait that seems like fair game ? Interesting topic I’m glad I don’t have to deal with it.
That’s kind of how I saw it, I have proof they never have been on or over the bait. One bear kicked the salt lick and never touched it again. I had 260 photos over 3-4 weeks, 90% were elk and deer with one bear coming down the trail or messing up a tree away from my bait. The game trail is definitely heavily used by all the animals, but I never once saw the bear. And all the bear scat in the area has no corn, or apples. The freshest pile looked to have rabbit fur in it. Time will tell, I will try to use my best judgement my main goal is deer this year and if I get lucky and an elk wanders in I will happily take that. But the bear I will just have to bump him no where near the bait station.
Post by: Bogie85 on June 16, 2021, 01:31:29 AM
GWP I guess that is kinda the point.. The law cant be to specific because they could never actually prove it was you who did it (cams maybe but trail cam film is suspect in court).. So they leave it up to the warden, but in your case that would be tossed out of court immediately whether you did or not because there's no proof u placed the bait.. Would love to look up the number of bear baiting prosecutions given out each year that aren't related to poaching
In my experience, when a law isn’t well defined. It makes it hard to prosecute, and from What I have been told by other friends in the police force (obviously not the same). Typically a grey area law, is made because no one really agrees with it. Except the voters, so it’s a way to shut the public down because the law exists. But makes it near impossible for any officer to prosecute it due to lots of wiggle room. Anyways, I don’t know if that’s 100% true, it’s just what I have been told in the past.
Post by: hunter399 on June 16, 2021, 03:22:47 AM
That RCW for baiting bears is pretty cut and dry and really has nothing to do with baiting for deer and Elk.
Post by: 85yota on June 16, 2021, 05:57:34 PM
Post by: GWP on June 16, 2021, 06:20:12 PM
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Post by: Bogie85 on June 18, 2021, 12:44:57 AM
Washington has some pretty goofy rules for hunting and fishing. Makes it difficult to figure out for the ‘newbies’ that either move here or are just getting into hunting. After a decade or so you start to get a ‘feel’ for it!
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Seems about right lol, I am 5 years into hunting and hunting Washington. The mud is slightly clearer, :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: hunter399 on June 18, 2021, 05:31:42 AM
With all this talk about it. I'm going to throw a few thing into the pot. I'm not encourage illegal acts.
With that said.......
Can a warden read your SD card.
Is your cam in a lock box.
Is there pics of yourself dropping bait at your site.
Is your bait just salt or mineral or are you dropping sweet cob and deer blocks,Apple scented corn.
Do you post everything you do on Facebook,huntwa,internet ECT.
I ask these because Alot of wardens are not gonna put the time and energy into it.But they will use evidence that is already at your bait site.
With that on the table I believe in accountability,you are responsible for your own actions.
Now ask yourself is it worth it.........
gross misdemeanor:
A gross misdemeanor is any crime that isn't classified as a plain misdemeanor or a felony in Washington. The maximum punishment for a gross misdemeanor is 364 days in county jail and/or a fine of up to $5,000. Examples of gross misdemeanors include: violating certain provisions in a domestic violence protective order.
Loss of hunting privaleges for 5 years ,possibly your rifle or bow taken as evidence.
Now just to keep this topic going ,I have heard in certain circles of friends. About this person shooting a bear from there deer stand Durring bow season.Im sure it has happened Durring rifle and muzzy as well. Just not enough enforcement to watch the thousands of bait sites all over Washington. I don't believe anybody is baiting bears till the second they drop the hammer on a bear at a bait site.All it takes is that one time that your site is being watched.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 18, 2021, 05:37:46 AM
Post by: hunter399 on June 18, 2021, 05:44:20 AM
More so it takes someone to complain about your site and that you are baiting bears. Thats because there isn't enough wardens for them to be out looking for baiting sites. They are too busy with office work and have very little time in the field these days or like I see them doing near me just sitting in the shade in their trucks.Totally agree .......
Enforcement is stretched thin.
I would rather see enforcement worry about some other issues than deer and elk bait sites.
But we all know you might have one warden look the other way or not give a rats @$!. Then some want first blood and will bend you over for anything.
Post by: dilleytech on June 18, 2021, 09:13:02 AM
If a bear walks by me when I’m out walking in the woods I’m shooting it. If they say that bear was going to a bait I’ll see them in court and likely I will win. But a good warden wouldn’t even bother because he probably knows the majority of bears in this state get killed on this sort of fashion and who cares really.
Post by: Stein on June 18, 2021, 09:21:34 AM
To throw another wrench into this discussion. Let’s say you’re out huntin,you see bear sign so you sit down and start blowing on your rabbit in distress call. Bear comes running in you shoot it. Just so happens that bear was eating on someone’s deer bait that you were unaware of. Did you just break a law? I assume a warden would say your fine but how do you prove you actually called him in? I think the majority of the time you just don’t have to worry about these small things in the laws. If your obviously baiting bear for the purpose of harvesting bear you will get nailed if caught. But how do you get caught? Someone turns you in. What are the odds of that?
If a bear walks by me when I’m out walking in the woods I’m shooting it. If they say that bear was going to a bait I’ll see them in court and likely I will win. But a good warden wouldn’t even bother because he probably knows the majority of bears in this state get killed on this sort of fashion and who cares really.
You wouldn't be breaking the law. If you were ticketed you would have the option of paying it or going to court and having the state prove you intentionally baited the bear.
Post by: hunter399 on June 18, 2021, 01:43:47 PM
Agreed no not breaking any laws.To throw another wrench into this discussion. Let’s say you’re out huntin,you see bear sign so you sit down and start blowing on your rabbit in distress call. Bear comes running in you shoot it. Just so happens that bear was eating on someone’s deer bait that you were unaware of. Did you just break a law? I assume a warden would say your fine but how do you prove you actually called him in? I think the majority of the time you just don’t have to worry about these small things in the laws. If your obviously baiting bear for the purpose of harvesting bear you will get nailed if caught. But how do you get caught? Someone turns you in. What are the odds of that?
If a bear walks by me when I’m out walking in the woods I’m shooting it. If they say that bear was going to a bait I’ll see them in court and likely I will win. But a good warden wouldn’t even bother because he probably knows the majority of bears in this state get killed on this sort of fashion and who cares really.
You wouldn't be breaking the law. If you were ticketed you would have the option of paying it or going to court and having the state prove you intentionally baited the bear.
But if some circumstances change maybe.
Basically a few things have to happen.
1) You have to set bait.(doesn't matter intended target animal)
2)Be actively hunting bear within a reasonable distance to bait.(Harvest of bear is pretty hard to lie and say not hunting bear)
3)Warden has to prove you did these things.By witnessed it or trail cam or whatever.
So like the story above if a warden could prove those where your bait sites and not just someone's bait site.
That's the difference in the story illegal vs legal.
These are reasons basically to try an avoid being on someone's game came or bait site cam,with bait in your hand.
There are Alot of cams out from Johnny law to timber company's,on and on .I try as hard as I can to avoid others cams.
Post by: hunter399 on June 18, 2021, 01:56:40 PM
You set a trail cam with salt out today.
Then you go back to check end of July notice you have way to many bears.
Go back August 1 within a 1/4 mile of your cam setup and start blowing a distress call.
Bear come in you shoot it.
End of July warden noticed your truck and finds your cam download pics of you at the site.
Comes back August 1 and see your pickup decided to walk in and talk with ya after hearing a shot.
August only Big game open is bear.
Are you legal vs illegal and why!
To add bear was shot exactly 1/4 mile from bait site,your case and blood show the warden where bear was and from where you shot from.
Salt is a bait.
Tell you guys truth I don't know answer.
Post by: Stein on June 18, 2021, 06:52:49 PM
That said I wouldn’t bait if there was any chance of bear hunting.
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Post by: hunter399 on June 19, 2021, 01:05:28 PM
Warden did an illegal search and seizure to get the pics.I don't know if warden checking someone's SD card
That said I wouldn’t bait if there was any chance of bear hunting.
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Would be illegal search and seizure .
Since your game cam is on public land.
Maybe on private land you could say that.
I really don't know though I'm not a lawyer.
That was something I didn't really think about.
That's another circumstance
Post by: Stein on June 19, 2021, 01:18:12 PM
Of course, the warden could come up with probable cause whether that's legit or not depends on the warden.
Post by: rickomatic on August 04, 2021, 06:42:48 PM
Post by: dilleytech on August 05, 2021, 11:25:54 AM
When I had a couple bears tearing up my bed hives in Snohomish a few years ago I called the Mill Creek WDFW office for some info. The captain in charge told me I was totally within the law to shoot and tag one and that beehives were exempt from the baiting regulations.
Yes because they would be considered agriculture. Similar to a Apple orchard. Or alfalfa field.
Post by: spin05 on August 06, 2021, 12:36:40 AM
Post by: slowhand on August 06, 2021, 10:51:33 AM
So My hunting partner and I will be heading up this weekend to hunt bear in the area where our three bait station/cameras are set up. We have zero plans to hunt over our bait for bear (illegal) but we plan to rebait and pull cards form all three while in the area bear hunting? So..... If we have giant bags of apples strapped to our packs and are carrying our rifle to said bait stations to pull the cards and rebait? All sorts of illegal? LOL
So if we want to rebait and pull cards we need to leave our rifles in the truck hike all the way in to each ( multiple mlles to each one) and burn hunting time? :'(
I don't see another option? I'm completely new to bait and cameras. so what do you guys do, during this time of the year?
Post by: HillHound on August 06, 2021, 11:01:11 AM
Post by: Cougartail on August 06, 2021, 11:05:08 AM
Looking for some input on this one.
So My hunting partner and I will be heading up this weekend to hunt bear in the area where our three bait station/cameras are set up. We have zero plans to hunt over our bait for bear (illegal) but we plan to rebait and pull cards form all three while in the area bear hunting? So..... If we have giant bags of apples strapped to our packs and are carrying our rifle to said bait stations to pull the cards and rebait? All sorts of illegal? LOL
So if we want to rebait and pull cards we need to leave our rifles in the truck hike all the way in to each ( multiple mlles to each one) and burn hunting time? :'(
I don't see another option? I'm completely new to bait and cameras. so what do you guys do, during this time of the year?
Good God dude! Why on earth isn't your wives/girlfriends carrying the bait?
You really are new to this.. :chuckle:
Post by: buckfvr on August 06, 2021, 11:21:33 AM
Post by: steeleywhopper on August 06, 2021, 12:08:46 PM
Post by: slowhand on August 06, 2021, 12:19:33 PM
At this point I'd probably just stop talking about it and go kill the bear. Loose lips sink ships.We have zero interest in breaking the Laws.
Separate trips it will be and best to just leave the bags of apples at home. Sounds like August is a no rebait season.
I'm learning still when it comes to bait and cameras. We have been keeping the bait locations refilled twice a month and have a good consistent group of bulls, bucks (one nice shooter), does, and yes Bears coming in on a regular basis. We just wanted to keep the feed rolling in for them as not to mess up the pattern. We put down feed and within two days they are all over the bait every time.
Post by: dilleytech on August 07, 2021, 01:41:29 PM
Looking for some input on this one.
So My hunting partner and I will be heading up this weekend to hunt bear in the area where our three bait station/cameras are set up. We have zero plans to hunt over our bait for bear (illegal) but we plan to rebait and pull cards form all three while in the area bear hunting? So..... If we have giant bags of apples strapped to our packs and are carrying our rifle to said bait stations to pull the cards and rebait? All sorts of illegal? LOL
So if we want to rebait and pull cards we need to leave our rifles in the truck hike all the way in to each ( multiple mlles to each one) and burn hunting time? :'(
I don't see another option? I'm completely new to bait and cameras. so what do you guys do, during this time of the year?
Just leave your bear tag and gun in the truck and make a bait trip then go hunt a different location.
Post by: Goshawk on August 24, 2021, 10:27:47 PM
I have a couple of deer bait stations going and have mineral licks at all of the spots. The bears love to come in flip the *censored* out of the licks and bite my damn cameras.
Anyways, my question is. Does a mineral lick count as bait?
If you or a buddy put it there and it attracts wildlife, then yes.
Post by: callturner on August 25, 2021, 07:17:49 AM
Post by: dilleytech on August 25, 2021, 07:39:33 AM
Carry your deer bait, (apples grain whatever) carry your gun. If you see a bear around you bait leave it alone. As long as you don't attempt to kill it your not hunting bear. Tend your cameras and be on your way . If I carry my handgun in a Mall or store I'm not a killer. I'm more worried about running into Moose than bears and I always carry a gun. :chuckle: :chuckle:
There have been cases of guys charged with bear baiting when hunting over bait with just a bear tag in pocket. Whether you are caught shooting at one or not you can be accused of bear baiting. Not something I would worry about but if you are then leave the tag in the truck.
Post by: buckfvr on August 25, 2021, 08:34:24 AM
Carry your deer bait, (apples grain whatever) carry your gun. If you see a bear around you bait leave it alone. As long as you don't attempt to kill it your not hunting bear. Tend your cameras and be on your way . If I carry my handgun in a Mall or store I'm not a killer. I'm more worried about running into Moose than bears and I always carry a gun. :chuckle: :chuckle:
There have been cases of guys charged with bear baiting when hunting over bait with just a bear tag in pocket. Whether you are caught shooting at one or not you can be accused of bear baiting. Not something I would worry about but if you are then leave the tag in the truck.
At a baited stand/blind etc., if you have a bear tag in your pocket, you for sure will get to explain it to the judge and it wont be free. :twocents:
Post by: hunter399 on August 25, 2021, 09:46:01 AM
So what you saying.....Carry your deer bait, (apples grain whatever) carry your gun. If you see a bear around you bait leave it alone. As long as you don't attempt to kill it your not hunting bear. Tend your cameras and be on your way . If I carry my handgun in a Mall or store I'm not a killer. I'm more worried about running into Moose than bears and I always carry a gun. :chuckle: :chuckle:
There have been cases of guys charged with bear baiting when hunting over bait with just a bear tag in pocket. Whether you are caught shooting at one or not you can be accused of bear baiting. Not something I would worry about but if you are then leave the tag in the truck.
At a baited stand/blind etc., if you have a bear tag in your pocket, you for sure will get to explain it to the judge and it wont be free. :twocents:
I can't carry a firearm for protection ,while tending game cams.
Maybe I hunt coyote year round.
Ya accused,or charged is one thing.
When I talk to the prosecuter,the state ,county,or whatever ,better have there p and q and I ,dotted .
Cause at the end of the day they better have some evidence to prove what ,where,and how I'm hunting.
I carry a firearm in the woods regardless of what I'm "hunting" that given day.
Yes it will be free ,cause a case is not gonna be followed through without evidence.
And honestly you should know better with wolves and huge amount of predators in our county ,there's really no reason you shouldn't have a firearm for protection alone.
Just an FYI ,you don't have to have a tag in your pocket to be accused of hunting ,per definition of hunting according to state law.
Post by: hunter399 on August 25, 2021, 10:20:16 AM
And let fellow hunters take responsibility for your own actions.
) "To hunt" and its derivatives means an effort to kill, injure, harass, harvest, or capture a wild animal or wild bird. (34) "Illegal items" means those items unlawful to be possessed.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx%3Fcite%3D77.08.010%23:~:text%3D(33)%2520%2522To%2520hunt%2522,items%2520unlawful%2520to%2520be%2520possessed.&ved=2ahUKEwjEw7LK1czyAhWsJzQIHR-wDUYQFnoECAMQBQ&usg=AOvVaw3uW02Q-4hWnllxFdeos5vX
As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://app.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx%3Fcite%3D77.15.245&ved=2ahUKEwiCwNub1szyAhVxHjQIHYoMCMUQFnoECA4QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1V1FZZdMKy58UHobgJWWfS
Doesn't matter if you have a tag or not,you can still be "Hunting"
My advise personally,
If your carrying a firearm to check game cams and deer and elk bait spots.
And stoped by warden ,I would make it very clear that your not actively hunting and the firearm is for personal protection.Keep your mouth shut.Let them do there job and prove otherwise.
Post by: birddogdad on August 25, 2021, 10:52:45 AM
Post by: slowhand on August 25, 2021, 04:22:09 PM
We went up for a weekend bear hunting trip, and brought no bait with us just to be safe.
Animals caught on camera has went down a bit. No elk lately, lots of fawns and does, a couple bucks, lots and lots of bears. Over half the bears we get on camera are sows with two Cubs. Again good news for the future of bear hunting our area. Berries are absolutely everywhere, found multiple bark peals, and a few stumps torn apart with claw marks. No question we are in the correct location for a bear.
Did a few calling sessions with Zack’s electronic call. Fawn distress and rabbit, no bears interested.
Planning to switch gears over to archery deer soon as we both have multi season deer tags.
Post by: dilleytech on August 29, 2021, 01:25:43 PM
So what you saying.....Carry your deer bait, (apples grain whatever) carry your gun. If you see a bear around you bait leave it alone. As long as you don't attempt to kill it your not hunting bear. Tend your cameras and be on your way . If I carry my handgun in a Mall or store I'm not a killer. I'm more worried about running into Moose than bears and I always carry a gun. :chuckle: :chuckle:
There have been cases of guys charged with bear baiting when hunting over bait with just a bear tag in pocket. Whether you are caught shooting at one or not you can be accused of bear baiting. Not something I would worry about but if you are then leave the tag in the truck.
At a baited stand/blind etc., if you have a bear tag in your pocket, you for sure will get to explain it to the judge and it wont be free. :twocents:
I can't carry a firearm for protection ,while tending game cams.
Maybe I hunt coyote year round.
Ya accused,or charged is one thing.
When I talk to the prosecuter,the state ,county,or whatever ,better have there p and q and I ,dotted .
Cause at the end of the day they better have some evidence to prove what ,where,and how I'm hunting.
I carry a firearm in the woods regardless of what I'm "hunting" that given day.
Yes it will be free ,cause a case is not gonna be followed through without evidence.
And honestly you should know better with wolves and huge amount of predators in our county ,there's really no reason you shouldn't have a firearm for protection alone.
Just an FYI ,you don't have to have a tag in your pocket to be accused of hunting ,per definition of hunting according to state law.
Of course you can carry a fire arm. Just don’t carry a bear tag. If your headed to check a cam that has salt you really shouldn’t have to worry as a game warden won’t assume your baiting bear. If your sitting in a stand over the salt with a gun during bear season and bear tag then don’t be surprised to receive a ticket.
Post by: hunter399 on August 29, 2021, 02:00:30 PM
It's Alot more than a ticket. Reply #46-page 4So what you saying.....Carry your deer bait, (apples grain whatever) carry your gun. If you see a bear around you bait leave it alone. As long as you don't attempt to kill it your not hunting bear. Tend your cameras and be on your way . If I carry my handgun in a Mall or store I'm not a killer. I'm more worried about running into Moose than bears and I always carry a gun. :chuckle: :chuckle:
There have been cases of guys charged with bear baiting when hunting over bait with just a bear tag in pocket. Whether you are caught shooting at one or not you can be accused of bear baiting. Not something I would worry about but if you are then leave the tag in the truck.
At a baited stand/blind etc., if you have a bear tag in your pocket, you for sure will get to explain it to the judge and it wont be free. :twocents:
I can't carry a firearm for protection ,while tending game cams.
Maybe I hunt coyote year round.
Ya accused,or charged is one thing.
When I talk to the prosecuter,the state ,county,or whatever ,better have there p and q and I ,dotted .
Cause at the end of the day they better have some evidence to prove what ,where,and how I'm hunting.
I carry a firearm in the woods regardless of what I'm "hunting" that given day.
Yes it will be free ,cause a case is not gonna be followed through without evidence.
And honestly you should know better with wolves and huge amount of predators in our county ,there's really no reason you shouldn't have a firearm for protection alone.
Just an FYI ,you don't have to have a tag in your pocket to be accused of hunting ,per definition of hunting according to state law.
Of course you can carry a fire arm. Just don’t carry a bear tag. If your headed to check a cam that has salt you really shouldn’t have to worry as a game warden won’t assume your baiting bear. If your sitting in a stand over the salt with a gun during bear season and bear tag then don’t be surprised to receive a ticket.
I'm not sure why everybody believe that if you leave the tag in the truck ,your not hunting.
No tag needed in Washington to be "Hunting" in this state.
No tag - not hunting if that was the case ,we would have poachers on every mountain. Cause they wouldn't get in trouble till they downed a animal.
That's not the way it works.
Your body language,what you have in your pack and on your person will be evidence enough.
Example.........
You have a rifle,pack with kill kit,knife,your glassing hillsides,ect,ect.
They can base that your hunting off of that alone,no tag needed,basically doesn't matter if you leave the tag.
You will lose your license for two years.
They will take your weapon and more than likely keep it.
Then you will see a judge and pay fines or whatever.
Page 84 in the regs I believe.
Post by: ridgefire on August 30, 2021, 12:25:50 PM
Post by: dilleytech on August 30, 2021, 01:38:36 PM
It's Alot more than a ticket. Reply #46-page 4So what you saying.....Carry your deer bait, (apples grain whatever) carry your gun. If you see a bear around you bait leave it alone. As long as you don't attempt to kill it your not hunting bear. Tend your cameras and be on your way . If I carry my handgun in a Mall or store I'm not a killer. I'm more worried about running into Moose than bears and I always carry a gun. :chuckle: :chuckle:
There have been cases of guys charged with bear baiting when hunting over bait with just a bear tag in pocket. Whether you are caught shooting at one or not you can be accused of bear baiting. Not something I would worry about but if you are then leave the tag in the truck.
At a baited stand/blind etc., if you have a bear tag in your pocket, you for sure will get to explain it to the judge and it wont be free. :twocents:
I can't carry a firearm for protection ,while tending game cams.
Maybe I hunt coyote year round.
Ya accused,or charged is one thing.
When I talk to the prosecuter,the state ,county,or whatever ,better have there p and q and I ,dotted .
Cause at the end of the day they better have some evidence to prove what ,where,and how I'm hunting.
I carry a firearm in the woods regardless of what I'm "hunting" that given day.
Yes it will be free ,cause a case is not gonna be followed through without evidence.
And honestly you should know better with wolves and huge amount of predators in our county ,there's really no reason you shouldn't have a firearm for protection alone.
Just an FYI ,you don't have to have a tag in your pocket to be accused of hunting ,per definition of hunting according to state law.
Of course you can carry a fire arm. Just don’t carry a bear tag. If your headed to check a cam that has salt you really shouldn’t have to worry as a game warden won’t assume your baiting bear. If your sitting in a stand over the salt with a gun during bear season and bear tag then don’t be surprised to receive a ticket.
I'm not sure why everybody believe that if you leave the tag in the truck ,your not hunting.
No tag needed in Washington to be "Hunting" in this state.
No tag - not hunting if that was the case ,we would have poachers on every mountain. Cause they wouldn't get in trouble till they downed a animal.
That's not the way it works.
Your body language,what you have in your pack and on your person will be evidence enough.
Example.........
You have a rifle,pack with kill kit,knife,your glassing hillsides,ect,ect.
They can base that your hunting off of that alone,no tag needed,basically doesn't matter if you leave the tag.
You will lose your license for two years.
They will take your weapon and more than likely keep it.
Then you will see a judge and pay fines or whatever.
Page 84 in the regs I believe.
True you can be cited as hunting without a tag, that seems to obvious. But you do have to have your tag and license on your person to legally harvest an animal. As you are legally required to tag your animal immediately at the time of the kill. Not after you get back from hiking to your truck to retrieve your tag.