Post by: MADMAX on July 14, 2021, 05:39:38 PM
I think the quota is around 4700 fish
Who’s fishing it ?
I bet if it’s as good as the islands and straits has been , it doesn’t last a week
Good luck to all
Post by: steeleywhopper on July 14, 2021, 06:02:21 PM
Post by: Stein on July 14, 2021, 06:15:58 PM
Depends on the crowds and catch rates. I expect the former and hope for the best, there isn't much else going on so it really concentrates the effort. I wonder why they don't overlap 7 & 9 to at least spread the effort out instead of everyone piling into 7, then everyone piling into 9.
Post by: carlyoungs on July 14, 2021, 06:59:53 PM
Post by: bushmantom on July 14, 2021, 07:05:21 PM
Post by: MADMAX on July 14, 2021, 07:22:40 PM
4700 encounters, not fish, correct?
Depends on the crowds and catch rates. I expect the former and hope for the best, there isn't much else going on so it really concentrates the effort. I wonder why they don't overlap 7 & 9 to at least spread the effort out instead of everyone piling into 7, then everyone piling into 9.
This what I read
Quota:
Chinook Total (July – September): 4,700
Post by: carlyoungs on July 14, 2021, 07:51:54 PM
Post by: Mfowl on July 14, 2021, 07:57:07 PM
Is anyone going to hit up area 10?
I'll be in 10 on Sat/Sun.
Good luck out there! Save me one!
Post by: carlyoungs on July 14, 2021, 08:08:14 PM
Will do! Plan on fishing the 9/10 border. Was trying for resident silvers when crab opened and all we were catching was kings. Released 9 hatchery kings in about 3 hours of fishing.Is anyone going to hit up area 10?
I'll be in 10 on Sat/Sun.
Good luck out there! Save me one!
Post by: Mfowl on July 14, 2021, 08:44:04 PM
Will do! Plan on fishing the 9/10 border. Was trying for resident silvers when crab opened and all we were catching was kings. Released 9 hatchery kings in about 3 hours of fishing.Is anyone going to hit up area 10?
I'll be in 10 on Sat/Sun.
Good luck out there! Save me one!
C'Mon man! I gotta work through Friday! :drool:
Post by: carlyoungs on July 14, 2021, 09:56:56 PM
Work is overrated gotta get your priorities straight 😁Will do! Plan on fishing the 9/10 border. Was trying for resident silvers when crab opened and all we were catching was kings. Released 9 hatchery kings in about 3 hours of fishing.Is anyone going to hit up area 10?
I'll be in 10 on Sat/Sun.
Good luck out there! Save me one!
C'Mon man! I gotta work through Friday! :drool:
Post by: MADMAX on July 15, 2021, 05:50:23 PM
I’m hoping a good day and weekend for all
Put in today and the ramp and parking lot was packed already
Post by: hunt6226 on July 15, 2021, 05:58:05 PM
I’ll be on possession to start..
Stay safe
Post by: GASoline71 on July 15, 2021, 06:38:31 PM
4700 encounters, not fish, correct?
Depends on the crowds and catch rates. I expect the former and hope for the best, there isn't much else going on so it really concentrates the effort. I wonder why they don't overlap 7 & 9 to at least spread the effort out instead of everyone piling into 7, then everyone piling into 9.
Correct. If you get back to the boat ramp and the "fish checkers" ask you how you did, and you say you caught 1 but had 2 more that got off the hook at the boat, the 2 that you lost is still somehow counted towards the overall quota. WDFW has determined that a salmon's survival rate drops after an "encounter" like that, so they mark it against the total of the quota.
Gary
Post by: CP on July 15, 2021, 06:52:49 PM
Fish checker: "Did you release anything today?"
Nope, not a thing.
Post by: GASoline71 on July 15, 2021, 06:57:22 PM
I was told by a WDFW official once that "encounters" get a mortality percentage applied to them, something less than 1.
Fish checker: "Did you release anything today?"
Nope, not a thing.
Exactly... :dunno:
Gary
Post by: Stein on July 16, 2021, 09:16:04 AM
I was told by a WDFW official once that "encounters" get a mortality percentage applied to them, something less than 1.
Fish checker: "Did you release anything today?"
Nope, not a thing.
Exactly... :dunno:
Gary
Do shakers count towards encounters as well?
I think the point is that 4,700 fish quota results in far less than 4,700 fish in coolers. Subtract for wild releases, subtract for fish lost before the net, maybe subtract for shakers, probably subtract for under-reporting assumption, I wonder how many fish are actually taken home out of that 4,700?
Post by: WAcoueshunter on July 16, 2021, 09:32:57 AM
Post by: OltHunter on July 16, 2021, 10:28:29 AM
Do shakers count towards encounters as well?I was told by a WDFW official once that "encounters" get a mortality percentage applied to them, something less than 1.Exactly... :dunno:
Fish checker: "Did you release anything today?"
Nope, not a thing.
Gary
I think the point is that 4,700 fish quota results in far less than 4,700 fish in coolers. Subtract for wild releases, subtract for fish lost before the net, maybe subtract for shakers, probably subtract for under-reporting assumption, I wonder how many fish are actually taken home out of that 4,700?
Any chinook related counts. Shakers/sublegal have their own quota, though looking at the website, 9 doesn't. So that either means they all count or it hasn't been updated yet.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/reports/creel/seasonal#ps-summer-chinook
Even if you tell them 0 caught, 0 shakers, etc, WDFW has test fishery boats that are going out there and fishing along side everyone. They then use that data and apply it to total boat counts along with survey results from the docks.
I agree though, report your chinook caught and retained. it's not going to hurt anything, even if it doesn't really make a difference.
What speeds/wire angle have you all been having success with Chinook? I still haven't finished my kicker motor steering linkage, but can run the main engine around 2.5 mph slowest. Not ideal to use the main for trolling, but not the end of the world.
Post by: jeffro on July 16, 2021, 10:45:29 AM
What speeds/wire angle have you all been having success with Chinook? I still haven't finished my kicker motor steering linkage, but can run the main engine around 2.5 mph slowest. Not ideal to use the main for trolling, but not the end of the world.
I usually troll at 1.5 for nooks 15-45 degree of angle max, depends on tide flow/ direction of flo
You can try dragging buckets, but that’s a p.I.t.a.fighting fish.
Shift out of forward constantly to stay slow, bad on gear box?
Mooch, jig, not a bad way to go
Post by: h20hunter on July 16, 2021, 10:52:16 AM
Got mine.
How big was the hog?
Post by: WSU on July 16, 2021, 10:53:13 AM
Post by: Stein on July 16, 2021, 11:01:51 AM
Post by: Rick on July 16, 2021, 11:30:33 AM
What speeds/wire angle have you all been having success with Chinook? I still haven't finished my kicker motor steering linkage, but can run the main engine around 2.5 mph slowest. Not ideal to use the main for trolling, but not the end of the world.
I usually troll at 1.5 for nooks 15-45 degree of angle max, depends on tide flow/ direction of flo
You can try dragging buckets, but that’s a p.I.t.a.fighting fish.
Shift out of forward constantly to stay slow, bad on gear box?
Mooch, jig, not a bad way to go
Commercial trollers run at 5-6mph. I rarely troll for Chinook less than 3mph.
Post by: Stein on July 16, 2021, 11:43:37 AM
Post by: OltHunter on July 16, 2021, 01:38:13 PM
Post by: The scout on July 16, 2021, 02:02:16 PM
Post by: carlyoungs on July 16, 2021, 03:12:48 PM
Post by: MADMAX on July 16, 2021, 04:47:57 PM
One shaker
Quit at noon
Back out tomorrow
Post by: Encore 280 on July 16, 2021, 09:13:48 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on July 17, 2021, 04:16:37 AM
Cancel any plans you have for Chinook in Sekiu, they're closing it to Chinook retention plus the Skykomish and Tulalip Bubble. Sorry folks.
I'm up here right now and to many people are bragging about sub legal catch and releases... about a third of the quota has actually been caught and retained.. :bash:
Whatever.. going back out for big king's again now.
Post by: Stein on July 17, 2021, 04:45:11 AM
Post by: Encore 280 on July 17, 2021, 09:30:01 AM
Post by: MADMAX on July 17, 2021, 02:25:45 PM
Big skunk for me today
Jeez
Never saw a net all morning
Post by: WAcoueshunter on July 17, 2021, 02:58:46 PM
Post by: Mfowl on July 17, 2021, 03:41:54 PM
Post by: steeleywhopper on July 17, 2021, 04:05:31 PM
Post by: Skillet on July 17, 2021, 05:12:49 PM
What speeds/wire angle have you all been having success with Chinook? I still haven't finished my kicker motor steering linkage, but can run the main engine around 2.5 mph slowest. Not ideal to use the main for trolling, but not the end of the world.
I usually troll at 1.5 for nooks 15-45 degree of angle max, depends on tide flow/ direction of flo
You can try dragging buckets, but that’s a p.I.t.a.fighting fish.
Shift out of forward constantly to stay slow, bad on gear box?
Mooch, jig, not a bad way to go
Commercial trollers run at 5-6mph. I rarely troll for Chinook less than 3mph.
No, we don't fish that fast unless it's for albacore. I fish faster than a lot of guys at 2.7-2.8 knots for kings, but I run less flashers and more spoons than most. Guys running lots of flashers stay closer to 2.4-2.5 knots. 3.0 knots (3.5 mph) for kings is considered "darn fast."
Coho, add .2-.3 knots, depending.
That said, I think most sport guys fish too slow. Lengthen your tail leader and speed up, you'll cover more water and encounter more fish at the very least. You are aren't going to outrun a hungry salmon, that's for sure.
Good luck out there fellas :tup:
Post by: WSU on July 17, 2021, 05:45:27 PM
What speeds/wire angle have you all been having success with Chinook? I still haven't finished my kicker motor steering linkage, but can run the main engine around 2.5 mph slowest. Not ideal to use the main for trolling, but not the end of the world.
I usually troll at 1.5 for nooks 15-45 degree of angle max, depends on tide flow/ direction of flo
You can try dragging buckets, but that’s a p.I.t.a.fighting fish.
Shift out of forward constantly to stay slow, bad on gear box?
Mooch, jig, not a bad way to go
Commercial trollers run at 5-6mph. I rarely troll for Chinook less than 3mph.
No, we don't fish that fast unless it's for albacore. I fish faster than a lot of guys at 2.7-2.8 knots for kings, but I run less flashers and more spoons than most. Guys running lots of flashers stay closer to 2.4-2.5 knots. 3.0 knots (3.5 mph) for kings is considered "darn fast."
Coho, add .2-.3 knots, depending.
That said, I think most sport guys fish too slow. Lengthen your tail leader and speed up, you'll cover more water and encounter more fish at the very least. You are aren't going to outrun a hungry salmon, that's for sure.
Good luck out there fellas :tup:
Skillet and I have talked about this a bit. I don’t think my times catching fishing going fast are a one off, especially when I’m not fishing cp herring in the dirt somewhere.
Also, I know salmon will hit fast trolled gear because I’ve caught salmon while trolling for tuna. Give it a try and you may be pleasantly surprised.
Post by: Alchase on July 17, 2021, 06:30:08 PM
What speeds/wire angle have you all been having success with Chinook? I still haven't finished my kicker motor steering linkage, but can run the main engine around 2.5 mph slowest. Not ideal to use the main for trolling, but not the end of the world.
I usually troll at 1.5 for nooks 15-45 degree of angle max, depends on tide flow/ direction of flo
You can try dragging buckets, but that’s a p.I.t.a.fighting fish.
Shift out of forward constantly to stay slow, bad on gear box?
Mooch, jig, not a bad way to go
Commercial trollers run at 5-6mph. I rarely troll for Chinook less than 3mph.
No, we don't fish that fast unless it's for albacore. I fish faster than a lot of guys at 2.7-2.8 knots for kings, but I run less flashers and more spoons than most. Guys running lots of flashers stay closer to 2.4-2.5 knots. 3.0 knots (3.5 mph) for kings is considered "darn fast."
Coho, add .2-.3 knots, depending.
That said, I think most sport guys fish too slow. Lengthen your tail leader and speed up, you'll cover more water and encounter more fish at the very least. You are aren't going to outrun a hungry salmon, that's for sure.
Good luck out there fellas :tup:
Skillet, when you say lengthen your tail leader, what do you actually mean?
Are you running cut plug with the trailer free?
How do I ou do this if you are running spoons?
Just curious which spoons are your go for to?
Post by: Skillet on July 17, 2021, 07:32:24 PM
Skillet and I have talked about this a bit. I don’t think my times catching fishing going fast are a one off, especially when I’m not fishing cp herring in the dirt somewhere.
Also, I know salmon will hit fast trolled gear because I’ve caught salmon while trolling for tuna. Give it a try and you may be pleasantly surprised.
I think you're spot-on.
Especially when fishing coho in a big biomass, I'll skip the flashers entirely and run straight spoons at 3.2-3.4 knots. Usually #4 Manistee's in some ungodly bright color combo. I'll also run a hootchie without a flasher on a 1.5 fa leader. They'll smash it when there are other fish biting the spoons above and below. Spoons fish better faster, and the faster I go the more likely the fish stays pinned while I'm waiting to get to it. This is the combo for my 200+ coho days, almost every time.
I don't fish herring unless it's early king season, I'd go broke with the pinks and coho around :chuckle: Even then I don't fish cut plug, I'll put a 2-day salted whole Red Label herring in an anchovy helmet and run a 6/0 single hook with it. It fishes longer than a cut plug for me, and the catch rates aren't bad. I've tried trebles, but I don't like them. You can see they need to be run with a longer loop to hook the tail, so they tend to tear the bait up a bit faster. Also, I just think I don't get nearly as consistent of a hookup with a treble as I do with a big single.
* I guess I can't post more than one pic, so this is the one I'll show. It's the bait rig I use the most in the winter and spring.
Post by: Skillet on July 17, 2021, 07:58:27 PM
What speeds/wire angle have you all been having success with Chinook? I still haven't finished my kicker motor steering linkage, but can run the main engine around 2.5 mph slowest. Not ideal to use the main for trolling, but not the end of the world.
I usually troll at 1.5 for nooks 15-45 degree of angle max, depends on tide flow/ direction of flo
You can try dragging buckets, but that’s a p.I.t.a.fighting fish.
Shift out of forward constantly to stay slow, bad on gear box?
Mooch, jig, not a bad way to go
Commercial trollers run at 5-6mph. I rarely troll for Chinook less than 3mph.
No, we don't fish that fast unless it's for albacore. I fish faster than a lot of guys at 2.7-2.8 knots for kings, but I run less flashers and more spoons than most. Guys running lots of flashers stay closer to 2.4-2.5 knots. 3.0 knots (3.5 mph) for kings is considered "darn fast."
Coho, add .2-.3 knots, depending.
That said, I think most sport guys fish too slow. Lengthen your tail leader and speed up, you'll cover more water and encounter more fish at the very least. You are aren't going to outrun a hungry salmon, that's for sure.
Good luck out there fellas :tup:
Skillet, when you say lengthen your tail leader, what do you actually mean?
Are you running cut plug with the trailer free?
How do I ou do this if you are running spoons?
Just curious which spoons are your go for to?
I mean lengthen the leader between the flasher and the hootch, bait or spoon. My leader lengths are as follows:
King hootch - from the middle of the settee table to the top of the divider between settee and galley.
King bait - From the far corner of the settee table to the magic marker "X" on the divider between settee and galley.
These measurements make it really easy for crew to cut a hundred or so while they're half asleep. :chuckle:
In reality, I think my king hootch tail leaders are about 38" long, my king bait tail leaders are 44" or so. If I was wanting to speed up my king fishing, I would lengthen those tail leaders. The reason is that the flasher will rotate faster and impart a faster action on the bait. Kings, in my opinion, seem to like a less erratic wobble to their baits. Same with spoons. A predictable pattern of wobble to the spoon seems to trigger more bites from kings than an erratic one. It's the opposite with coho - it's my opinon that they seem to want much more erratic motion.
For spoons, I like big brass and/or gold colored hammered spoons the last few years. Bigger the better, and I hang 8/0 hooks on them. I don't pull them behind a flasher, but on a 3 fa (18 foot) leader of 100# test line. As long as I have a few flashers down there somewhere, they'll get close enough to find the spoons.
This brings up a point - I use much heavier leader material than you guys do. My mono leader to my flashers are 120# test, and the tail leaders are 100#. I used to play with 80# tail leaders for my bait rigs, but lost too many fish to break-offs. There's not nearly as much give in my operation as there is in a sport set-up, so I have to level-up the mono. This causes the tail leader to be much stiffer, and I believe the flasher will actually swing the bait around more with a 100# leader than it will with a lighter leader. Using lighter leaders, you might be able to shorten up the tail leaders a bit to get the same action. Just need to test it beside the boat to get an idea of what it's doing.
Final thoughts on flashers - it is my belief that the flasher is actually simulating a school of feeding salmon. That's what brings the fish to the baits, in my opinion. From afar, a flasher looks very similar to a salmon slashing at baitfish. I typically have as few as 4 flashers per wire (total of 16 flashers) for kings, up to about 8 flashers per wire. For coho, it's twice that. For chum, I'll run upwards of 40 flashers per wire, for a total of 160 flashers in the water at once.
Under that theory, I started using flashers that mimic the fish. My best king flasher for the last two years has been the blue mirror flasher, followed closely by the purple mirror, then either the purple or blue patterned mylar flashers. Red is the standby, and I'll use if I need to, but I do believe the smooth mirror finish has upped my king catches.
Now you guys know all the secrets from the Diamond Lil - I'll see you out there on the grounds! :tup:
Post by: Angry Perch on July 18, 2021, 10:36:26 AM
What speeds/wire angle have you all been having success with Chinook? I still haven't finished my kicker motor steering linkage, but can run the main engine around 2.5 mph slowest. Not ideal to use the main for trolling, but not the end of the world.
I usually troll at 1.5 for nooks 15-45 degree of angle max, depends on tide flow/ direction of flo
You can try dragging buckets, but that’s a p.I.t.a.fighting fish.
Shift out of forward constantly to stay slow, bad on gear box?
Mooch, jig, not a bad way to go
Commercial trollers run at 5-6mph. I rarely troll for Chinook less than 3mph.
No, we don't fish that fast unless it's for albacore. I fish faster than a lot of guys at 2.7-2.8 knots for kings, but I run less flashers and more spoons than most. Guys running lots of flashers stay closer to 2.4-2.5 knots. 3.0 knots (3.5 mph) for kings is considered "darn fast."
Coho, add .2-.3 knots, depending.
That said, I think most sport guys fish too slow. Lengthen your tail leader and speed up, you'll cover more water and encounter more fish at the very least. You are aren't going to outrun a hungry salmon, that's for sure.
Good luck out there fellas :tup:
Skillet, when you say lengthen your tail leader, what do you actually mean?
Are you running cut plug with the trailer free?
How do I ou do this if you are running spoons?
Just curious which spoons are your go for to?
I mean lengthen the leader between the flasher and the hootch, bait or spoon. My leader lengths are as follows:
King hootch - from the middle of the settee table to the top of the divider between settee and galley.
King bait - From the far corner of the settee table to the magic marker "X" on the divider between settee and galley.
These measurements make it really easy for crew to cut a hundred or so while they're half asleep. :chuckle:
In reality, I think my king hootch tail leaders are about 38" long, my king bait tail leaders are 44" or so. If I was wanting to speed up my king fishing, I would lengthen those tail leaders. The reason is that the flasher will rotate faster and impart a faster action on the bait. Kings, in my opinion, seem to like a less erratic wobble to their baits. Same with spoons. A predictable pattern of wobble to the spoon seems to trigger more bites from kings than an erratic one. It's the opposite with coho - it's my opinon that they seem to want much more erratic motion.
For spoons, I like big brass and/or gold colored hammered spoons the last few years. Bigger the better, and I hang 8/0 hooks on them. I don't pull them behind a flasher, but on a 3 fa (18 foot) leader of 100# test line. As long as I have a few flashers down there somewhere, they'll get close enough to find the spoons.
This brings up a point - I use much heavier leader material than you guys do. My mono leader to my flashers are 120# test, and the tail leaders are 100#. I used to play with 80# tail leaders for my bait rigs, but lost too many fish to break-offs. There's not nearly as much give in my operation as there is in a sport set-up, so I have to level-up the mono. This causes the tail leader to be much stiffer, and I believe the flasher will actually swing the bait around more with a 100# leader than it will with a lighter leader. Using lighter leaders, you might be able to shorten up the tail leaders a bit to get the same action. Just need to test it beside the boat to get an idea of what it's doing.
Final thoughts on flashers - it is my belief that the flasher is actually simulating a school of feeding salmon. That's what brings the fish to the baits, in my opinion. From afar, a flasher looks very similar to a salmon slashing at baitfish. I typically have as few as 4 flashers per wire (total of 16 flashers) for kings, up to about 8 flashers per wire. For coho, it's twice that. For chum, I'll run upwards of 40 flashers per wire, for a total of 160 flashers in the water at once.
Under that theory, I started using flashers that mimic the fish. My best king flasher for the last two years has been the blue mirror flasher, followed closely by the purple mirror, then either the purple or blue patterned mylar flashers. Red is the standby, and I'll use if I need to, but I do believe the smooth mirror finish has upped my king catches.
Now you guys know all the secrets from the Diamond Lil - I'll see you out there on the grounds! :tup:
Note to self. Bring tape measure when you visit the Diamond lil. :chuckle:
Post by: h20hunter on July 18, 2021, 06:18:04 PM
Post by: carlyoungs on July 18, 2021, 06:26:15 PM
Anyone jigging or mooching for 'em.
I saw another boat mooching and they caught a pretty big one.
Post by: Huntin4Ever on July 18, 2021, 08:22:53 PM
Skillet and I have talked about this a bit. I don’t think my times catching fishing going fast are a one off, especially when I’m not fishing cp herring in the dirt somewhere.
Also, I know salmon will hit fast trolled gear because I’ve caught salmon while trolling for tuna. Give it a try and you may be pleasantly surprised.
I think you're spot-on.
Especially when fishing coho in a big biomass, I'll skip the flashers entirely and run straight spoons at 3.2-3.4 knots. Usually #4 Manistee's in some ungodly bright color combo. I'll also run a hootchie without a flasher on a 1.5 fa leader. They'll smash it when there are other fish biting the spoons above and below. Spoons fish better faster, and the faster I go the more likely the fish stays pinned while I'm waiting to get to it. This is the combo for my 200+ coho days, almost every time.
I don't fish herring unless it's early king season, I'd go broke with the pinks and coho around :chuckle: Even then I don't fish cut plug, I'll put a 2-day salted whole Red Label herring in an anchovy helmet and run a 6/0 single hook with it. It fishes longer than a cut plug for me, and the catch rates aren't bad. I've tried trebles, but I don't like them. You can see they need to be run with a longer loop to hook the tail, so they tend to tear the bait up a bit faster. Also, I just think I don't get nearly as consistent of a hookup with a treble as I do with a big single.
* I guess I can't post more than one pic, so this is the one I'll show. It's the bait rig I use the most in the winter and spring.
Skillet, Im a diehard moocher, but with the red label, they do tear out easily. Never have salted my bait, is there a specific salt to use and can you refreeze them?
Thanks
Post by: silverdalesauer on July 18, 2021, 09:42:28 PM
We went up to area 9 on Saturday and did a little trolling with about 200+ other boats. About an hour or so in, the rod jumped off the downrigger. My youngest sprung into action, grabbed the rod and began the fight. We knew it would be a Chinook, as it ran and shook his head hard. He was stoked when netted to find it was hatchery and well over 22"
Grins all around!
Creel reports showing over 100 chinook caught in area 9 on Saturday.
Post by: 7mmfan on July 19, 2021, 06:33:27 AM
Skillet and I have talked about this a bit. I don’t think my times catching fishing going fast are a one off, especially when I’m not fishing cp herring in the dirt somewhere.
Also, I know salmon will hit fast trolled gear because I’ve caught salmon while trolling for tuna. Give it a try and you may be pleasantly surprised.
I think you're spot-on.
Especially when fishing coho in a big biomass, I'll skip the flashers entirely and run straight spoons at 3.2-3.4 knots. Usually #4 Manistee's in some ungodly bright color combo. I'll also run a hootchie without a flasher on a 1.5 fa leader. They'll smash it when there are other fish biting the spoons above and below. Spoons fish better faster, and the faster I go the more likely the fish stays pinned while I'm waiting to get to it. This is the combo for my 200+ coho days, almost every time.
I don't fish herring unless it's early king season, I'd go broke with the pinks and coho around :chuckle: Even then I don't fish cut plug, I'll put a 2-day salted whole Red Label herring in an anchovy helmet and run a 6/0 single hook with it. It fishes longer than a cut plug for me, and the catch rates aren't bad. I've tried trebles, but I don't like them. You can see they need to be run with a longer loop to hook the tail, so they tend to tear the bait up a bit faster. Also, I just think I don't get nearly as consistent of a hookup with a treble as I do with a big single.
* I guess I can't post more than one pic, so this is the one I'll show. It's the bait rig I use the most in the winter and spring.
Skillet, Im a diehard moocher, but with the red label, they do tear out easily. Never have salted my bait, is there a specific salt to use and can you refreeze them?
Thanks
Not speaking for Skillet here, but I've mooched a few herring. The best salt to use is rock or canning salt. If you mix a brine, mix just enough salt in the water that it doesn't mix in anymore. Ideally you would be able to use salt water to do this, not tap water. If you leave it in too long, they're bellies will shrink in and they won't spin well, so keep an eye on them. I've found an 1-2 hours is about right. You can also just open your tray of herring and dump salt straight on them. I've actually had quite good success doing this.
You cannot refreeze them with any amount of success that I've found, especially if put in a brine. They just turn to mush. Brine up what you intend to use that day.
Post by: OltHunter on July 19, 2021, 07:17:40 AM
About 125 boats on east possession bar, 50 or so on the west. Did not want to deal with those crowds with 2 kids on board.
Word from Edmonds marina - west bar possession has been really good in the 200 foot range, 300 feet out on the downrigger. With that much out you'd want to run something without the flashers they said too. Tomic plugs
Got some monster crab, kids did great, and was a fun day out on the water. Looking forward to hopefully a good pink year to get them reeling some fish in.
Post by: cavemann on July 19, 2021, 07:49:58 AM
thanks sharing and the info..
WSU, Stein and the rest much appreciated as well. I'm still in the asking for advice stage but will share when the day comes I can contribute.. I promise..
Post by: WSU on July 19, 2021, 07:52:29 AM
Post by: WSU on July 19, 2021, 08:33:00 AM
The other problem sport fishers run into is the small downrigger balls. Even a 15# ball gets blown way back if you troll 3 mph with any depth at all. I don't think its the speed that is the limiter for sporties. It's the gear we fish with.
Post by: Mfowl on July 19, 2021, 12:07:08 PM
This is the first year I've owned a boat. My sons and I have been learning the ropes fishing for salmon and having a blast doing it. My youngest (15) is a die-hard fisherman who studies and practices like crazy, so he's learning a lot these days.
We went up to area 9 on Saturday and did a little trolling with about 200+ other boats. About an hour or so in, the rod jumped off the downrigger. My youngest sprung into action, grabbed the rod and began the fight. We knew it would be a Chinook, as it ran and shook his head hard. He was stoked when netted to find it was hatchery and well over 22"
Grins all around!
Creel reports showing over 100 chinook caught in area 9 on Saturday.
:tup: Nice work!
Post by: junixjuny639 on July 19, 2021, 05:40:38 PM
Where can I find All these areas for fishing here in puget sound, Thurston, Pierce, King, Puyallup river? I mean, they are numbered, and I have no idea where these areas are located except #9 in the Nisqually River.
Junix
Post by: MADMAX on July 19, 2021, 05:50:11 PM
It’s complicated
Google marine area 9 Washington
https://wdfw.wa.gov/fishing/locations/marine-areas/admiralty-inlet
https://www.arcgis.com/home/webmap/viewer.html?webmap=f415cd6cb2f14a8ab14d9c0bcd2cb429
Post by: MADMAX on July 19, 2021, 06:04:12 PM
This is the first year I've owned a boat. My sons and I have been learning the ropes fishing for salmon and having a blast doing it. My youngest (15) is a die-hard fisherman who studies and practices like crazy, so he's learning a lot these days.
We went up to area 9 on Saturday and did a little trolling with about 200+ other boats. About an hour or so in, the rod jumped off the downrigger. My youngest sprung into action, grabbed the rod and began the fight. We knew it would be a Chinook, as it ran and shook his head hard. He was stoked when netted to find it was hatchery and well over 22"
Grins all around!
Creel reports showing over 100 chinook caught in area 9 on Saturday.
He’s hooked now
Great fish
Congrats to your son
Post by: GASoline71 on July 22, 2021, 10:41:50 AM
This is the first year I've owned a boat. My sons and I have been learning the ropes fishing for salmon and having a blast doing it. My youngest (15) is a die-hard fisherman who studies and practices like crazy, so he's learning a lot these days.
We went up to area 9 on Saturday and did a little trolling with about 200+ other boats. About an hour or so in, the rod jumped off the downrigger. My youngest sprung into action, grabbed the rod and began the fight. We knew it would be a Chinook, as it ran and shook his head hard. He was stoked when netted to find it was hatchery and well over 22"
Grins all around!
Creel reports showing over 100 chinook caught in area 9 on Saturday.
Nice fish! We were up at MCB on Saturday with about 300 of our closest friends. It was the most boats I've seen at MCB in 20 years. We caught 2 stinkin' Dogfish in 5 hours of fishing. LOL. We saw about a dozen salmon caught in the time we were at MCB. Just not one of the lucky boats on Saturday for us. :)
Gary
Post by: Stein on July 22, 2021, 10:53:06 AM
Post by: MADMAX on July 22, 2021, 04:25:44 PM
That’s why I just said the heck with it
Sold my boat
I’m done
I’ll do silvers from the beach and a charter out at Westport got sick of my boat sitting 10 months out of the year
And then get the crumbs left over from long liners
Fished 5 days in a row area 9
No keepers unless I wanted pinks
I don’t
One decent chinook on the opener
About 10-12 lbs with fin still attached
Not worth it anymore for me
Good luck folks
Post by: Bronson on July 22, 2021, 05:07:38 PM
Creel reports are really dropping off, hot opener but quickly reverting to more typical catch rates. Sunday was .13 fish per rod out of Everett.
I think thats because all the blackmouth that havent seen gear in 11 months (due to no winter fishery) were seeing the buffet table of fishing gear. Now that a lot of easy BM have been caught, there just arent a lot of fish around.
Consensus seems to be that most of the fish impacting the quota arent even ocean fish, with a few exceptions. Everyone is keeping blackmouth. By the time the ocean fish are in 9 it will be shut down.
Post by: steeleywhopper on July 22, 2021, 05:32:12 PM
Creel reports are really dropping off, hot opener but quickly reverting to more typical catch rates. Sunday was .13 fish per rod out of Everett.
I think thats because all the blackmouth that havent seen gear in 11 months (due to no winter fishery) were seeing the buffet table of fishing gear. Now that a lot of easy BM have been caught, there just arent a lot of fish around.
Consensus seems to be that most of the fish impacting the quota arent even ocean fish, with a few exceptions. Everyone is keeping blackmouth. By the time the ocean fish are in 9 it will be shut down.
I agree with Bronson 100% on this. Most all the fish my contacts have caught are all cookie cutter 5-8lb fish, including the fish my wife caught on Sunday.
Post by: Stein on July 22, 2021, 06:37:58 PM
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Post by: MADMAX on August 03, 2021, 05:31:17 PM
Get em boys
Post by: carlyoungs on August 03, 2021, 06:57:18 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on August 03, 2021, 08:01:04 PM
So it is opened through the 4th and closes on the 5th?
Ya tomorrow until midnight
Post by: MADMAX on August 03, 2021, 08:14:26 PM