Post by: Blacklab on August 21, 2021, 08:51:36 AM
Post by: metlhead on August 21, 2021, 12:35:14 PM
But, that greed extends to all user groups, including sportsfishers. We are just as guilty. Big run, everybody wants a piece.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on August 21, 2021, 01:55:21 PM
Fishing in the columbia river. Here we go again😢 Where the greed overrides the common sense of the fishery on the Columbia River. Washington state fishing commission is proposing to put kill nets in the lower Columbia River. In the act of catching silvers. Kill nets are not selective it destroys everything it comes in contact with. The monies that is put into saving the fishery in the Columbia River. Is wasted due to these nets. Summer steelhead is at an all time low since Bonneville Dam has been installed. Yet they’re willing to put their kill nets in the main stem river for the purpose of greed. As a sport fisherman in these waters. We have to be selective with the fish we catch. Wild/non-fin clipped fish cannot be pulled out of the water to be released. Yet these nets catch and kill everything that it comes into contact with. A commercial fisherman can sell these endangered fish out of the back of their truck, or too grocery stores, and restaurants. This asinine practice has to stop or we will not have a fishery on the main stem Columbia River. At one point in time. Not long ago the Columbia river was a world known fishery. Now within a few years with these types of practices it will be extinct. Please!!! Call the WDFW fishing commission or write a letter to say save the fish.  The Oregon state fishing commission surprisingly is trying to fight Washington for allowing the nets in the water. Lets give them thanks. Also it would be a great help if people wouldn’t buy wild caught salmon and steelhead from the stores or restaurants. Because most likely 8 to 9 out of 10 will be from the main stem Columbia River. Thanks for reading😉🥃🇺🇸
Just out of curiosity, How do you feel about people who don't have the means, or don't have the desire to go fishing, getting to eat some of these fish? For most, it is cheaper to buy this salmon at the store than it is to get all the gear and go fishing. Commercial fishermen aren't the end user for most fish caught commercially. The PUBLIC is! Evidently you are against the public consuming fish that belong to everyone? I seen where the greed is.
Post by: huntnphool on August 21, 2021, 02:27:11 PM
Fishing in the columbia river. Here we go again😢 Where the greed overrides the common sense of the fishery on the Columbia River. Washington state fishing commission is proposing to put kill nets in the lower Columbia River. In the act of catching silvers. Kill nets are not selective it destroys everything it comes in contact with. The monies that is put into saving the fishery in the Columbia River. Is wasted due to these nets. Summer steelhead is at an all time low since Bonneville Dam has been installed. Yet they’re willing to put their kill nets in the main stem river for the purpose of greed. As a sport fisherman in these waters. We have to be selective with the fish we catch. Wild/non-fin clipped fish cannot be pulled out of the water to be released. Yet these nets catch and kill everything that it comes into contact with. A commercial fisherman can sell these endangered fish out of the back of their truck, or too grocery stores, and restaurants. This asinine practice has to stop or we will not have a fishery on the main stem Columbia River. At one point in time. Not long ago the Columbia river was a world known fishery. Now within a few years with these types of practices it will be extinct. Please!!! Call the WDFW fishing commission or write a letter to say save the fish.  The Oregon state fishing commission surprisingly is trying to fight Washington for allowing the nets in the water. Lets give them thanks. Also it would be a great help if people wouldn’t buy wild caught salmon and steelhead from the stores or restaurants. Because most likely 8 to 9 out of 10 will be from the main stem Columbia River. Thanks for reading😉🥃🇺🇸
Just out of curiosity, How do you feel about people who don't have the means, or don't have the desire to go fishing, getting to eat some of these fish? For most, it is cheaper to buy this salmon at the store than it is to get all the gear and go fishing. Commercial fishermen aren't the end user for most fish caught commercially. The PUBLIC is! Evidently you are against the public consuming fish that belong to everyone? I seen where the greed is.
Have the commercials use lines, hooks and bait!
Post by: Jake Dogfish on August 21, 2021, 02:40:29 PM
:yeah:Fishing in the columbia river. Here we go again😢 Where the greed overrides the common sense of the fishery on the Columbia River. Washington state fishing commission is proposing to put kill nets in the lower Columbia River. In the act of catching silvers. Kill nets are not selective it destroys everything it comes in contact with. The monies that is put into saving the fishery in the Columbia River. Is wasted due to these nets. Summer steelhead is at an all time low since Bonneville Dam has been installed. Yet they’re willing to put their kill nets in the main stem river for the purpose of greed. As a sport fisherman in these waters. We have to be selective with the fish we catch. Wild/non-fin clipped fish cannot be pulled out of the water to be released. Yet these nets catch and kill everything that it comes into contact with. A commercial fisherman can sell these endangered fish out of the back of their truck, or too grocery stores, and restaurants. This asinine practice has to stop or we will not have a fishery on the main stem Columbia River. At one point in time. Not long ago the Columbia river was a world known fishery. Now within a few years with these types of practices it will be extinct. Please!!! Call the WDFW fishing commission or write a letter to say save the fish.  The Oregon state fishing commission surprisingly is trying to fight Washington for allowing the nets in the water. Lets give them thanks. Also it would be a great help if people wouldn’t buy wild caught salmon and steelhead from the stores or restaurants. Because most likely 8 to 9 out of 10 will be from the main stem Columbia River. Thanks for reading😉🥃🇺🇸
Just out of curiosity, How do you feel about people who don't have the means, or don't have the desire to go fishing, getting to eat some of these fish? For most, it is cheaper to buy this salmon at the store than it is to get all the gear and go fishing. Commercial fishermen aren't the end user for most fish caught commercially. The PUBLIC is! Evidently you are against the public consuming fish that belong to everyone? I seen where the greed is.
Have the commercials use lines, hooks and bait!
Post by: WSU on August 21, 2021, 06:11:04 PM
Fishing in the columbia river. Here we go again😢 Where the greed overrides the common sense of the fishery on the Columbia River. Washington state fishing commission is proposing to put kill nets in the lower Columbia River. In the act of catching silvers. Kill nets are not selective it destroys everything it comes in contact with. The monies that is put into saving the fishery in the Columbia River. Is wasted due to these nets. Summer steelhead is at an all time low since Bonneville Dam has been installed. Yet they’re willing to put their kill nets in the main stem river for the purpose of greed. As a sport fisherman in these waters. We have to be selective with the fish we catch. Wild/non-fin clipped fish cannot be pulled out of the water to be released. Yet these nets catch and kill everything that it comes into contact with. A commercial fisherman can sell these endangered fish out of the back of their truck, or too grocery stores, and restaurants. This asinine practice has to stop or we will not have a fishery on the main stem Columbia River. At one point in time. Not long ago the Columbia river was a world known fishery. Now within a few years with these types of practices it will be extinct. Please!!! Call the WDFW fishing commission or write a letter to say save the fish.  The Oregon state fishing commission surprisingly is trying to fight Washington for allowing the nets in the water. Lets give them thanks. Also it would be a great help if people wouldn’t buy wild caught salmon and steelhead from the stores or restaurants. Because most likely 8 to 9 out of 10 will be from the main stem Columbia River. Thanks for reading😉🥃🇺🇸
Just out of curiosity, How do you feel about people who don't have the means, or don't have the desire to go fishing, getting to eat some of these fish? For most, it is cheaper to buy this salmon at the store than it is to get all the gear and go fishing. Commercial fishermen aren't the end user for most fish caught commercially. The PUBLIC is! Evidently you are against the public consuming fish that belong to everyone? I seen where the greed is.
Or perhaps he’s against gillnetting endangered steelhead in 72 degree water where survival is nil?
Or maybe we should just let ‘em go extinct so the poor can have a salmon dinner.
Post by: Tbar on August 21, 2021, 06:54:41 PM
The same logic should be applied to your client and the sport fishing industry. Every encounter has an impact, just some are more visible and accounted for. Mark select has an impact that is exacerbated by the predation rate.Fishing in the columbia river. Here we go again😢 Where the greed overrides the common sense of the fishery on the Columbia River. Washington state fishing commission is proposing to put kill nets in the lower Columbia River. In the act of catching silvers. Kill nets are not selective it destroys everything it comes in contact with. The monies that is put into saving the fishery in the Columbia River. Is wasted due to these nets. Summer steelhead is at an all time low since Bonneville Dam has been installed. Yet they’re willing to put their kill nets in the main stem river for the purpose of greed. As a sport fisherman in these waters. We have to be selective with the fish we catch. Wild/non-fin clipped fish cannot be pulled out of the water to be released. Yet these nets catch and kill everything that it comes into contact with. A commercial fisherman can sell these endangered fish out of the back of their truck, or too grocery stores, and restaurants. This asinine practice has to stop or we will not have a fishery on the main stem Columbia River. At one point in time. Not long ago the Columbia river was a world known fishery. Now within a few years with these types of practices it will be extinct. Please!!! Call the WDFW fishing commission or write a letter to say save the fish.  The Oregon state fishing commission surprisingly is trying to fight Washington for allowing the nets in the water. Lets give them thanks. Also it would be a great help if people wouldn’t buy wild caught salmon and steelhead from the stores or restaurants. Because most likely 8 to 9 out of 10 will be from the main stem Columbia River. Thanks for reading😉🥃🇺🇸
Just out of curiosity, How do you feel about people who don't have the means, or don't have the desire to go fishing, getting to eat some of these fish? For most, it is cheaper to buy this salmon at the store than it is to get all the gear and go fishing. Commercial fishermen aren't the end user for most fish caught commercially. The PUBLIC is! Evidently you are against the public consuming fish that belong to everyone? I seen where the greed is.
Or perhaps he’s against gillnetting endangered steelhead in 72 degree water where survival is nil?
Or maybe we should just let ‘em go extinct so the poor can have a salmon dinner.
Post by: Tbar on August 21, 2021, 07:06:33 PM
Post by: Blacklab on August 21, 2021, 08:28:33 PM
Post by: lokidog on August 21, 2021, 08:33:49 PM
Not saying commerical fishing is not an necessity. Commercial fishing on the main stem with kill nets is unacceptable. If sport fisherman have to be selective. Why doesn’t the commercial? We paid for their new nets use them.
Agree, commercial use of resources should be held to the same standard as "sport" use, if not a higher one.
Post by: Tbar on August 21, 2021, 08:44:28 PM
They are! "Selective" has an impact. I'm not sure why that's so hard to understand. Couple lactic acid build up with on line predation and your chosen method is absolutely impacting the resources. If we stop fishing, then stop fishing, don't act like you're the "good guys" when you truly have little to no accurate metrics to measure impact (the impact varies from place to place). If you want to end impacts to t &e then do it with blanket closures. Commercial accounts for their impact with dead fish, not trying to sugar cost that at all...Not saying commerical fishing is not an necessity. Commercial fishing on the main stem with kill nets is unacceptable. If sport fisherman have to be selective. Why doesn’t the commercial? We paid for their new nets use them.
Agree, commercial use of resources should be held to the same standard as "sport" use, if not a higher one.
Post by: Blacklab on August 22, 2021, 12:08:17 PM
Post by: Tbar on August 22, 2021, 01:33:58 PM
No their not! Why Should we dump millions and millions of dollars to help bring back a fishery that we destroyed. Then turn around and let commercial gillnetting into the main stem river. I believe there are seven endangered species listed on the Columbia river it’s asinine. Shoveling *censored* against the tide 101.Do you think survival metrics in place now can be applied to line caught fish in the lower river? The sea lions population has grown 10 fold. I really believe you are fighting the wrong fight and if fishing needs to end then end it, don't try to apply disputed science (both sides of this) while avoiding the elephant in the room due to the process constraints. Look at the lower Willamette for your case study instead of slinging mud. I've sat through many hours of disputed science. To what end? Do you think simply ending gillnetting will magically decrease the predation rate?
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on August 22, 2021, 02:29:09 PM
No their not! Why Should we dump millions and millions of dollars to help bring back a fishery that we destroyed. Then turn around and let commercial gillnetting into the main stem river. I believe there are seven endangered species listed on the Columbia river it’s asinine. Shoveling *censored* against the tide 101.
Commercial fishing isn't what destroyed the salmon runs on the Columbia. It was the dams. If you can't acknowledge that we can't even have a meaningful conversation.
Post by: GrimKeeper on August 22, 2021, 03:16:00 PM
No spawned out dead Salmon means that the river, estuary and immediate ocean doesn't get it's natural fertilization to pump the foundation of the food chain beginning with the bacteria that feeds on a salmon carcass, feeds plankton, feeds baitfish which in return feeds adult salmon in the ocean, seals and sea lions, whales, rockfish and almost everything else. A dam takes away all that spawning habitat and when salmon don't spawn and die, the entire system begins to topple. Figure out how to remove dams or make an adequate bypass system or you're wasting breath on arguing over nothing.
Post by: Blacklab on August 22, 2021, 03:36:56 PM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on August 22, 2021, 03:37:04 PM
I remember reading a while back that the Columbia had some historical times of being overfished such that stocks were so depleted they had to bring in hatcheries, this was pre-dam. When the railroads finally got a good system in place to ship salmon east (late 1880's/1890's), fishing and canneries sprang up and virtually eliminated a huge amount of fish from the Columbia and Puget sound (netting and fish wheels). The next time was after the refrigerated rail cars came about and people started shipping whole salmon (I think it was early 1930's). Salmon runs got so low the hatcheries had to expand.No their not! Why Should we dump millions and millions of dollars to help bring back a fishery that we destroyed. Then turn around and let commercial gillnetting into the main stem river. I believe there are seven endangered species listed on the Columbia river it’s asinine. Shoveling *censored* against the tide 101.
Commercial fishing isn't what destroyed the salmon runs on the Columbia. It was the dams. If you can't acknowledge that we can't even have a meaningful conversation.
Post by: ipkus on August 22, 2021, 03:47:58 PM
Commercial fishing isn't what destroyed the salmon runs on the Columbia. It was the dams. If you can't acknowledge that we can't even have a meaningful conversation.
The salmon runs were destroyed by commercial fishing before Bonneville (the first dam) was constructed.
If you can’t acknowledge that you are ignoring history and can’t contribute to a meaningful conversation.
Post by: lokidog on August 22, 2021, 08:01:20 PM
Commercial fishing isn't what destroyed the salmon runs on the Columbia. It was the dams. If you can't acknowledge that we can't even have a meaningful conversation.
The salmon runs were destroyed by commercial fishing before Bonneville (the first dam) was constructed.
If you can’t acknowledge that you are ignoring history and can’t contribute to a meaningful conversation.
:tup:
Post by: plugger on August 23, 2021, 05:28:16 AM
Post by: Blacklab on August 23, 2021, 08:03:27 AM
Seems there are hundreds of other rivers on the west side that don't have much for salmon and steelhead runs any more. No dams, no walleye or bass, not even hundreds of sea lions gobbling up the fish. lots are closed to fishing. What do all these rivers have in common, Gill nets and ocean conditions. Just saying.
Educated gooberment is at the top. Turn our hatcheries into a private business and run it as such :twocents: That could be a great start to rebuilding.
Post by: 2MANY on August 23, 2021, 08:39:29 AM
Commercial fishing isn't what destroyed the salmon runs on the Columbia. It was the dams. If you can't acknowledge that we can't even have a meaningful conversation.
The salmon runs were destroyed by commercial fishing before Bonneville (the first dam) was constructed.
If you can’t acknowledge that you are ignoring history and can’t contribute to a meaningful conversation.
:tup:
Man has destroyed the fish runs.
Period.
Before there was conversation there was fish.
And I mean it.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on August 23, 2021, 08:45:23 AM
Post by: buckfvr on August 23, 2021, 09:46:02 AM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on August 24, 2021, 11:31:13 AM
Seems there are hundreds of other rivers on the west side that don't have much for salmon and steelhead runs any more. No dams, no walleye or bass, not even hundreds of sea lions gobbling up the fish. lots are closed to fishing. What do all these rivers have in common, Gill nets and ocean conditions. Just saying.
There is no gillnetting south of the Columbia River. How many of those rivers have salmon runs that are in trouble? Conversly, in Alaska There are thousands of gillnets all over the State and with proper management Alaska has 100s of millions of salmon return every year.
Post by: Platensek-po on August 24, 2021, 11:55:06 AM
Seems there are hundreds of other rivers on the west side that don't have much for salmon and steelhead runs any more. No dams, no walleye or bass, not even hundreds of sea lions gobbling up the fish. lots are closed to fishing. What do all these rivers have in common, Gill nets and ocean conditions. Just saying.
There is no gillnetting south of the Columbia River. How many of those rivers have salmon runs that are in trouble? Conversly, in Alaska There are thousands of gillnets all over the State and with proper management Alaska has 100s of millions of salmon return every year.
You know what those Alaskan rivers don’t have? Dams
Post by: Stein on August 24, 2021, 12:05:32 PM
With the big C, I think it's hard to point the finger at any one thing, it's a huge combination that all add up. I'm not a fan of drifting nets from shore to shore at night, but honestly I can't say it's a huge portion of salmon's problem, probably more of a problem to the bycatch.