Post by: CarbonHunter on August 30, 2021, 06:27:49 PM
https://idfg.idaho.gov/about/commission/september-1-2021-special-meeting-commission?utm_source=idfg-website&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=home-featured
Post by: MADMAX on August 30, 2021, 06:30:35 PM
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Post by: MADMAX on August 30, 2021, 06:51:12 PM
You know the rest
Post by: The scout on August 30, 2021, 07:14:37 PM
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Post by: CarbonHunter on August 30, 2021, 07:50:57 PM
The state gets more money buy selling a state outfitter license on top of the nonresident tag.
Post by: Stein on August 30, 2021, 07:59:55 PM
Well, looks like it'll be even harder to get a tag in Idaho.
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No, just more expensive.
Nonresidents don't vote so we will always get the short end of the stick.
That said, the pendulum always swings to and fro. Guides win but others lose and they will get loud the next legislative session. Idaho hates Washington plates except they like WA debit and credit cards and the cheap resident tags NR hunters make possible. Same story with MT & WY.
They have the tags and opportunity and there are plenty of NR guys that will pay literally whatever they ask.
Post by: greenhead_killer on August 30, 2021, 08:47:28 PM
Post by: idahohuntr on August 30, 2021, 09:25:18 PM
Like what went on in Montana, I don't support catering to outfitters over diy guys. Public resource should be equally accessible to outfitted or diy NR's. That said, I would support a very small fraction of outfitter set asides in both states...but not the numbers they are getting here (or in MT).
Post by: trophyhunt on August 31, 2021, 06:48:25 AM
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Post by: CarbonHunter on August 31, 2021, 11:01:57 AM
But then again by the time the word changes there will be so many transplants from California and Washington that Idaho will simply be know as another liberal state that you can’t figure out the rules to hunt in. Or that all the animals are protected to ensure more wolves and grizzlies.
Post by: idelkslayer on August 31, 2021, 05:09:49 PM
It says it will be based on the previous 2 years total of clients that used outfitters in each area/zone. Up to 50% of the total NR allocation. If the previous 2 year client total is higher than 50% of the total allocation, the outfitters will only get 50% of the tags.
The proposal contains several tables showing what the proposed outfitter allocations will be. Very few are 50%. Some are 30%. Most are less than 15%. Here are some examples:
Panhandle Elk B-tag; Total NR allocation:1,073, Total Outfitter allocation: 92.
Dworshak Elk A tag; Total NR allocation: 149, Total Outfitter allocation: 36.
Historically the outfitter allocations do not sell out. The leftovers eventually go on sale first come first serve.
Post by: CarbonHunter on August 31, 2021, 07:40:14 PM
Read the proposal. Based on the comments it looks like nobody took the time.
It says it will be based on the previous 2 years total of clients that used outfitters in each area/zone. Up to 50% of the total NR allocation. If the previous 2 year client total is higher than 50% of the total allocation, the outfitters will only get 50% of the tags.
The proposal contains several tables showing what the proposed outfitter allocations will be. Very few are 50%. Some are 30%. Most are less than 15%. Here are some examples:
Panhandle Elk B-tag; Total NR allocation:1,073, Total Outfitter allocation: 92.
Dworshak Elk A tag; Total NR allocation: 149, Total Outfitter allocation: 36.
Historically the outfitter allocations do not sell out. The leftovers eventually go on sale first come first serve.
I read the proposal and focused on the facts that they allowed the outfitters to adjust the numbers of their previous reports to show they guided more hunters in areas where they previously said they guided less. I also looked at deer units where this is resulting in about 40% less DIY tags in 2022 then they offered in 2021. While the unit neighboring these units have only 1 or 2 outfitters tags or in some cases no outfitter tags.
It looks to me like the outfitters rigged the numbers to align with the most sought after tags of 2021 regardless of the fact that they were guiding in the neighboring units in 2020 & 2019 because they could take their clients to more than 1 unit. Just like how Idaho gave into the residents complaints about the nonresident hunters crowding areas they now just did the opposite and are allowing the guides to crowd certain trophy units while abandoning other units.
Post by: idahohuntr on August 31, 2021, 09:16:05 PM
Read the proposal. Based on the comments it looks like nobody took the time.I read the proposals, in detail, and I'm sure most others here did as well.
What carbonhunter notes, as well as others, the outfitters are 'only' taking 40-50% of the NR tags in a few units...no coincidence these are among the most popular units. But yes, there are also a number of less popular units they are only taking a small number of NR tags.
Some folks are fine with this, and even though it does not effect me at all I don't support the magnitude of allocations for outfitters...even if its just a handful of the most popular units.
In both Idaho and Montana outfitters were able to secure a lot of government welfare in the form of NR tags this year...but pendulums swing.
Post by: huntnnw on August 31, 2021, 10:17:26 PM
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Post by: GASoline71 on September 01, 2021, 09:28:48 AM
It's all a crap sandwich, I hate this. Loved stopping in the local grocery store in Orofino on the way to the woods on Oct 8th to grab my 10A rifle elk tag, used to be one of the highlights of the trip. All gone now, where are the good ole days.
You must be talking about the Orofino Marketplace. Every time we stop there for snacks, fuel and/or licenses they are super friendly and the gal at the license counter always remembered us and yaks it up with my wife about "crafting". Been too long for us to not be going through there. :)
Gary
Post by: grundy53 on September 01, 2021, 10:26:01 AM
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Post by: Duckslayer89 on September 01, 2021, 10:36:23 AM
Use to be able to pick up our whitetail tags there Thanksgiving week. Now you can't even hunt there that week let alone get a tag.
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:yeah: Not long ago I remember my brother running back into town to buy a 2nd tag too thanksgiving week.
Post by: predatorG on September 11, 2021, 07:02:30 AM
But then again by the time the word changes there will be so many transplants from California and Washington that Idaho will simply be know as another liberal state that you can’t figure out the rules to hunt in. Or that all the animals are protected to ensure more wolves and grizzlies.
From what I've heard its mainly the conservatives trying to get out of Cali and Washington that move into Idaho and Montana. I was born in MT, transplanted to WA and live in AZ now. My relatives in Montana said that despite all the movers it was a landslide conservative year last year.
As far as tags go, I found it interesting what idelkslayer said about people generalizing how many tags we'll actually lose. Its like the east coast national media companies writing articles saying that Idaho is going to have hunters kill 90% of their wolves, when in reality they are potentially allowing some units to have a limit that is equal to up to 90% of the population.
After years on this site I've constantly seen people complain about WDFW Management strategies and tag allocations, and then also complain about every other states tag and license process as well. Anyone have any states they think manage and sell tags well?