Post by: StuckoYota99 on September 06, 2021, 08:09:14 PM
Post by: Jingles on September 06, 2021, 08:22:29 PM
Post by: Scruffy on September 06, 2021, 08:37:33 PM
Post by: hunter399 on September 06, 2021, 08:52:01 PM
Post by: StuckoYota99 on September 07, 2021, 08:45:30 AM
iar with.
Post by: Rainier10 on September 07, 2021, 09:41:34 AM
Seeing as mulie does aren't legal til the 16th and the way they are demobbing equipment some areas might open up. Just don't count on any DNR land. Additionally all the does I'm seeing both mulies and WT still have fawns, most still have spots, tagging along and couple this morning still trying to nurse.:yeah: I couldn't believe the number of fawns with spots still that were trying to nurse this weekend.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on September 07, 2021, 09:49:48 AM
Fawns will keep spots until they get their winter hair on. Its completely normal for them to be sporting spots this time of year. They will also nurse as long as mom lets them, though not necessary for survival at this point.Seeing as mulie does aren't legal til the 16th and the way they are demobbing equipment some areas might open up. Just don't count on any DNR land. Additionally all the does I'm seeing both mulies and WT still have fawns, most still have spots, tagging along and couple this morning still trying to nurse.:yeah: I couldn't believe the number of fawns with spots still that were trying to nurse this weekend.
It is perfectly normal for them.
Post by: Broomd on September 07, 2021, 10:06:22 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on September 07, 2021, 10:17:06 AM
Interesting. I would say 70% of the fawns on my place are without spots already. I only have one doe with a single fawn. I have 16-20 does with twins and 2 does with triplets. The fawns with spots are half the size of the ones without. All mule deer. There are no doe tags in my unit but there used to be. The fawns can certainly make it on their own. There are plenty of other deer for them to tag along with if something happened to the doe.Fawns will keep spots until they get their winter hair on. Its completely normal for them to be sporting spots this time of year. They will also nurse as long as mom lets them, though not necessary for survival at this point.Seeing as mulie does aren't legal til the 16th and the way they are demobbing equipment some areas might open up. Just don't count on any DNR land. Additionally all the does I'm seeing both mulies and WT still have fawns, most still have spots, tagging along and couple this morning still trying to nurse.:yeah: I couldn't believe the number of fawns with spots still that were trying to nurse this weekend.
It is perfectly normal for them.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on September 07, 2021, 10:22:37 AM
Mule deer must change a bit earlier than the whitetails we have around here. Most all fawns keep spots till mid sept or later.Interesting. I would say 70% of the fawns on my place are without spots already. I only have one doe with a single fawn. I have 16-20 does with twins and 2 does with triplets. The fawns with spots are half the size of the ones without. All mule deer. There are no doe tags in my unit but there used to be. The fawns can certainly make it on their own. There are plenty of other deer for them to tag along with if something happened to the doe.Fawns will keep spots until they get their winter hair on. Its completely normal for them to be sporting spots this time of year. They will also nurse as long as mom lets them, though not necessary for survival at this point.Seeing as mulie does aren't legal til the 16th and the way they are demobbing equipment some areas might open up. Just don't count on any DNR land. Additionally all the does I'm seeing both mulies and WT still have fawns, most still have spots, tagging along and couple this morning still trying to nurse.:yeah: I couldn't believe the number of fawns with spots still that were trying to nurse this weekend.
It is perfectly normal for them.
Post by: Rainier10 on September 07, 2021, 10:53:06 AM
I was wondering if it was a whitetail/mule deer difference or maybe even a weather thing. Keep their summer(spotted) coat until temps drop and winter kicks in. Lots of variables.Mule deer must change a bit earlier than the whitetails we have around here. Most all fawns keep spots till mid sept or later.Interesting. I would say 70% of the fawns on my place are without spots already. I only have one doe with a single fawn. I have 16-20 does with twins and 2 does with triplets. The fawns with spots are half the size of the ones without. All mule deer. There are no doe tags in my unit but there used to be. The fawns can certainly make it on their own. There are plenty of other deer for them to tag along with if something happened to the doe.Fawns will keep spots until they get their winter hair on. Its completely normal for them to be sporting spots this time of year. They will also nurse as long as mom lets them, though not necessary for survival at this point.Seeing as mulie does aren't legal til the 16th and the way they are demobbing equipment some areas might open up. Just don't count on any DNR land. Additionally all the does I'm seeing both mulies and WT still have fawns, most still have spots, tagging along and couple this morning still trying to nurse.:yeah: I couldn't believe the number of fawns with spots still that were trying to nurse this weekend.
It is perfectly normal for them.
It is legal to shoot does with fawns or just fawns for that matter if you have an antlerless tag or the general season is antlerless. It all comes down to ethics and personal choice. Ethics can change based on the situation in front of you at the time.
Post by: OutHouse on September 07, 2021, 10:59:30 AM
If its legal I would never fault a sportsman for filling their tag. Just please be sure she has no fawn which can take a lot of observation time. If she ever bleats out while wondering around, she is looking for her fawn.
Post by: StuckoYota99 on September 07, 2021, 11:05:32 AM
Post by: hunter399 on September 07, 2021, 11:06:18 AM
Thanks man, but I already used onx and gmu overlay with the current fire areas to rule out gmus and areas I'm familWell if you have onx ,then you should have no problem finding another spot. No advise needed.
iar with.
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Post by: hunter399 on September 07, 2021, 11:14:12 AM
If it's legal ,put it down . Our WDFW put in Alot time and money into sustainable populations. And there always right. :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
With that said,I'd do it in a heartbeat muley or whitetail ,fawn or not.
I believe that deer have two breeding times in fall ,early and late ,so a late bread Doe will have fawns with spots later in the year ,early does that got nocked up will have fawns lose spots sooner.
It's all mother nature's plan to insure survival.
Post by: Jingles on September 07, 2021, 11:23:25 AM
Post by: jrebel on September 07, 2021, 11:29:00 AM
I'm not sure you need someone to give you a location. Have fun exploring new ground, driving the roads and finding a plump doe to whack. Heck....you may even get lucky and find a legal buck. I personally don't care to shoot does that have fawns in tow, but it is legal and they are of the age they will likely survive if you do. As for spots.....My experience is the mule deer lose their spots much earlier than the whitetail. They also grow much faster and have significantly larger bodies than the whitetails. Not sure the spots at this age signify anything more than they are this years fawns. When winter hits, they will drop their spots and still be small.
Post by: StuckoYota99 on September 07, 2021, 11:51:23 AM
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on September 07, 2021, 01:43:02 PM
Ya my plan was to stay out of the Methow Valley in general. I figured it would be easier to get information on does versus asking for information on bucks
You might want to stay out of North east Wash for whitetail does too. Blue tongue is running rampant up here. Last thing we need is more does killed...it's for our hunting future.
In the town of Colville they have had 83 dead whitetail die of blue tongue as of today at noon. Give them a break.
Post by: hunter399 on September 07, 2021, 01:44:16 PM
I believe the only unit open for archery Doe is 101.Ya my plan was to stay out of the Methow Valley in general. I figured it would be easier to get information on does versus asking for information on bucks
You might want to stay out of North east Wash for whitetail does too. Blue tongue is running rampant up here. Last thing we need is more does killed...it's for our hunting future.
In the town of Colville they have had 83 dead whitetail die of blue tongue as of today at noon. Give them a break.
Which is a pretty big area,with lots of public land.
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on September 07, 2021, 01:47:54 PM
I believe the only unit open for archery Doe is 101.Ya my plan was to stay out of the Methow Valley in general. I figured it would be easier to get information on does versus asking for information on bucks
You might want to stay out of North east Wash for whitetail does too. Blue tongue is running rampant up here. Last thing we need is more does killed...it's for our hunting future.
In the town of Colville they have had 83 dead whitetail die of blue tongue as of today at noon. Give them a break.
Which is a pretty big area,with lots of public land.
And lots of stagnant water holes with blue tongue bugs.
Post by: hunter399 on September 07, 2021, 01:52:51 PM
NEVER mind I just looked 101 is buck only ,so there is no units open around here. But I don't do archery,so I'm no expert.I believe the only unit open for archery Doe is 101.Ya my plan was to stay out of the Methow Valley in general. I figured it would be easier to get information on does versus asking for information on bucks
You might want to stay out of North east Wash for whitetail does too. Blue tongue is running rampant up here. Last thing we need is more does killed...it's for our hunting future.
In the town of Colville they have had 83 dead whitetail die of blue tongue as of today at noon. Give them a break.
Which is a pretty big area,with lots of public land.
And lots of stagnant water holes with blue tongue bugs.
Not to get to far off topic......
But I do find it strange Idaho says EHD and Washington says bluetongue.
What do you think?
Post by: StuckoYota99 on September 07, 2021, 05:07:52 PM
Post by: Bob33 on September 07, 2021, 06:01:11 PM
Post by: Remnar on September 07, 2021, 06:13:46 PM
Fawns typically wean about ten weeks after birth and can usually survive on their own after that.They can survive but it doesnt help their cause without a doe .
Im not against doe harvest . But in most units I feel it should be late season only . And some not at all .