Post by: T-Dozzer on November 04, 2021, 03:54:10 PM
I'm looking for 1st hand exspierence on towing with a Tacoma.
I'm looking at buying a UTV & trailer. A big one at that. I've somewhat landed on the 4 seat Polaris General & likely an aluminum open trailer.
The General weights 2k lbs dry.
Specs-
https://general.polaris.com/en-us/general-xp-4-1000-deluxe-matte-ghost-white-metallic/specs/
My Tacoma is the v6 4ltr with the factory tow package. The specs say it is rated for 6500lb towing capacity.
I also have a new 4runner, but it is only rated for 5k.
Questions:
- has anyone pulled around 5k with a Tacoma & had issues?
- should I add a leaf spring or mitigate load in other ways?
-do I need a double axle trailer or can I get away with a single?
Lastly- does anyone have any leads on used Generals and/or trailers?
I can go new, but would prefer to save some $$ if the deal made sense.
TIA
Post by: Stein on November 04, 2021, 04:04:34 PM
2k is fine on a single axle, I have a boat/trailer combo about 3k and have no problem at all on a single. If you bolt another thou of goodies/fuel and whatever else you might start to push it, it seems most single axles are rated around 3-3,500 max. They might make some HD versions, but that's what I've seen when I did some research on swapping out my 2665 axles for something bigger.
Post by: huntandjeep on November 04, 2021, 04:22:30 PM
Can't help with the Tacoma ( I have F350s ) . As to the General if you are going to get a new one order it NOW ( actually after Nov 9th since Polaris put astop on new orders until then ) . I put a down payment on a 22 Black Crystal General XP4 with Ride Command on July 26th
. Was told then delivery date of Oct 28ty- Nov 6th . Mid September I called to check status and it was switched to " To Be Determined " . As of yesterday the " New" delivery date is March 8th . And FYI Polaris is going to Raise the price of Generals ( actually all UTVs) soon .
If your looking for a used one just be ready to buy it instantly. They are selling fast . A local one was listed Sunday and sold Monday morning. They are out there on Craigslist and Marketplace . Here is one in Boise https://lewiston.craigslist.org/snd/d/lewiston-2021-polaris-general-dlx/7395116118.html
I would go with a 2 axle trailer , it will pull better , and haul more .
Post by: Woodchuck on November 04, 2021, 04:52:52 PM
I was surprised how well the truck handled it.
Post by: ASHQUACK on November 04, 2021, 05:56:32 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on November 04, 2021, 06:07:27 PM
Post by: jrebel on November 04, 2021, 06:24:25 PM
How are you getting to 5K based on SxS and trailer....that is one heavy trailer. I would think an aluminum trailer wouldn't weigh more than 1500 lbs, and that would be a dual axle robust / overbuilt trailer.
You can easily get away with a single axle trailer if it has a 3500 lb axle under it. With that said, if you go with a dual axle trailer it will have to have trailer breaks....your weak point will be braking so having a dual axle trailer with trailer brakes may be a benefit.
Post by: NRA4LIFE on November 04, 2021, 06:42:18 PM
Post by: T-Dozzer on November 04, 2021, 08:01:18 PM
Don't think Ide want to go air bags since this wouldn't stay my tow rig for too long.
Maybe I better start shopping trailers 1st.
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Post by: jrebel on November 04, 2021, 08:06:41 PM
I was being pretty conservative I guess incase I went with steel.
Don't think Ide want to go air bags since this wouldn't stay my tow rig for too long.
Maybe I better start shopping trailers 1st.
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I've got a 16' dual axle heavy duty dump trailer that only weighs 5K. A duel axle 16" steel trailer is gonna run you less than 2k and likely close to 1,500lbs. I would think a 14' aluminum would fit the bill and be around 800-1000 lbs. This is based on my knowledge of how much aluminum snowmobile trailers weigh. You will be fine towing a SxS....again with braking being your weak point.
Post by: T-Dozzer on November 04, 2021, 08:10:03 PM
Great, thanks. I must have been way overestimating.I was being pretty conservative I guess incase I went with steel.
Don't think Ide want to go air bags since this wouldn't stay my tow rig for too long.
Maybe I better start shopping trailers 1st.
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I've got a 16' dual axle heavy duty dump trailer that only weighs 5K. A duel axle 16" steel trailer is gonna run you less than 2k and likely close to 1,500lbs. I would think a 14' aluminum would fit the bill and be around 800-1000 lbs. This is based on my knowledge of how much aluminum snowmobile trailers weigh. You will be fine towing a SxS....again with braking being your weak point.
Anyone have places they like for trailers?
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Post by: JBar on November 04, 2021, 08:14:38 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on November 04, 2021, 08:31:16 PM
Polaris general's
Post by: jrebel on November 04, 2021, 08:31:28 PM
This would be a pretty amazing trailer that would also give you trailer brakes. I'm assuming your rig is not equipped with trailer brakes so that may be an upgrade you need. Also assuming you only have a 4 flat plug. If my assumptions are correct, you may be better off with a single axle and knowing that braking could be a concern on steep downhills.
This trailer runs around 1,500lbs.
Here is the 14" single axle.
https://spokane.craigslist.org/trb/d/spokane-7x14-3k-high-country-trailer/7402561698.html
Post by: jburkett on November 04, 2021, 09:25:03 PM
Post by: T-Dozzer on November 04, 2021, 10:03:03 PM
I have an 07 taco with the 4.0 and tow with it regularly. That truck won’t have any issues pulling your set up at all. I use mine to haul my all steel drive on drive off two quad trailer with a pair of heavy big bore quads on it and have no issues at all. It runs down the interstate at 70 without even breaking a sweatAre you having rear-end sag?
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Post by: pianoman9701 on November 05, 2021, 07:38:57 AM
Post by: Ridgeratt on November 05, 2021, 07:53:17 AM
Are you having rear-end sag?
Since everyones feelings are hurt so easily. I'm not sure you can ask that question? :chuckle:
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Post by: MR5x5 on November 05, 2021, 08:19:28 AM
https://www.tacomaworld.com/forums/2nd-gen-tacomas-2005-2015.5/
Post by: Mudman on November 05, 2021, 09:17:00 AM
Post by: huntandjeep on November 05, 2021, 09:54:51 AM
16' car hauler?That's what I am going to use . We'll actually an 18' . More versatile.
Post by: Sandberm on November 05, 2021, 09:59:41 AM
Post by: MR5x5 on November 05, 2021, 10:05:02 AM
When pulling 4000+lbs the Tacoma transmission doesn't overheat? Don't need to install an aftermarket transmission cooler?
Just keep it out of OD except when cruising flat. Lugging a 2nd gen w/o towing anything will send Trans temps past 200 pretty quickly.
Post by: pianoman9701 on November 05, 2021, 10:47:42 AM
Good to know, thanks.When pulling 4000+lbs the Tacoma transmission doesn't overheat? Don't need to install an aftermarket transmission cooler?
Just keep it out of OD except when cruising flat. Lugging a 2nd gen w/o towing anything will send Trans temps past 200 pretty quickly.
Post by: T-Dozzer on November 05, 2021, 11:34:21 AM
Some good info in this thread.
I didn't realize that the factory equipped tow package came with a cooler.
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Post by: jburkett on November 05, 2021, 11:59:47 AM
I have an 07 taco with the 4.0 and tow with it regularly. That truck won’t have any issues pulling your set up at all. I use mine to haul my all steel drive on drive off two quad trailer with a pair of heavy big bore quads on it and have no issues at all. It runs down the interstate at 70 without even breaking a sweatAre you having rear-end sag?
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I have a 2” suspension lift on my Tacoma and the ride is a bit stiffer than it was stock so I don’t really sag in the rear. Maybe an inch or two is all but the added weight of the trailer helps the ride quality lol
Post by: dewandgin on November 05, 2021, 04:12:50 PM
Post by: MR5x5 on November 08, 2021, 07:18:26 AM
https://www.ultra-gauge.com/ultragauge/index.htm
Pretty simple, just pulls from the OBD2 bus, but seeing things like the TC temp when towing is pretty valuable.
There is also this one;
https://www.scangauge.com/
Post by: Sandberm on November 08, 2021, 08:07:26 AM
I wasn't impressed with my 08 1500 Silverado 4L60E the first time I towed my 20 ft travel trailer and going up Loup Loup in 50F temps the transmission temp went over 220. It already has an extra transmission cooler so i tied in another one and it lowered the tranny temp easily between 20-30 degrees. Impressive.
Post by: thinkingman on November 08, 2021, 10:00:11 AM
I had a manual on my 06 Tacoma which is a much better towing setup than an auto, unless you need to back up, in which case the reverse ratio in that box was comically long...Needed 4lo to do any reversing on a grade.
The rear suspension needs work to begin with...any tongue weight over 100lbs will have you on the frame rails and is taking important steering weight off your front tires.
Any lift is raising your center of gravity and putting the trailer in charge of the operation.
I would look for an aluminum tandem trailer and be realistic about what you have.
Post by: Mudman on November 08, 2021, 11:06:44 AM
Post by: T-Dozzer on November 08, 2021, 03:09:56 PM
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