Post by: ganghis on December 08, 2021, 06:17:02 PM
https://blog.eastmans.com/grizzly-poached-google-solves-case/
Post by: RightPlace-RightTime on December 08, 2021, 06:25:48 PM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 08, 2021, 06:34:07 PM
Post by: full choke on December 08, 2021, 06:37:23 PM
There must be more to that request.
Post by: trophyhunt on December 08, 2021, 06:48:46 PM
Post by: highside74 on December 08, 2021, 07:01:16 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on December 08, 2021, 07:39:07 PM
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/government-orders-google-to-track-anyone-who-searches-certain-terms/
Post by: snake on December 08, 2021, 07:53:27 PM
Let’s not publicly hang someone before they are actually found guilty. Probably self defense and scared to report it. Shot with a pistol close range? Wish they put in the effort on managing deer and elk as they do predators.Totally agree. Article is making a lot of assumptions. Horribly written in my opinion. I have had this discussion with buddies of mine and many have said it would probably be easier to not report it even if its self defense than reporting it and going through an investigation. No good deed goes unpunished.
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on December 08, 2021, 08:49:05 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 08, 2021, 09:21:57 PM
That's a pistol. FN Five-Seven
One does not generally go out to poach grizz with a small caliber pistol.
Post by: wags on December 08, 2021, 09:29:52 PM
Case is not solved! Just showed the dude was there. More sensational, quick judgement thinking. :dunno:Agree.
While I'm not trying to justify whoever poached this bear, I'm betting any attorney who is worth 2 cents will get these guys cleared.
Unless something has changed in our legal system or there is more to this story, I don't believe that law enforcement can just go on a fishing expedition with a blanket search of random devices that Google has record of. It would be different if law enforcement had probable cause to believe these guys are suspects and then went to Google to see if these guys had been in the area at the time of the bears death. But they can't just snoop on everyone and see who might fit their narrative, that is; were in the area at the time of the bears death.
Post by: full choke on December 08, 2021, 09:30:26 PM
According to the article the bear was killed with a 5.7mm
That's a pistol. FN Five-Seven
One does not generally go out to poach grizz with a small caliber pistol.
But it does say something about the 5.7 round! :tup:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 08, 2021, 09:33:56 PM
According to the article the bear was killed with a 5.7mm
That's a pistol. FN Five-Seven
One does not generally go out to poach grizz with a small caliber pistol.
5.7x28 is a cartridge they also make rifles chambered for it like the ps90.
Post by: RB on December 08, 2021, 09:35:56 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 08, 2021, 09:40:11 PM
According to the article the bear was killed with a 5.7mm
That's a pistol. FN Five-Seven
One does not generally go out to poach grizz with a small caliber pistol.
5.7x28 is a cartridge they also make rifles chambered for it like the ps90.
Improbable the bear was shot with a PS90 :chuckle:
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 08, 2021, 09:42:39 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 08, 2021, 09:44:39 PM
Totally random question, if a phone is in "Airplane Mode" is it still being tracked?
Airplane mode would not stop the tracking.
Post by: KFhunter on December 08, 2021, 09:46:46 PM
You never know! Can’t rule it out can’t automatically say it was a pistol :chuckle: highly likely but there is a few rifle offerings. Semi autos and a bolt gun or 2 as well. I know more then a few people that own them.
The article said the "poachers" destroyed the weapon, a pistol. Any other pistols use 5.7mm ?
Post by: bigtex on December 08, 2021, 09:51:54 PM
How does IDFG get a warrant to force Google to release information on cell phones in the area? That doesn't seem entirely legal?It's a geo-fence warrant. Google it and you'll see all sorts of articles on them.
There must be more to that request.
Post by: KFhunter on December 08, 2021, 09:55:02 PM
I'm calling it self defense, unless IDFG has specific knowledge and needed the geofence hit to get another warrant....
No one is gonna go on foot and gun down a grizz in pistol range on purpose.
The way media is today, I can totally understand not wanting your names blasted out on the news too...get Rittenhoused
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 08, 2021, 09:57:54 PM
Said a bear cub was found dead nearby. So don't know if it died from gun shot or just died cause the sow got killed. If it was that young and close to the den "from when the event happened probably the later" she could have for sure been aggressive to justify lethal force. Don't know if it was intentional poaching, or they just got scared and didnt turn it in and tried to destroy the weapon fearing problems.
Post by: X-Force on December 08, 2021, 10:10:46 PM
Totally random question, if a phone is in "Airplane Mode" is it still being tracked?
Definitely still works, same reason onX works in airplane mode. The phone still knows where it is.
Post by: X-Force on December 08, 2021, 10:15:46 PM
I have pictures of a Montana hunter who had to defend himself against a grizz this year. He reported it, LEO interviewed him, walked the scene and documented it and that was it. Definitely a scary situation.
Post by: Jingles on December 09, 2021, 05:25:25 AM
Post by: LDennis24 on December 09, 2021, 05:51:24 AM
Post by: Special T on December 09, 2021, 06:24:31 AM
Totally random question, if a phone is in "Airplane Mode" is it still being tracked?
Yes. Many studies on this have been done.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on December 09, 2021, 07:19:00 AM
Case is not solved! Just showed the dude was there. More sensational, quick judgement thinking. :dunno:
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/12/father-and-son-charged-in-death-of-mother-grizzly-bear/
Sounds like they confessed
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on December 09, 2021, 07:38:09 AM
Case is not solved! Just showed the dude was there. More sensational, quick judgement thinking. :dunno:
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/12/father-and-son-charged-in-death-of-mother-grizzly-bear/
Sounds like they confessed
Uh oh....now we know....
Post by: wags on December 09, 2021, 09:05:54 AM
For some reason people want to talk to the police.
t=5s
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 09, 2021, 09:15:19 AM
Post by: logola512c on December 09, 2021, 09:52:03 AM
Post by: Duckslayer89 on December 09, 2021, 10:03:38 AM
I always laugh a little when I read the comments on the news stories. Inevitably the commenters say that poachers should never be allowed to hunt again or get any hunting licenses. Do they not realize that hunting without a license is almost literally the definition of poaching... It's like not letting someone get a driver's license that is arrested multiple times for driving without a license...
I know it’s laughable but also not funny they always talk like the poachers are just hunters who shot something out of season. Throwing us all in the same little group
Post by: OutHouse on December 09, 2021, 10:38:12 AM
How does IDFG get a warrant to force Google to release information on cell phones in the area? That doesn't seem entirely legal?
There must be more to that request.
All they have to do is present sufficient facts to the judge who signs the warrant. Here, the officer probably detailed his knowledge of how google can track electronic devices and thus he has reasonable grounds (probable cause) to believe that the suspect's device could be identified by google. Judge signs, serve the warrant on google, and presto chango all devices in the area at the time are identified. They do this in criminal cases because they can get a general idea of where your phone was by triangulating with cell towers. They serve a warrant on your provider in that instance.
Post by: OutHouse on December 09, 2021, 11:35:51 AM
Case is not solved! Just showed the dude was there. More sensational, quick judgement thinking. :dunno:
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/12/father-and-son-charged-in-death-of-mother-grizzly-bear/
Sounds like they confessed
Looks like they confessed to shooting it but I didn't see that they presented any justification. Time will tell.
Post by: pickardjw on December 09, 2021, 11:46:28 AM
Case is not solved! Just showed the dude was there. More sensational, quick judgement thinking. :dunno:
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/12/father-and-son-charged-in-death-of-mother-grizzly-bear/
Sounds like they confessed
Looks like they confessed to shooting it but I didn't see that they presented any justification. Time will tell.
Yeah that's what I saw. That's a way better article too. I assume one could claim self defense and get off with a slap on the wrist for not reporting with a good lawyer. But they said that they both took shots at the bear with the gun so...that doesn't look good. Sow with cub is definitely a situation where self defense would be probable.
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 09, 2021, 11:49:47 AM
If the father and son had just refused to talk to law enforcement the case would have gone nowhere.
For some reason people want to talk to the police.
t=5s
The people who most screw themselves by talking to police are usually those who support the police and think they're just being good citizens by being truthful. You see this all the time in true crime where a guy becomes a suspect because of how forthcoming he is to the LE, instead of just saying "it's time for a lawyer".
Post by: ganghis on December 09, 2021, 12:00:52 PM
Post by: logola512c on December 09, 2021, 12:45:44 PM
That's a great video. I guess my point in starting this thread was less about guilt or innocence of the accused, but more about the technology that was used to catch them. I really doubt there's many people that would think "hey I'm going to turn my cell off and go around and try to find a wolf to shoot even though its illegal." More likely, it would be a random encounter when you're doing ordinary things with your phone (like using onX or whatever). So folks should just be aware of the technology that might be brought to bear against them if they make the decision to shoot.Can the reverse also be true, though? Can they use a cell phone that is powered up to find someone that is lost or injured? Or is this a GPS log that is uploaded after a person gets back into coverage? Just wondering if there's any good that can come of it.
Post by: Bullkllr on December 09, 2021, 01:00:37 PM
Post by: Dan-o on December 09, 2021, 01:05:29 PM
This is one reason I only use burners.
You have FN5.7 burners?
That gets expensive.
Post by: Special T on December 09, 2021, 03:22:05 PM
This is one reason I only use burners.
This discussion takes you down a forensic rabbit hole. If you've called anyone or txt then the correlation data can triangulate you. I'm not sure you can cover up something like this event. It would have to be planned an even then you would have to know as much as a cop does.
Post by: snake on December 09, 2021, 03:43:05 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on December 09, 2021, 03:44:42 PM
Friend of mines dad, who spent 10 years in prison. Gave me some advice, he said " If you are guilty, hire a good lawyer. If you are innocent, hire a good lawyer.":tup:
Post by: Broomd on January 10, 2022, 10:23:03 PM
But the FBI can't figure out who the guy wearing red on Jan 6th in DC is. Uh huh suuuure
Yep, we're living in dark times.