Post by: actionshooter on January 12, 2022, 06:18:11 PM
There has never been a documented case of a packgoat transmitting disease in the US... This has been hotly contested for years with the FWS and packgoats have been banned in a few NF and Parks without any evidence.
Comment Here.. https://publicinput.com/DomesticSheepAndGoats
Post by: Ironhead on January 12, 2022, 06:29:33 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/about/regulations/development/domestic-sheep-and-goats-wdfw-lands?fbclid=IwAR1Z3gzgIXeIXX_cL3XHhphI_GEZRDWVGqpYZNuWsKXI4N9hknHUD8fgTRsBut... Its ok for 3000 sheep to graze on NF land every year in the Swakane.
There has never been a documented case of a packgoat transmitting disease in the US... This has been hotly contested for years with the FWS and packgoats have been banned in a few NF and Parks without any evidence.
Post by: D-Rock425 on January 12, 2022, 06:31:56 PM
Post by: hunter399 on January 12, 2022, 07:24:28 PM
But if I was a betting man,I'm sure it has to do with CWD .
They are just inching closer to the ultimate goal of no baiting deer or elk of any kind.
Never mind my above comments......
It's says they are trying to prevent this in bighorn sheep.
Mycoplasma ovipneumoniae is a respiratory bacterium associated with economically impactful pneumonia in domestic sheep and goats since 1972, when it was first described.
Sounds like it would only be on WDFW lands.
Post by: builtfordtough on January 12, 2022, 07:32:28 PM
Post by: actionshooter on January 12, 2022, 07:55:50 PM
I'm not saying it right or wrong or personal opinion.
But if I was a betting man,I'm sure it has to do with CWD .
They are just inching closer to the ultimate goal of no baiting deer or elk of any kind.
Never mind my above comments......
It's says they are trying to prevent this in bighorn sheep.
Mycoplasma ovipneumoniae is a respiratory bacterium associated with economically impactful pneumonia in domestic sheep and goats since 1972, when it was first described.
Sounds like it would only be on WDFW lands.
They say they are trying to prevent MOVI, (pneumonia) in wild sheep, but there has NEVER been a documented case of packgoats spreading MOVI and there have been several studies that back this up.... this fight has been going on forever in other states. From what I understand California just passed something similar.... imagine that..
Post by: jstone on January 12, 2022, 08:15:13 PM
Post by: fireweed on January 12, 2022, 09:51:14 PM
Post by: hunter399 on January 12, 2022, 09:54:28 PM
I'm not saying I'm for or against it.I'm not saying it right or wrong or personal opinion.
But if I was a betting man,I'm sure it has to do with CWD .
They are just inching closer to the ultimate goal of no baiting deer or elk of any kind.
Never mind my above comments......
It's says they are trying to prevent this in bighorn sheep.
Mycoplasma ovipneumoniae is a respiratory bacterium associated with economically impactful pneumonia in domestic sheep and goats since 1972, when it was first described.
Sounds like it would only be on WDFW lands.
They say they are trying to prevent MOVI, (pneumonia) in wild sheep, but there has NEVER been a documented case of packgoats spreading MOVI and there have been several studies that back this up.... this fight has been going on forever in other states. From what I understand California just passed something similar.... imagine that..
I just went and googled it and posted for discussion purpose.
So that everybody in this topic is on the same page ,of what WDFW says they are trying to do.
Carry on discussion👍
Post by: Seabass on January 12, 2022, 10:06:27 PM
The new wildlife "recreation plan" wants to get rid of them too.
It looks to me like the new “recreation plan” wants to get rid of all of us.
Post by: Jingles on January 13, 2022, 06:00:32 AM
As far as the bands of sheep grazing in areas, other members of this forum can either verify or tell me I'm wrong but when we had the bands of 10,000 sheep and herds of 300 head of cattle grazing the OWNF there were fires but not as catastrophic that consumed so many acres as the sheep and cattle kept the undergrowth grazed down. Then the grazing permits were sold to conservation groups and
the fires of hell rage every summer.
Just my :twocents:
Post by: Platensek-po on January 13, 2022, 06:23:47 AM
I would bet this is being driven by the bunny loving, flower sniffing, spandex wearing, prius driving, tree hugging, CNW members rather than a science based study results.
As far as the bands of sheep grazing in areas, other members of this forum can either verify or tell me I'm wrong but when we had the bands of 10,000 sheep and herds of 300 head of cattle grazing the OWNF there were fires but not as catastrophic that consumed so many acres as the sheep and cattle kept the undergrowth grazed down. Then the grazing permits were sold to conservation groups and
the fires of hell rage every summer.
Just my :twocents:
I think the bigger problem with domestic sheep is the spread of diseases to wild sheep not necessarily the grazing. Goats and llamas and etc I’m not so sure about. If it comes down to a choice I would choose wild sheep over domestic on our public lands. But I would say the same about bison and domestic cattle but we won’t be getting bison back on our public lands anytime soon.
Post by: Forks on January 13, 2022, 08:03:53 AM
Inslee copies California GovernorThat's because they sleep together a couple nights a week.
Post by: LDennis24 on January 13, 2022, 08:11:08 AM
I would bet this is being driven by the bunny loving, flower sniffing, spandex wearing, prius driving, tree hugging, CNW members rather than a science based study results.
As far as the bands of sheep grazing in areas, other members of this forum can either verify or tell me I'm wrong but when we had the bands of 10,000 sheep and herds of 300 head of cattle grazing the OWNF there were fires but not as catastrophic that consumed so many acres as the sheep and cattle kept the undergrowth grazed down. Then the grazing permits were sold to conservation groups and
the fires of hell rage every summer.
Just my :twocents:
I think the bigger problem with domestic sheep is the spread of diseases to wild sheep not necessarily the grazing. Goats and llamas and etc I’m not so sure about. If it comes down to a choice I would choose wild sheep over domestic on our public lands. But I would say the same about bison and domestic cattle but we won’t be getting bison back on our public lands anytime soon.
:yeah:
Post by: jasnt on January 13, 2022, 08:24:06 AM
Just one more tiny cut that most hunters won’t care about. Chip chip chip.
Post by: Seabass on January 13, 2022, 08:42:07 AM
I would bet this is being driven by the bunny loving, flower sniffing, spandex wearing, prius driving, tree hugging, CNW members rather than a science based study results.
As far as the bands of sheep grazing in areas, other members of this forum can either verify or tell me I'm wrong but when we had the bands of 10,000 sheep and herds of 300 head of cattle grazing the OWNF there were fires but not as catastrophic that consumed so many acres as the sheep and cattle kept the undergrowth grazed down. Then the grazing permits were sold to conservation groups and
the fires of hell rage every summer.
Just my :twocents:
All of these new policies are coming from the same place. These people are fundamentally opposed to the way you and I live our lives.
Post by: Smokepole on January 13, 2022, 09:00:43 AM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 13, 2022, 09:04:37 AM
Post by: 2MANY on January 13, 2022, 09:33:01 AM
Just sayin.
Post by: WAcoueshunter on January 13, 2022, 09:42:57 AM
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ourfocus/animalhealth/sa_animal_disease_information/sheep-goat/movi/mycoplasma-ovipneumoniae
"Prevalence in domestic goats is less understood and studies differ. An unpublished Alaskan study detected M. ovipneumoniae in 4/32 domestic goat premises (12%), and in 12/485 domestic goats (2.5%), while a Washington study sampled 84 goats from 16 premises and detected M. ovipneumoniae in 7/16 (44%) premises (individual animal results not reported). An unpublished study, sampling goats on pack goat premises in 12 states, found M. ovipneumoniae in 14/83 premises (17%) and 46/571 of all goats sampled (8%), with significantly higher prevalence in those less than 1 year of age. An ongoing USDA NAHMS national study will report M. ovipneumoniae prevalence in U.S. domestic goats."
Post by: pickardjw on January 13, 2022, 09:58:50 AM
Post by: Platensek-po on January 13, 2022, 10:32:18 AM
Comment left. What an unnecessary and discriminatory proposal. It would ban pack goats in areas where wild sheep don't even live! Absurd.
I do agree that they should at least be allowed were there are no wild sheep.
Post by: Rainier10 on January 13, 2022, 10:44:24 AM
:yeah:I would bet this is being driven by the bunny loving, flower sniffing, spandex wearing, prius driving, tree hugging, CNW members rather than a science based study results.
As far as the bands of sheep grazing in areas, other members of this forum can either verify or tell me I'm wrong but when we had the bands of 10,000 sheep and herds of 300 head of cattle grazing the OWNF there were fires but not as catastrophic that consumed so many acres as the sheep and cattle kept the undergrowth grazed down. Then the grazing permits were sold to conservation groups and
the fires of hell rage every summer.
Just my :twocents:
I think the bigger problem with domestic sheep is the spread of diseases to wild sheep not necessarily the grazing. Goats and llamas and etc I’m not so sure about. If it comes down to a choice I would choose wild sheep over domestic on our public lands. But I would say the same about bison and domestic cattle but we won’t be getting bison back on our public lands anytime soon.
:yeah:
Post by: Special T on January 13, 2022, 11:03:50 AM
Post by: Broomd on January 13, 2022, 12:48:33 PM
Post by: Mudman on January 13, 2022, 03:03:53 PM
Post by: Platensek-po on January 13, 2022, 03:04:29 PM
Wait till they ban HORSES! :chuckle:
I mean…. It’s a much much larger user group than pack goats but….
Post by: Oldguy on January 13, 2022, 03:16:53 PM
Post by: Ironhead on January 13, 2022, 04:24:10 PM
Post by: Smokepole on January 13, 2022, 06:13:44 PM
Are pack goats even used in the same areas as Bighorn? Why a blanket ban on wdfw lands? Surely wdfw is overacting with a blanket ban.
No I don't think they are.
Post by: WAcoueshunter on January 13, 2022, 06:30:49 PM
Are pack goats even used in the same areas as Bighorn? Why a blanket ban on wdfw lands? Surely wdfw is overacting with a blanket ban.
No I don't think they are.
If you took them to pack out your bighorn they would be. :dunno:
Post by: Special T on January 13, 2022, 10:28:56 PM
Ive never used goats but know folks that have. Ive never heard of using them for bighorns. Normally high country hints for deer and bear. Perhaps im not familuar enoug with possible wdfw conflict lands but a blanker ban seems like overkill.Are pack goats even used in the same areas as Bighorn? Why a blanket ban on wdfw lands? Surely wdfw is overacting with a blanket ban.
No I don't think they are.
If you took them to pack out your bighorn they would be. :dunno: