Post by: ing on May 07, 2009, 06:56:21 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 07:11:31 AM
Post by: Slider on May 07, 2009, 08:07:20 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 07, 2009, 08:14:12 AM
i just picked up a 257 wby and have not fired it yet... it sure is a flat shooter and should flatten pretty much anything i plan to use it on. for a deer rifle i'm not sure why you'd need the 300wby. recoil would be heavier and i imagine the ammo would be pricier.
Post by: Mike450r on May 07, 2009, 08:43:59 AM
I loaned my .300 to a friend for a deer hunt. He shot a decent sized blacktail that was on the move freehand at about 100 yards. Hit right smack in the hind quarters. The deer dropped and was stone dead by the time we got to it which didn't take long. Both hind quarters were essentially wrecked. I have shot a few deer with it as well and there is still excessive bloodshot with a well placed shot. The .257 isn't exactly meat friendly with it's extreme velocity just not as much carnage as the .300.
Post by: jackelope on May 07, 2009, 08:48:30 AM
Post by: littlebuf on May 07, 2009, 08:48:55 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 07, 2009, 08:52:08 AM
maybe a 257 roberts would be something to look at in a 25 cal.
Post by: Intruder on May 07, 2009, 08:55:16 AM
Edited...
Didn't see your recoil posts. For a small women or child you might want to consider a 243, 257 Roberts, 260, or 7mm-08. Again, I'm not sure if you are just dead set on owning a Weatherby or not.
I'd also suggest buy the Mark series gun. The Vanguard is just a Howa rifle. They're decent but not truly a Weatherby.
Post by: bearpaw on May 07, 2009, 09:09:43 AM
Post by: JoshT on May 07, 2009, 09:15:11 AM
For straight buck huntin, the 257 is perty hard to beat. Line it up against your 25/06 at the range, or in the field, you will notice a distinct advantage. Been pondering the 80 grain ttsx, 17'' of drop at 500 yards? 300 weatherby ain't a bad thing either. Check out the Ultra Lightweights. Later
Shooting 100 grainers I didn't notice a difference between my .25-06 and my .257 Roy at ranges that didn't require a rangefinder (inside about 350 or so) and after that even a monkey can turn a turret... that's why the .257 doesn't live at my house anymore. The 80 grain TTSX does look cool... but at 500 it's not drop... but wind that'll eat your lunch (but you know that)... and the 80 TTSX has a BC rougly equivilent to a ping pong ball. I like the .257 when running the 115s though... it has a good advantage there. But, running slow powders like Retumbo and Magnum allow for 3200 with a 115 in the 25-06... that's only about 200fps slower than the Roy... and it takes a 26" pipe to do that with the .257.
The .300 Roy is about the most gun that folks can shoot without starting to get a little nervous... it's a handfull... but a manageable one. A 200 grain bullet at 3000fps is no joke... on either end. I'd split the difference and go 7mm Roy... mine would run 120s at 3600 and 160s at 3100... I'd not want to play catch with either of those projectiles... and recoil was about half what the .300 is.
Post by: Intruder on May 07, 2009, 09:34:45 AM
Post by: whacker1 on May 07, 2009, 09:36:49 AM
If I were to buy a gun in that neighborhood, I would be looking at the 25-06.
Post by: jackelope on May 07, 2009, 09:57:19 AM
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The most over-the-top cartridges among these, using the lightest bullets in their caliber suitable for even the smallest big game animals, can gain a few more yards, but at the cost of their versatility for use on larger game. For instance, the .300 Ultra Magnum with a 150 grain bullet at a MV of 3450 fps has a maximum point blank range (MPBR) of 335 yards. The .257 Weatherby Magnum with a 100 grain bullet at a MV of 3600 fps has a MPBR of 337 yards. The .30-378 Weatherby Magnum with a 165 grain bullet has a MPBR of 342 yards. The .300 Weatherby Magnum with a 150 grain bullet at a MV of 3540 fps has a MPBR of 343 yards.
These are radical, over-bore cartridges shooting the lightest practical bullets, and they average a MPBR of 339.25 yards. This represents an average increase in MPBR of less than 15 yards (4.6%) over the same cartridges shooting heavier bullets of far greater all-around usefulness. By almost any standard that is a poor trade-off.
Compared to the .270 Winchester, with its MPBR of 305 yards with the versatile 130 grain bullet, we have gained an extra 30 to 38 yards of MPBR (a 10% to 12.5% increase). In the case of the .300 Magnums, the price for this modest increase in maximum range is about a 60% to 300% increase in recoil (depending on the specific caliber), a similar increase in muzzle blast and the cost of ammunition, and a decrease in general utility! Seen from this perspective, only the .257 Weatherby makes any kind of sense, as at least its recoil is on a par with the .270 Winchester.
Of course, where I live, a box of .257 Weatherby cartridges retails for almost exactly three times as much as a box of .270 cartridges ($45 compared to $15 at my local discount store as I write these words). I know, because I own a .257 Weatherby rifle and I bought a box of Weatherby factory loads yesterday (120 grain bullets at 3305 fps, a MPBR of 317 yards). This is an excellent general purpose big game load for the caliber, nearly as versatile as the 130 grain .270 load, and I really like my .257 Weatherby rifle. But even I have to wonder if a 12 yard (3.9%) increase in MPBR can justify a 300% higher price for ammunition!
Post by: Intruder on May 07, 2009, 10:00:57 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 01:05:25 PM
Never put turrets on it, thought about, but never have. Killed bucks at over 500, coyotes over 400. Practice up with it if you get it, its a perty easy cartridge too "learn".
Post by: JoshT on May 07, 2009, 01:22:32 PM
Post by: Mike450r on May 07, 2009, 01:29:36 PM
mike450r what bullets are you shooting in the 257 that is wrecking meat?
120 gr partitions, And I wouldn't necessarily say wrecking meat as I am a heart/lung shooter but the shock of 120 grs hitting at 3000 fps has bloodshot all the rib meat which there isn't much I suppose but tends to bleed into the front shoulder area pretty bad. Substantial exit wounds though (fist size) on the 2 deer I have shot with it especially for a .25 caliber.
Post by: bearpaw on May 07, 2009, 01:33:16 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 01:52:07 PM
25/06 hottest load
IMR 4350 51.0 grains 3352
257 Wby Mag
AA3100 68 grains 3602
250 fps 17 grains
30/06
RL22 61.0 grains 2872
300 Roy
RL19 79.0 grains 3198
326 fps diff 18 grains+/-
So, 75 fps off, thats why I said "about". I know there are better loads for all of em. I know with Rl 25 in a Mark V 257 you can touch 3700fps. I don't think the writer was talking about "efficency"? There are trade offs through out life, fast and flat is one of em. It all come down to what a guy wants I reckon. My money is on the 257.......
Post by: Hillbilly270 on May 07, 2009, 01:57:34 PM
Post by: Intruder on May 07, 2009, 01:58:30 PM
i dont mean to butt in but do you guys honestly think a deer cares how fast a bullet is going when it hits them? :twocents:
:chuckle:.... well said
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 02:05:40 PM
Post by: Bofire on May 07, 2009, 02:40:09 PM
Carl
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 02:43:03 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 07, 2009, 02:52:31 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 03:01:51 PM
Post by: JoshT on May 07, 2009, 03:09:35 PM
250 fps (a 7% increase)... using an extra 17 grains (30% more powder)... and increased blast and recoil... all for 5" less drop and 2" less wind at 500 yards (32" vs. 27"... & 18.5" vs. 16.5")... both using a 200yd zero??? Drop back to 400 yards and the difference is about 3"... and at 300 yards the difference is less than an inch. "Flat shooting" is only relevant to about 350... then you better have a rangefinder... and if you have a known range... then it doesn't really matter how "flat" your round is... provided you have the experience, data, and where-with-all to make the shot.
To put it in the words of the great Tom Jackson... COME ON MAN. I like the Roy, it's an awesome killing machine... but not any better than the .25-06 in my experience. I'm a quarter-bore whore... and I'd not sell one to get the other... but to me... the .25-06 does everything one can reasonably expect to do with a .257 cal bullet.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 03:22:42 PM
Apples to Apples... or 24" barrel to 24" barrel... it's 200 fps... maybe. But, using your (Nosler's) numbers:
250 fps (a 7% increase)... using an extra 17 grains (30% more powder)... and increased blast and recoil... all for 5" less drop and 2" less wind at 500 yards (32" vs. 27"... & 18.5" vs. 16.5")... both using a 200yd zero??? Drop back to 400 yards and the difference is about 3"... and at 300 yards the difference is less than an inch. "Flat shooting" is only relevant to about 350... then you better have a rangefinder... and if you have a known range... then it doesn't really matter how "flat" your round is... provided you have the experience, data, and where-with-all to make the shot.
To put it in the words of the great Tom Jackson... COME ON MAN. I like the Roy, it's an awesome killing machine... but not any better than the .25-06 in my experience. I'm a quarter-bore whore... and I'd not sell one to get the other... but to me... the .25-06 does everything one can reasonably expect to do with a .257 cal bullet.
This is where it gets funny. I remember when the vanguard came out in 257. Layne Simpson did a article. According to his testing, the vanguard, with 2'' less of snout, beat the mark V by 30 fps. Marketing scam? methinks. Have I tested it? Nope. Have I shot a 25/06 next to a 257 enough to know? Yep. I'm a Roy whore though Josh. Got a 240 and 300 Roy Ultra lightweights on the way.
Post by: jackelope on May 07, 2009, 03:26:24 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 03:27:36 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 03:37:22 PM
Post by: JoshT on May 07, 2009, 03:51:34 PM
If we do have a little get together it would be cool to actually see what some of these loads do over the same chrony... it would give a pretty good idea of what's what.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 03:59:17 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 07, 2009, 04:06:15 PM
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If we do have a little get together it would be cool to actually see what some of these loads do over the same chrony... it would give a pretty good idea of what's what.
we need to work on that.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 04:13:44 PM
QuoteIf we do have a little get together it would be cool to actually see what some of these loads do over the same chrony... it would give a pretty good idea of what's what.
we need to work on that.
Got my bench and swingers built finally. We can get 600 yards right here at my place. Maybe this summer we can do a shoot, get a couple differant chrony's rollin and compare notes between a few of us?
Post by: JoshT on May 07, 2009, 04:21:15 PM
With the 300 RUM I can run 210 Bergers at 3150 using 93 grains of powder... at 500 yards that's 2800fpe... or about 30fpe/grain of powder.
With the .300 Winny you can run 210 Bergers at about 2800 using around 75 grains of powder... at 500 yards that's 2100fpe... or about 28fpe/grain.
Sooo... using 25% more powder I get 33% more downrange punch... that's actually MORE efficient.
The same can't be said for the .257 vs. the 25-06 (using your numbers from Nosler):
The option to step up in bullet weight beyond the capacity of the case... really isn't there like it is with the big .30s. 115-120s is about all you get.
Running the 100 NBT... the .257 beats the 25-06 by a measly 200fpe at 500 yards... and the does it for about 19fpe/grain... vs. the .25 at 21.5fpe/grain.
Soooo.... using 33% more powder you get only an 18% increase in punch downrange... that's LESS efficient.
I do agree that at some point it efficiency is moot... I love running the 55 grainers out of the 6mm at 4100... and it takes 55 grains of 414 to git-r-done... when powder charge is equal to bullet weight... THAT'S when inefficient gets FUN.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 04:34:17 PM
Ya, I've been killing deer and coyotes for years with 55 NBT's. Pure magic... I use H380 in both 6mm and 243. Still can't hang with a 257 when it comes to eating distance and dealing hurt......
Post by: JoshT on May 07, 2009, 04:41:29 PM
Them 55s eat up some ground in a hurry though don't they? I'll never forget the first time we shot them outta the ol'6mm... it was out at Plantation south of Bellingham. My buddy was running the rifle and I was a couple benches down on the spotting scope... at 300 yards I could see bullet impact in the dirt berm behind the target... BEFORE I heard the gun go off... that, is haulin' some serious ace!
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 04:44:20 PM
I am going to purchase a Weatherby rifle this year. I can't decide between the 257 or the 300. I'm leaning toward the 300 because I already have a 25-06. The 300 is a great all around cartridge, but the 257 is a real performer also. I will be hunting mostly deer with this rifle. I just thought I'd ask you guys your opinion. Which do you prefer and why?
Sorry we hi-jacked your thread. I stick to my words, for straight buck, antelope, coyote killin, the 257 Roy is hard to beat!! Weather its 50fps or 500fps over the 25-06, it still beats, hands down from a performance stand point. 300 Roy you could shoot 150's stupid fast too. Pick your round. 300's alot more versitile.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 04:49:50 PM
They do notice that difference... 800fpe is one thing... 200 is another.
Them 55s eat up some ground in a hurry though don't they? I'll never forget the first time we shot them outta the ol'6mm... it was out at Plantation south of Bellingham. My buddy was running the rifle and I was a couple benches down on the spotting scope... at 300 yards I could see bullet impact in the dirt berm behind the target... BEFORE I heard the gun go off... that, is haulin' some serious ace!
Hmmm, energy is a funny thing. Think it kills game, or a proper boolit producing massive hemmorging? I'll never forget a 90 pound spike buck one day. Shot through both front shoulders less than a 100 yards with a 7 mag, 150 cor lokts, running off for 150 yards before expireing. He didn't feel the 3000 fpe? Wouldn't all that energy pick a 200 lb animal up and throw it? Yes, energy is a funny thing......
Post by: JoshT on May 07, 2009, 04:54:38 PM
It does beat it... though not the Ike on Tina kind of beating that most people assume.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 04:56:48 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 05:04:52 PM
Post by: JoshT on May 07, 2009, 05:05:26 PM
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Post by: JoshT on May 07, 2009, 05:07:37 PM
Here's some 55 grain carnidge for ya Josh. grin....
I'll see your 55 grainer carnage... and raise you 10 of a kind... all courtesy of the 55 grainers!
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Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 05:08:31 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 05:12:19 PM
Post by: JoshT on May 07, 2009, 05:13:07 PM
Here's the close-up of the avitar... also courtesy of the 55s:
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Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 05:14:52 PM
Gotta love the exits they produce, ain't too fur friendly though....Here's some 55 grain carnidge for ya Josh. grin....
I'll see your 55 grainer carnage... and raise you 10 of a kind... all courtesy of the 55 grainers!
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Post by: JoshT on May 07, 2009, 05:16:57 PM
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How about this one... this is a 75 VMax out of the 25-06... entrance!
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Post by: jackelope on May 07, 2009, 05:17:46 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 05:18:06 PM
Post by: JoshT on May 07, 2009, 05:20:54 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 05:21:41 PM
22 magnum believe it or not. 75 80 yards, same night as the prior 55 bloodshed....
Post by: jackelope on May 07, 2009, 05:23:56 PM
officially.
Post by: JoshT on May 07, 2009, 05:24:24 PM
I call this one "Up chuck... and die!"
6mm/55 NBT vs. rockchuck
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Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 05:27:01 PM
I'll never go back to a .22 centerfire... ever... the 243/55s rule on coyotes... period. But that's a discussion that's already taken place on here... apparently I know nothing about coyotes... because the .204 rules the roost now. How we ever killed coyotes before it came along I haven't a clue.
Your comin around. grin.... 204 vs 243 huh? I'll take the 243.
Post by: JoshT on May 07, 2009, 05:30:54 PM
Not a week goes by that I don't wish that gun was on hiatus to CO with my brother... the .25-06 can hold it's own... but it ain't the lazer that the 6mm is... haven't found a coyote gun yet that shoots as flat and hits as hard.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 05:34:40 PM
Post by: JoshT on May 07, 2009, 05:41:30 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 05:46:22 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 05:48:25 PM
Here's a new sticker for you... grin!
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Ahhh, I can't get enough of that. Send me 2, I'll put one on the commanders car too. grin....
Post by: MuleySniper on May 07, 2009, 06:24:58 PM
MS
Post by: JoshT on May 07, 2009, 06:31:22 PM
I was scared of that. Whats that rifle in the pics? 6MM or 243?
Old Remington BDL-V in 6mm Rem. with the 24" heavy pipe... back when big Green put some love in'em. It's the most accurate factory rifle I've ever owned... she's got about 3500 rounds down here now... and still going strong.
That sticker is funny as hell! Got one for .300 and .270?? :chuckle: :chuckle:
MS
Whatever you want... I can get it cut up.
Post by: Tony 270WSM on May 07, 2009, 08:49:28 PM
Post by: Jamieb on May 07, 2009, 09:02:38 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 09:06:14 PM
Wow, I don' think I've ever seen Jud post so much in a single thread before lol. Talk about his Weatherby and he takes notice :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I had to laugh Tony, weren't we just talking about this last night? LOL
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 09:08:59 PM
If elk was also on the menu then I'd rather have a 300, not that I would really feel under gunned hunting elk with a 257 wby. If the rifles main purpose is going to be deer then I'd go .257. I have enough rifles dedicated to deer, elk, or both that anymore I by a rifle in a new cambering just becuse I want to play with the rifle/cartridge. I put a Rem 700 classic in 257 wby on layaway at Cabelas Sun.
Pard has a LSS 257, shoots really good! That layaway is dangerous, I have a 300 Roy, and 240 both Ultra Lightweights on the layaway plan right now. Don't know about you Jamie, but its a HELLAVA lot easier to sneak em by the old lady that way!! grin..
Post by: Jamieb on May 07, 2009, 09:11:27 PM
Post by: JoshT on May 07, 2009, 09:15:20 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 09:21:05 PM
Post by: Jamieb on May 07, 2009, 09:28:13 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on May 07, 2009, 09:30:57 PM
Josh, thats funny. I dont know if I ever told you the how,why I messed up on that address. For purchases over $100 that are comeing through the mail, I use a pards address so my wife wont see it. My pard told his wife that the reason I have stuff sent to thier house is becuse she is home all day to recive mail, cant go leaving expensive gear on the front steps. I've been doing this for years and until that scope I bought from you, it was working flawlessly.
LOL!! I'm glad I'm not the only one!!
Post by: zhunter on May 07, 2009, 09:57:05 PM
Post by: ing on May 08, 2009, 06:30:09 AM
Factory 100 grain Hornady Spire Points always made meat for me Jack.... Shot like a sumbitch too...They shoot great out of my 25-06. So do the 110 grain Nosler accubonds.
Post by: ing on May 08, 2009, 06:45:42 AM
Post by: ing on May 08, 2009, 06:49:04 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 08, 2009, 07:02:35 AM
Post by: alecvg on May 08, 2009, 07:56:58 AM
Unless you're just enamored with owning a Weatherby, save your dough and by a 30-06. If you feel you gotta own a Weatherby then get the 300. Kinda redundant to own two 25 cals. Honestly, if you're just hunting deer that 25-06 is gonna cover about 90% of all your deer hunting needs. :twocents:
Edited...
Didn't see your recoil posts. For a small women or child you might want to consider a 243, 257 Roberts, 260, or 7mm-08. Again, I'm not sure if you are just dead set on owning a Weatherby or not.
I'd also suggest buy the Mark series gun. The Vanguard is just a Howa rifle. They're decent but not truly a Weatherby.
Adding to your for kids list...
.270 WIN, in my opinion, the best deer round... not much recoil, and drops the deer. IMO
Post by: whacker1 on May 08, 2009, 04:38:17 PM
They can be found at www.muzzlebrakes.com
Post by: buckhorn2 on May 08, 2009, 10:05:43 PM
Post by: Little Stu on May 10, 2009, 07:15:58 PM
:twocents:
Post by: ing on May 11, 2009, 06:22:50 AM
ing - Vais Arms - muzzlebrakes are the only relatively quiet muzzlebrakes I have ever been around. They vent much of the sound and gas down range, so it is quiet in comparison to some of the alternatives. I shot my buddy's 300 RUM side by side with my .270 win and I think the .270 was louder than the .300 RUM with a VAIS break on it.Thanks. I'll check it out.
They can be found at www.muzzlebrakes.com
Post by: ing on May 12, 2009, 06:27:03 AM
I have a 257 accumark and a 300 accumark they both shoot really well and I don;t think the 300;s recoil would bother anyone who shoots very much. With the 257 you can shoot most things with the 300 you can shoot anything.Do you have muzzle brakes on them?
Post by: Intruder on May 13, 2009, 09:01:11 AM
Ahhhh... but there's one big difference... the ability to step up and shoot the heavies... that's where the efficency comes back. You can generate a great deal more downrange punch by shooting a much heavier and ballistically efficient projectile... that's where the "efficiency" comes in.
With the 300 RUM I can run 210 Bergers at 3150 using 93 grains of powder... at 500 yards that's 2800fpe... or about 30fpe/grain of powder.
With the .300 Winny you can run 210 Bergers at about 2800 using around 75 grains of powder... at 500 yards that's 2100fpe... or about 28fpe/grain.
Sooo... using 25% more powder I get 33% more downrange punch... that's actually MORE efficient.
The same can't be said for the .257 vs. the 25-06 (using your numbers from Nosler):
The option to step up in bullet weight beyond the capacity of the case... really isn't there like it is with the big .30s. 115-120s is about all you get.
Running the 100 NBT... the .257 beats the 25-06 by a measly 200fpe at 500 yards... and the does it for about 19fpe/grain... vs. the .25 at 21.5fpe/grain.
Soooo.... using 33% more powder you get only an 18% increase in punch downrange... that's LESS efficient.
I do agree that at some point it efficiency is moot... I love running the 55 grainers out of the 6mm at 4100... and it takes 55 grains of 414 to git-r-done... when powder charge is equal to bullet weight... THAT'S when inefficient gets FUN.
Dude.... you got it dialed in.
Post by: ing on May 27, 2009, 04:57:00 PM
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Post by: bearpaw on June 20, 2009, 03:49:59 AM
I have seen hundreds of elk shot with various calibers and many at very long ranges. The two longest shots were both made with 06's. If I remember correctly, one of them at 768 yards with 12-15 mph wind in Utah. Some people will argue that is too far to be shooting. Truth is that depends on who you are and what your skill level is. This guy had a well built 06 and his skill level made 768 a simpler shot than 300 yards is for most hunters. Admitedly, he missed the first shot, miscalculated the wind drift. Second shot he dropped the elk in it's tracks and called the POI neck shot before standing up after the shot. On the other hand I can remember plenty of times elk were missed at 200 yards multiple times by other hunters. So it just depends on who is behind the gun.
Back to the reason for my post....I have seen aboout 5 bear, numerous deer and antelope, and a couple elk killed quickly with the 257. However, I know from experience with other light calibers that the 257 is not ideal for the bigger game and does not compare to the 30's on the bigger critters, especially bear. While I have to admit it does an amazing job for it's caliber I also own the 30's for a reason.
I used to shoot 180's to 220's all the time in my 30's. But I have been working on swithing to Barnes Triple Shock 165's. I am told the Barnes bullets are not the most accurate, but I can say from personal experience that they do a great job on game from what I have seen shot so far. The Barnes 165 loses virtually no weight after impact and will weigh more than a more typical 180-220 after impact, thus explaining the deep penetration attained with the Barnes bullets.
So here's my current theory....refine a heavy load that shoots the Barnes 165 well. Due to the excellent performance of the 165, it will shoot very flatly out to 500-600 yards in the 30 magnums and penetrate as well as regular 180-220's, and it will do all this with noticably less recoil due to the lighter bullet weight. Some of the other premium bullet brands might also accomplish the same thing but I haven't seen performance on game of enough of the other premiium bullets to form an opinion on their actual killing effectiveness.
Since you have ordered a new 300 WBY I thought I would share this as it sounded like you had been a little concerned about recoil. Excellent rifle choice, you will love your WBY after you get to shooting it and you will be glad you did not get a muzzlebreak. The rfle design causes the WBY's to have less felt recoil than other rifle makes of the same caliber. To further sweeten the recoil, I strongly suggest you take your gun to a good gunsmith and have them put a limbsaver recoil pad on it. We do that with all our bigger guns now, it really tames them right down. :twocents:
My hearing has been damaged over the years and hunters with muzzlebreaks are a primary reason, I can honestly say I have little use for them. :twocents:
Has anyone used 150gr Barnes .30's or simular many big game animals???
Post by: ing on June 20, 2009, 09:47:22 AM
Post by: Caretaker on June 20, 2009, 05:08:38 PM
110 Accubond
74 grains H1000
3400 fps
CCI250 primer
point zero 315 yards
Post by: hunterofelk on June 20, 2009, 07:12:46 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on July 04, 2009, 10:42:00 PM
Pard also loaded up some 100 grain scirroco's for his 257, a 700 LSS, found a nice match with IMR 4831, averaging 3610. Pard had me run the rest outta mean green, that averaged 3695, guess I'll call her 3700. grin.... Gonna try some 22 see if we can hit 3750, according to ARAIG, its perty doable. We'll see.
Post by: Thenewguy on July 12, 2009, 08:23:57 PM