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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: ing on May 07, 2009, 06:56:21 AM
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I am going to purchase a Weatherby rifle this year. I can't decide between the 257 or the 300. I'm leaning toward the 300 because I already have a 25-06. The 300 is a great all around cartridge, but the 257 is a real performer also. I will be hunting mostly deer with this rifle. I just thought I'd ask you guys your opinion. Which do you prefer and why?
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For straight buck huntin, the 257 is perty hard to beat. Line it up against your 25/06 at the range, or in the field, you will notice a distinct advantage. Been pondering the 80 grain ttsx, 17'' of drop at 500 yards? 300 weatherby ain't a bad thing either. Check out the Ultra Lightweights. Later
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7mm ;)
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7mm weatherby or rem?
i just picked up a 257 wby and have not fired it yet... it sure is a flat shooter and should flatten pretty much anything i plan to use it on. for a deer rifle i'm not sure why you'd need the 300wby. recoil would be heavier and i imagine the ammo would be pricier.
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I have one of each. For mainly deer I would say .257. They are both great, but...
I loaned my .300 to a friend for a deer hunt. He shot a decent sized blacktail that was on the move freehand at about 100 yards. Hit right smack in the hind quarters. The deer dropped and was stone dead by the time we got to it which didn't take long. Both hind quarters were essentially wrecked. I have shot a few deer with it as well and there is still excessive bloodshot with a well placed shot. The .257 isn't exactly meat friendly with it's extreme velocity just not as much carnage as the .300.
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mike450r what bullets are you shooting in the 257 that is wrecking meat?
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what kind of recoil does the 257 have? im looking for a rifle my wife and daughters could use and i have never shot a 257
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the 257 wby is a magnum...i don't know about the recoil, but i'm pretty sure it's not a kid friendly kicker.
maybe a 257 roberts would be something to look at in a 25 cal.
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Unless you're just enamored with owning a Weatherby, save your dough and by a 30-06. If you feel you gotta own a Weatherby then get the 300. Kinda redundant to own two 25 cals. Honestly, if you're just hunting deer that 25-06 is gonna cover about 90% of all your deer hunting needs. :twocents:
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Didn't see your recoil posts. For a small women or child you might want to consider a 243, 257 Roberts, 260, or 7mm-08. Again, I'm not sure if you are just dead set on owning a Weatherby or not.
I'd also suggest buy the Mark series gun. The Vanguard is just a Howa rifle. They're decent but not truly a Weatherby.
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Both are great calibers with outstanding ballistics. The 257 wtby has very little recoil due to the light weight bullets and still gets it done in style. But the 25:06 is a good gun and if you don't already have a .30 cal I would suggest you cover your bases and get the 300 wtby so that if you ever decide to hunt something bigger you are not having to visit the gun shop again....except of coarse in the event that you just like having lots of guns! :twocents:
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For straight buck huntin, the 257 is perty hard to beat. Line it up against your 25/06 at the range, or in the field, you will notice a distinct advantage. Been pondering the 80 grain ttsx, 17'' of drop at 500 yards? 300 weatherby ain't a bad thing either. Check out the Ultra Lightweights. Later
Shooting 100 grainers I didn't notice a difference between my .25-06 and my .257 Roy at ranges that didn't require a rangefinder (inside about 350 or so) and after that even a monkey can turn a turret... that's why the .257 doesn't live at my house anymore. The 80 grain TTSX does look cool... but at 500 it's not drop... but wind that'll eat your lunch (but you know that)... and the 80 TTSX has a BC rougly equivilent to a ping pong ball. I like the .257 when running the 115s though... it has a good advantage there. But, running slow powders like Retumbo and Magnum allow for 3200 with a 115 in the 25-06... that's only about 200fps slower than the Roy... and it takes a 26" pipe to do that with the .257.
The .300 Roy is about the most gun that folks can shoot without starting to get a little nervous... it's a handfull... but a manageable one. A 200 grain bullet at 3000fps is no joke... on either end. I'd split the difference and go 7mm Roy... mine would run 120s at 3600 and 160s at 3100... I'd not want to play catch with either of those projectiles... and recoil was about half what the .300 is.
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Pretty sound right up by JoshT...
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JoshT said it very well.
If I were to buy a gun in that neighborhood, I would be looking at the 25-06.
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The most over-the-top cartridges among these, using the lightest bullets in their caliber suitable for even the smallest big game animals, can gain a few more yards, but at the cost of their versatility for use on larger game. For instance, the .300 Ultra Magnum with a 150 grain bullet at a MV of 3450 fps has a maximum point blank range (MPBR) of 335 yards. The .257 Weatherby Magnum with a 100 grain bullet at a MV of 3600 fps has a MPBR of 337 yards. The .30-378 Weatherby Magnum with a 165 grain bullet has a MPBR of 342 yards. The .300 Weatherby Magnum with a 150 grain bullet at a MV of 3540 fps has a MPBR of 343 yards.
These are radical, over-bore cartridges shooting the lightest practical bullets, and they average a MPBR of 339.25 yards. This represents an average increase in MPBR of less than 15 yards (4.6%) over the same cartridges shooting heavier bullets of far greater all-around usefulness. By almost any standard that is a poor trade-off.
Compared to the .270 Winchester, with its MPBR of 305 yards with the versatile 130 grain bullet, we have gained an extra 30 to 38 yards of MPBR (a 10% to 12.5% increase). In the case of the .300 Magnums, the price for this modest increase in maximum range is about a 60% to 300% increase in recoil (depending on the specific caliber), a similar increase in muzzle blast and the cost of ammunition, and a decrease in general utility! Seen from this perspective, only the .257 Weatherby makes any kind of sense, as at least its recoil is on a par with the .270 Winchester.
Of course, where I live, a box of .257 Weatherby cartridges retails for almost exactly three times as much as a box of .270 cartridges ($45 compared to $15 at my local discount store as I write these words). I know, because I own a .257 Weatherby rifle and I bought a box of Weatherby factory loads yesterday (120 grain bullets at 3305 fps, a MPBR of 317 yards). This is an excellent general purpose big game load for the caliber, nearly as versatile as the 130 grain .270 load, and I really like my .257 Weatherby rifle. But even I have to wonder if a 12 yard (3.9%) increase in MPBR can justify a 300% higher price for ammunition!
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that's some great info too Jack!
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No disticnt advantage Josh? Its about like shottin a 300 Roy against a 30-06 near as I can tell. Eats distance a hellava lot better, noticeable"sound" differance when it hits the silouttes too. Thats MY observation BTW. As far as recoil, I wouldn't let the old lady hunt with it, but thats me. 243 would be a much better choice for a lady. IMO
Never put turrets on it, thought about, but never have. Killed bucks at over 500, coyotes over 400. Practice up with it if you get it, its a perty easy cartridge too "learn".
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I'm just saying I didn't notice the difference in the field... and I've run many thousands of .25 caliber pills down range. It's more like the difference between an '06 and the H&H... about 200 fps with any bullet weight... but one needs a 26" pipe and 20% more powder to get it done. There's an advantage... but it's much smaller than one would be led to believe. I shot mine side by side... for about a year... and the Roy didn't do anything magical with a two-bit slug that couldn't be done with the .25-06. It was flatter... but it's not like the .25-06 at 3400 is hucking rainbows.
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mike450r what bullets are you shooting in the 257 that is wrecking meat?
120 gr partitions, And I wouldn't necessarily say wrecking meat as I am a heart/lung shooter but the shock of 120 grs hitting at 3000 fps has bloodshot all the rib meat which there isn't much I suppose but tends to bleed into the front shoulder area pretty bad. Substantial exit wounds though (fist size) on the 2 deer I have shot with it especially for a .25 caliber.
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If you have a 300 or larger and you don't like the recoil, take it to any good gunsmith and have them put a limbsaver recoil pad on it......all my big guns have one.....30% -50% noticeably less felt recoil.......my 300 mark v feels like a 30:06......anyone who shoots them are surprised by the way they shoot with a limbsaver.
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Ok, for arguements sake. Fifth Edtion Nosler. I know every rifles differant, chron'os, etc. I know guys have there pet loads, 3400 with the 25, 3700 with a 257, both shooting 100 grain boolits. Heres some data.
25/06 hottest load
IMR 4350 51.0 grains 3352
257 Wby Mag
AA3100 68 grains 3602
250 fps 17 grains
30/06
RL22 61.0 grains 2872
300 Roy
RL19 79.0 grains 3198
326 fps diff 18 grains+/-
So, 75 fps off, thats why I said "about". I know there are better loads for all of em. I know with Rl 25 in a Mark V 257 you can touch 3700fps. I don't think the writer was talking about "efficency"? There are trade offs through out life, fast and flat is one of em. It all come down to what a guy wants I reckon. My money is on the 257.......
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i dont mean to butt in but do you guys honestly think a deer cares how fast a bullet is going when it hits them? :twocents:
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i dont mean to butt in but do you guys honestly think a deer cares how fast a bullet is going when it hits them? :twocents:
:chuckle:.... well said
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I've seen em holdin chronographs before Hillbilly!!! grin. I like the velocity cause it makes killin a little easier. Also like the SHWWWAAACK it makes when it hits meat!!
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:)run a few of those loads thru a chronograph. I have.
Carl
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So have I Carl. Norma does a pretty good job of loading factory stuff.....
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anybody have good results with a factory 257roy load for deer? i don't reload at this point.
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Factory 100 grain Hornady Spire Points always made meat for me Jack.... Shot like a sumbitch too...
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Apples to Apples... or 24" barrel to 24" barrel... it's 200 fps... maybe. But, using your (Nosler's) numbers:
250 fps (a 7% increase)... using an extra 17 grains (30% more powder)... and increased blast and recoil... all for 5" less drop and 2" less wind at 500 yards (32" vs. 27"... & 18.5" vs. 16.5")... both using a 200yd zero??? Drop back to 400 yards and the difference is about 3"... and at 300 yards the difference is less than an inch. "Flat shooting" is only relevant to about 350... then you better have a rangefinder... and if you have a known range... then it doesn't really matter how "flat" your round is... provided you have the experience, data, and where-with-all to make the shot.
To put it in the words of the great Tom Jackson... COME ON MAN. I like the Roy, it's an awesome killing machine... but not any better than the .25-06 in my experience. I'm a quarter-bore whore... and I'd not sell one to get the other... but to me... the .25-06 does everything one can reasonably expect to do with a .257 cal bullet.
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Apples to Apples... or 24" barrel to 24" barrel... it's 200 fps... maybe. But, using your (Nosler's) numbers:
250 fps (a 7% increase)... using an extra 17 grains (30% more powder)... and increased blast and recoil... all for 5" less drop and 2" less wind at 500 yards (32" vs. 27"... & 18.5" vs. 16.5")... both using a 200yd zero??? Drop back to 400 yards and the difference is about 3"... and at 300 yards the difference is less than an inch. "Flat shooting" is only relevant to about 350... then you better have a rangefinder... and if you have a known range... then it doesn't really matter how "flat" your round is... provided you have the experience, data, and where-with-all to make the shot.
To put it in the words of the great Tom Jackson... COME ON MAN. I like the Roy, it's an awesome killing machine... but not any better than the .25-06 in my experience. I'm a quarter-bore whore... and I'd not sell one to get the other... but to me... the .25-06 does everything one can reasonably expect to do with a .257 cal bullet.
This is where it gets funny. I remember when the vanguard came out in 257. Layne Simpson did a article. According to his testing, the vanguard, with 2'' less of snout, beat the mark V by 30 fps. Marketing scam? methinks. Have I tested it? Nope. Have I shot a 25/06 next to a 257 enough to know? Yep. I'm a Roy whore though Josh. Got a 240 and 300 Roy Ultra lightweights on the way.
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if we ever get together for a shootout, my 257 is a vanguard with a 24" barrel...anybody's welcome to see what it'll do next to the markV
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That would be interesting to do Jack. Curious to see what 2'' does, or doesn't....
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You keep stating %'s and efficentcy clues Josh. Think of it as a hot rod or a big truck. I'll never forget when I got my new Titan. My old man asked what it got for fuel milage one day. Looked at him and told I didn't know? He bout *censored*!! Told him I got it for pullin the horse trailer and camp trailer, didn't care what kinda milage it got....grin...
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Hey... I shoot a .300 RUM too... so efficiency isn't my thing either. I'm just saying... that ain't much extra juice for a whole lot more squeeze. If you're willing to put it in your pipe and smoke it for 5" at 500 yards... then it is what it is. Not bad mouthing the Roy at all... it's a hell of a round... like I said... I wouldn't sell one to buy the other. I've killed twice as many critters with the .25-06... than all the rest of the calibers I've used combined... 3300-3600fps .25 cal pills kill stuff as fast (or faster) than anything I've ever seen... the Roy is just more (a little more) of a good thing.
If we do have a little get together it would be cool to actually see what some of these loads do over the same chrony... it would give a pretty good idea of what's what.
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300 RUM?? Come on, why not a 300 win mag ain't much juice for a whole lot more squeeze. grin..... See what I'm saying?
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If we do have a little get together it would be cool to actually see what some of these loads do over the same chrony... it would give a pretty good idea of what's what.
we need to work on that.
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If we do have a little get together it would be cool to actually see what some of these loads do over the same chrony... it would give a pretty good idea of what's what.
we need to work on that.
Got my bench and swingers built finally. We can get 600 yards right here at my place. Maybe this summer we can do a shoot, get a couple differant chrony's rollin and compare notes between a few of us?
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Ahhhh... but there's one big difference... the ability to step up and shoot the heavies... that's where the efficency comes back. You can generate a great deal more downrange punch by shooting a much heavier and ballistically efficient projectile... that's where the "efficiency" comes in.
With the 300 RUM I can run 210 Bergers at 3150 using 93 grains of powder... at 500 yards that's 2800fpe... or about 30fpe/grain of powder.
With the .300 Winny you can run 210 Bergers at about 2800 using around 75 grains of powder... at 500 yards that's 2100fpe... or about 28fpe/grain.
Sooo... using 25% more powder I get 33% more downrange punch... that's actually MORE efficient.
The same can't be said for the .257 vs. the 25-06 (using your numbers from Nosler):
The option to step up in bullet weight beyond the capacity of the case... really isn't there like it is with the big .30s. 115-120s is about all you get.
Running the 100 NBT... the .257 beats the 25-06 by a measly 200fpe at 500 yards... and the does it for about 19fpe/grain... vs. the .25 at 21.5fpe/grain.
Soooo.... using 33% more powder you get only an 18% increase in punch downrange... that's LESS efficient.
I do agree that at some point it efficiency is moot... I love running the 55 grainers out of the 6mm at 4100... and it takes 55 grains of 414 to git-r-done... when powder charge is equal to bullet weight... THAT'S when inefficient gets FUN.
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LOL!! Come on Josh, you really think a critter is gonna notice the fpe? After all, a monkey can turn a dial!! grin
Ya, I've been killing deer and coyotes for years with 55 NBT's. Pure magic... I use H380 in both 6mm and 243. Still can't hang with a 257 when it comes to eating distance and dealing hurt......
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They do notice that difference... 800fpe is one thing... 200 is another.
Them 55s eat up some ground in a hurry though don't they? I'll never forget the first time we shot them outta the ol'6mm... it was out at Plantation south of Bellingham. My buddy was running the rifle and I was a couple benches down on the spotting scope... at 300 yards I could see bullet impact in the dirt berm behind the target... BEFORE I heard the gun go off... that, is haulin' some serious ace!
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I am going to purchase a Weatherby rifle this year. I can't decide between the 257 or the 300. I'm leaning toward the 300 because I already have a 25-06. The 300 is a great all around cartridge, but the 257 is a real performer also. I will be hunting mostly deer with this rifle. I just thought I'd ask you guys your opinion. Which do you prefer and why?
Sorry we hi-jacked your thread. I stick to my words, for straight buck, antelope, coyote killin, the 257 Roy is hard to beat!! Weather its 50fps or 500fps over the 25-06, it still beats, hands down from a performance stand point. 300 Roy you could shoot 150's stupid fast too. Pick your round. 300's alot more versitile.
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They do notice that difference... 800fpe is one thing... 200 is another.
Them 55s eat up some ground in a hurry though don't they? I'll never forget the first time we shot them outta the ol'6mm... it was out at Plantation south of Bellingham. My buddy was running the rifle and I was a couple benches down on the spotting scope... at 300 yards I could see bullet impact in the dirt berm behind the target... BEFORE I heard the gun go off... that, is haulin' some serious ace!
Hmmm, energy is a funny thing. Think it kills game, or a proper boolit producing massive hemmorging? I'll never forget a 90 pound spike buck one day. Shot through both front shoulders less than a 100 yards with a 7 mag, 150 cor lokts, running off for 150 yards before expireing. He didn't feel the 3000 fpe? Wouldn't all that energy pick a 200 lb animal up and throw it? Yes, energy is a funny thing......
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Not unless it picked up the 200 lb shooter (c'mon man... we both go WAY more than 200) and threw him too. Physics is a bitch when it ain't your friend. All this is assuming proper bullets... of course.
It does beat it... though not the Ike on Tina kind of beating that most people assume.
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Laffin. So, at 800 yards, is your RUM gonna kill a buck faster than a 300 winny firing 210 grainers? Methinks not........
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Here's some 55 grain carnidge for ya Josh. grin....
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Here's a new sticker for you... grin!
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Here's some 55 grain carnidge for ya Josh. grin....
I'll see your 55 grainer carnage... and raise you 10 of a kind... all courtesy of the 55 grainers!
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LOL!! Thats good *censored* right there!! I told Jack you were a dandy!! I'll stick to it for sure now!! I'd give good $ for one of those, it'd go good on the huntin rig!!
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Holy *censored*!! Wish we had coyote huntin like that around here. I was on a murder mission over in Island park Idaho one year. Pard thought I was nuts, I had the 257 smokin!! Just driving around you would see 10 a day. Always wanted to go back in Dec or Jan and call em.....
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Send me an address... I'll get one on the way. Gratis... for a quarterbore whore.
Here's the close-up of the avitar... also courtesy of the 55s:
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Here's some 55 grain carnidge for ya Josh. grin....
I'll see your 55 grainer carnage... and raise you 10 of a kind... all courtesy of the 55 grainers!
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Gotta love the exits they produce, ain't too fur friendly though....
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Here's the other side of some of them... check out the bottom right.
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How about this one... this is a 75 VMax out of the 25-06... entrance!
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that one looks like the last dog i killed with the aught 6.
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I was eying cabelas gun library the other night. They have a nice vls 243 ready for action. What do you think of .22 for coyotes after useing the 243/ 55 combo? Pure heaven..... grin....
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I'll never go back to a .22 centerfire... ever... the 243/55s rule on coyotes... period. But that's a discussion that's already taken place on here... apparently I know nothing about coyotes... because the .204 rules the roost now. How we ever killed coyotes before it came along I haven't a clue.
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Man I love it!! Lets start another thread. Here's a couple more.
22 magnum believe it or not. 75 80 yards, same night as the prior 55 bloodshed....
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:jacked:
officially.
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OK... Just one more
I call this one "Up chuck... and die!"
6mm/55 NBT vs. rockchuck
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I'll never go back to a .22 centerfire... ever... the 243/55s rule on coyotes... period. But that's a discussion that's already taken place on here... apparently I know nothing about coyotes... because the .204 rules the roost now. How we ever killed coyotes before it came along I haven't a clue.
Your comin around. grin.... 204 vs 243 huh? I'll take the 243.
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I'm comin' around? Man... I've been preaching that schitt for years. The discussion of coyote calibers starts and ends with a 6mm/55 NBT/4k+... however you get there... 240 Roy, 6mm Rem, .243 Winny... whatever.
Not a week goes by that I don't wish that gun was on hiatus to CO with my brother... the .25-06 can hold it's own... but it ain't the lazer that the 6mm is... haven't found a coyote gun yet that shoots as flat and hits as hard.
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I got a 240 Ultra Lightweight coming, one of the old ones like my 257, light grey stock. I'll be curious to see how fast I can get the 55's rollin outta that thing. Ever tried it?
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I had a 6/284... pretty much the same capacity as a 240 Roy... I couldn't get them running any faster than 4100... diminishing returns man.
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I was scared of that. Whats that rifle in the pics? 6MM or 243?
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Here's a new sticker for you... grin!
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Ahhh, I can't get enough of that. Send me 2, I'll put one on the commanders car too. grin....
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That sticker is funny as hell! Got one for .300 and .270?? :chuckle: :chuckle:
MS
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I was scared of that. Whats that rifle in the pics? 6MM or 243?
Old Remington BDL-V in 6mm Rem. with the 24" heavy pipe... back when big Green put some love in'em. It's the most accurate factory rifle I've ever owned... she's got about 3500 rounds down here now... and still going strong.
That sticker is funny as hell! Got one for .300 and .270?? :chuckle: :chuckle:
MS
Whatever you want... I can get it cut up.
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Wow, I don' think I've ever seen Jud post so much in a single thread before lol. Talk about his Weatherby and he takes notice :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
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If elk was also on the menu then I'd rather have a 300, not that I would really feel under gunned hunting elk with a 257 wby. If the rifles main purpose is going to be deer then I'd go .257. I have enough rifles dedicated to deer, elk, or both that anymore I by a rifle in a new cambering just becuse I want to play with the rifle/cartridge. I put a Rem 700 classic in 257 wby on layaway at Cabelas Sun.
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Wow, I don' think I've ever seen Jud post so much in a single thread before lol. Talk about his Weatherby and he takes notice :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I had to laugh Tony, weren't we just talking about this last night? LOL
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If elk was also on the menu then I'd rather have a 300, not that I would really feel under gunned hunting elk with a 257 wby. If the rifles main purpose is going to be deer then I'd go .257. I have enough rifles dedicated to deer, elk, or both that anymore I by a rifle in a new cambering just becuse I want to play with the rifle/cartridge. I put a Rem 700 classic in 257 wby on layaway at Cabelas Sun.
Pard has a LSS 257, shoots really good! That layaway is dangerous, I have a 300 Roy, and 240 both Ultra Lightweights on the layaway plan right now. Don't know about you Jamie, but its a HELLAVA lot easier to sneak em by the old lady that way!! grin..
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Yep. My wife wont notice the money missing from the checking account if I do the layaway and stretch it out a few weeks.
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Did you put the right address on the layaway form? :chuckle:
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Oh ya. Jamies got er figured out, a pissed off woman ain't nothin to mess with. Guy might end up a steer! grin.....
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Josh, thats funny. I dont know if I ever told you the how,why I messed up on that address. For purchases over $100 that are comeing through the mail, I use a pards address so my wife wont see it. My pard told his wife that the reason I have stuff sent to thier house is becuse she is home all day to recive mail, cant go leaving expensive gear on the front steps. I've been doing this for years and until that scope I bought from you, it was working flawlessly.
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Josh, thats funny. I dont know if I ever told you the how,why I messed up on that address. For purchases over $100 that are comeing through the mail, I use a pards address so my wife wont see it. My pard told his wife that the reason I have stuff sent to thier house is becuse she is home all day to recive mail, cant go leaving expensive gear on the front steps. I've been doing this for years and until that scope I bought from you, it was working flawlessly.
LOL!! I'm glad I'm not the only one!!
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I have a 257 accumark it is a awsome gun flat shooter little recoil and drives tacks. buy it you won't be sorry get it in the accumark. good luck
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Factory 100 grain Hornady Spire Points always made meat for me Jack.... Shot like a sumbitch too...
They shoot great out of my 25-06. So do the 110 grain Nosler accubonds.
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I've got my sights set on an Accumark. The only reason I'm going with a Weatherby is because when I held the Accumark it was a natural fit. Real comfortable. I know they chamber them in a bunch of other calibers, but I figured what the hell if I'm buying a Weatherby I may as well buy one that is chambered in a WBY cartridge. Thanks for all of your input guys. I'll probably end up with a 300. Maybe I'll have them both some day...
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Now my next question... Those of you that shoot a 300WBY, are you using a muzzle brake? I was thinking of getting one without. Every gun I've shot with a brake makes my ears ring like hell.
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Get a factory gun with an accubreak pre installed.
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Unless you're just enamored with owning a Weatherby, save your dough and by a 30-06. If you feel you gotta own a Weatherby then get the 300. Kinda redundant to own two 25 cals. Honestly, if you're just hunting deer that 25-06 is gonna cover about 90% of all your deer hunting needs. :twocents:
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Didn't see your recoil posts. For a small women or child you might want to consider a 243, 257 Roberts, 260, or 7mm-08. Again, I'm not sure if you are just dead set on owning a Weatherby or not.
I'd also suggest buy the Mark series gun. The Vanguard is just a Howa rifle. They're decent but not truly a Weatherby.
Adding to your for kids list...
.270 WIN, in my opinion, the best deer round... not much recoil, and drops the deer. IMO
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ing - Vais Arms - muzzlebrakes are the only relatively quiet muzzlebrakes I have ever been around. They vent much of the sound and gas down range, so it is quiet in comparison to some of the alternatives. I shot my buddy's 300 RUM side by side with my .270 win and I think the .270 was louder than the .300 RUM with a VAIS break on it.
They can be found at www.muzzlebrakes.com
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I have a 257 accumark and a 300 accumark they both shoot really well and I don;t think the 300;s recoil would bother anyone who shoots very much. With the 257 you can shoot most things with the 300 you can shoot anything.
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I bought a 257 WBY A COUPLE YEARS TO HAVE FOR DOGS AND WHAT NOT THINKING THAT IT WOULDNT BE ENOUGH FOR MULIES AT LONG RANGES, MAN WAS I WRONG. i HAVE SHOT A NICE BEAR WITH IT AT 250 YDS AND HE ONLY WENT 25 FT. AFTER THAT I DECIDED TO TAKE IT DEER HUNTING AND DROPPED A VERY NICE MULIE AT 550 PLUS. IT HAS HALF THE RECOIL OF MY 7MAG AND SHOOTING FACTORY LOADED 120 PARTITIONS IT DOES NOT DESTROY NEAR THE MEAT THAT THE 7MAG DOES. AS FAR AS THE 300 YOU COULDNT GIVE ME ONE, THEY KICK WAY TOO MUCH WITHOUT THE MUZZLE BREAK, WITH THE BRAKE IT BLOWS OUT YOUR EARDRUMS. And the ammo already costs too much for the 257 and the 300 is even more. IMO
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ing - Vais Arms - muzzlebrakes are the only relatively quiet muzzlebrakes I have ever been around. They vent much of the sound and gas down range, so it is quiet in comparison to some of the alternatives. I shot my buddy's 300 RUM side by side with my .270 win and I think the .270 was louder than the .300 RUM with a VAIS break on it.
They can be found at www.muzzlebrakes.com
Thanks. I'll check it out.
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I have a 257 accumark and a 300 accumark they both shoot really well and I don;t think the 300;s recoil would bother anyone who shoots very much. With the 257 you can shoot most things with the 300 you can shoot anything.
Do you have muzzle brakes on them?
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Ahhhh... but there's one big difference... the ability to step up and shoot the heavies... that's where the efficency comes back. You can generate a great deal more downrange punch by shooting a much heavier and ballistically efficient projectile... that's where the "efficiency" comes in.
With the 300 RUM I can run 210 Bergers at 3150 using 93 grains of powder... at 500 yards that's 2800fpe... or about 30fpe/grain of powder.
With the .300 Winny you can run 210 Bergers at about 2800 using around 75 grains of powder... at 500 yards that's 2100fpe... or about 28fpe/grain.
Sooo... using 25% more powder I get 33% more downrange punch... that's actually MORE efficient.
The same can't be said for the .257 vs. the 25-06 (using your numbers from Nosler):
The option to step up in bullet weight beyond the capacity of the case... really isn't there like it is with the big .30s. 115-120s is about all you get.
Running the 100 NBT... the .257 beats the 25-06 by a measly 200fpe at 500 yards... and the does it for about 19fpe/grain... vs. the .25 at 21.5fpe/grain.
Soooo.... using 33% more powder you get only an 18% increase in punch downrange... that's LESS efficient.
I do agree that at some point it efficiency is moot... I love running the 55 grainers out of the 6mm at 4100... and it takes 55 grains of 414 to git-r-done... when powder charge is equal to bullet weight... THAT'S when inefficient gets FUN.
Dude.... you got it dialed in.
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Ok guys, I ordered an Accumark chambered in 300wby without a muzzlebreak. I also got my hands on some brass and bullets so I will start reloading for it. Cant wait to shoot it. I'm hopeing I get my hands on it in time to get it ready for hunting season.
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you might try a 180 grain bullet and hammer them . good choice with the 300.slow it down and keep in bullet in the beast you'll like the knock down. keep the 25 for dogs.. its like a big v8 you might not need it but the chicks dig it.coach.
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I shoot 180 grain accubounds by nosler and use H4831. We load ours with 79 grains that is 2 grains under maximum but will still shoot 3000 feet on the chrono without the recoil
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I have been watching this post with interest as I also own both WBY calibers and love them both. There are the arguments that a 270 or 06 will do anything the magnums do, that is basically correct however there is less guesswork with the flatter shooting guns in quick hunting situations.
I have seen hundreds of elk shot with various calibers and many at very long ranges. The two longest shots were both made with 06's. If I remember correctly, one of them at 768 yards with 12-15 mph wind in Utah. Some people will argue that is too far to be shooting. Truth is that depends on who you are and what your skill level is. This guy had a well built 06 and his skill level made 768 a simpler shot than 300 yards is for most hunters. Admitedly, he missed the first shot, miscalculated the wind drift. Second shot he dropped the elk in it's tracks and called the POI neck shot before standing up after the shot. On the other hand I can remember plenty of times elk were missed at 200 yards multiple times by other hunters. So it just depends on who is behind the gun.
Back to the reason for my post....I have seen aboout 5 bear, numerous deer and antelope, and a couple elk killed quickly with the 257. However, I know from experience with other light calibers that the 257 is not ideal for the bigger game and does not compare to the 30's on the bigger critters, especially bear. While I have to admit it does an amazing job for it's caliber I also own the 30's for a reason.
I used to shoot 180's to 220's all the time in my 30's. But I have been working on swithing to Barnes Triple Shock 165's. I am told the Barnes bullets are not the most accurate, but I can say from personal experience that they do a great job on game from what I have seen shot so far. The Barnes 165 loses virtually no weight after impact and will weigh more than a more typical 180-220 after impact, thus explaining the deep penetration attained with the Barnes bullets.
So here's my current theory....refine a heavy load that shoots the Barnes 165 well. Due to the excellent performance of the 165, it will shoot very flatly out to 500-600 yards in the 30 magnums and penetrate as well as regular 180-220's, and it will do all this with noticably less recoil due to the lighter bullet weight. Some of the other premium bullet brands might also accomplish the same thing but I haven't seen performance on game of enough of the other premiium bullets to form an opinion on their actual killing effectiveness.
Since you have ordered a new 300 WBY I thought I would share this as it sounded like you had been a little concerned about recoil. Excellent rifle choice, you will love your WBY after you get to shooting it and you will be glad you did not get a muzzlebreak. The rfle design causes the WBY's to have less felt recoil than other rifle makes of the same caliber. To further sweeten the recoil, I strongly suggest you take your gun to a good gunsmith and have them put a limbsaver recoil pad on it. We do that with all our bigger guns now, it really tames them right down. :twocents:
My hearing has been damaged over the years and hunters with muzzlebreaks are a primary reason, I can honestly say I have little use for them. :twocents:
Has anyone used 150gr Barnes .30's or simular many big game animals???
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Thanks for the info bearpaw. I have a couple of box's of 150 grain soft points that I managed to get my hands on so I figure I'll sight it in with those. I also picked up some 150 gr Nosler Partitions that i plan on reloading. As far as a Limbsaver goes I figure I'll shoot it some first before I make that decision. I shot a Ruger 338 with one and it worked well.
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For straight up deer hunting the .257 is about as good as it gets. I've had one for years, hand loader. Be prepared to pay premium ammo prices if you don't load your own. Also might add I've never shot a weatherby that didn't take some work to find a load that shot well (i've had 4). They will shoot factory well, but finding the right load can take work. The .257 has a distinct advantage over a 30.06 for deer sized game over long distances. It's a flatter shooter and quite a bit faster, 3600 for 100 grains and 3400 for 110 grains. My favorite load:
110 Accubond
74 grains H1000
3400 fps
CCI250 primer
point zero 315 yards
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I have a Vanguard in 300 weatherby. I mailed the barreled action to Mag-na-port and got it back pretty quick. I also installed a Limbsaver pad. It shoots like a dream...I often get moa groups from a Hornady 180 grain with IMR 7828. I was planning on shooting my buck out to 300 yards...got one at 60. It's fun to work with and it was very low cost. I won it and the scope at an RMEF banquet. Only drawback is the long bolt stroke to rechamber a round. I have a Rem. 700 ADL in .308 winchester I might use next year.
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Finally got the 300 Roy, Ultra Lightweight, ordered up some talleys and shot her the other day. Factory 180 hornady's averaged 3300, little over the weatherby 3240, which is kinda nice. Group was sub moa, which was also perty handy, but not surprising.
Pard also loaded up some 100 grain scirroco's for his 257, a 700 LSS, found a nice match with IMR 4831, averaging 3610. Pard had me run the rest outta mean green, that averaged 3695, guess I'll call her 3700. grin.... Gonna try some 22 see if we can hit 3750, according to ARAIG, its perty doable. We'll see.
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I have had way to much to drink to read this thread....