Post by: Huntbear on May 07, 2009, 01:35:48 PM
anyway, it has some light corrosion and patina on it, and I was wondering how to clean it up and use it with the primers already there.
Thanks guys
Post by: Ray on May 07, 2009, 01:50:56 PM
I have admittedly done it by accident once. I was later thinking about the potential building up static electricity with all the movement and primers together. What a recipe for problems. Among other things.
.44 mag brass can handle being dirty. Shoot em up and clean em before the next load.
Post by: Huntbear on May 07, 2009, 02:39:02 PM
Post by: rasbo on May 07, 2009, 03:00:38 PM
Thanks Ray, I was thinking that way, but was curious.heck you dont need them anyway,just send them to me :chuckle:
Post by: Huntbear on May 07, 2009, 11:52:15 PM
Post by: 7mag. on May 08, 2009, 12:01:02 AM
If you need some bear loads, and you are shooting a Ruger, let me know. I have some awesome handloads, but they will not fit in a S&W cylinder, and they break Colts.
A little hot are they? Breaking Colts, how about wrists?
Post by: Huntbear on May 08, 2009, 12:41:19 AM
300 gr. Sierra jacketed softpoints, going about 1200 ft. per second, according to the calculations my engineer buddy did. Never owned a chrony, so am not sure.
One thing I am sure of,(from experience) they are not deer loads. They make the same size hole coming out as going in.
I talked to the Sierra guys before loading this bullet. When testing it, they went whitetail hunting in Kansas with that load. The deer was shot basically in the ass, it went clear to through him to his neck and broke it. Bullet hardly mushroomed at all according to them. They designed it for hogs and bears.
I will say this though, they shoot through Rugers very well. I shoot a Redhawk, my brother, and hunting buddy both shoot Super Blackhawks. They all shoot that load to the same point of impact.
Still waiting for that fall blackie to come around close enough to test that round on him though...
Post by: dbllunger on May 08, 2009, 10:32:16 PM
Post by: Stevo539 on May 09, 2009, 08:36:23 AM
Steve
Post by: yorketransport on May 09, 2009, 06:49:12 PM
Post by: littlebuf on May 09, 2009, 07:08:21 PM
You could load them, then throw the loaded ammo in the tumbler if you're worried about shooting dirty cases.
also a bad idea, while 99.9% of the time this should be no issue don't take the chance, loaded ammo should be treated as a loaded gun in my opinion. and i wouldn't pile a bunch of loaded guns the dryer even tho i knew the safety's were on :twocents:
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 09, 2009, 07:11:57 PM
Anyone ever put an 06 round in a vice and hit it with a hammer?.........ah my miss spent youth :chuckle:
Post by: JoshT on May 09, 2009, 07:15:26 PM
Tumbling live rounds can change the powder drastically... it can break it up and make it act a lot faster... causing some spikes in pressure.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 09, 2009, 07:17:25 PM
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If a live round goes off outside the gun... it's the brass that goes flying... not the projectile. Not typically a dangerous situation (might shoot yer' eye out though)... let alone life threatening.
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Primers are loud as hell if you hit them with a hammer....same with blasting caps :o
Post by: littlebuf on May 09, 2009, 07:19:36 PM
I tumble live rounds all the time......never had a problem.
Anyone ever put an 06 round in a vice and hit it with a hammer?.........ah my miss spent youth :chuckle:
all it takes is one time to ruin your day, or a little kids life :bdid:
Post by: Mike450r on May 09, 2009, 07:31:44 PM
I would not do this with primed brass, the only reason though would be that the media would get in the flash hole. I see no safety issues other than that.
The only tumbling that was done was with dirty fired brass in a converted concrete mixer, then put in a smaller tumbler with a shop rag sprayed with lube (high production)
Post by: JoshT on May 09, 2009, 08:22:00 PM
all it takes is one time to ruin your day, or a little kids life :bdid:
Physics man... physics.
Post by: ICEMAN on May 10, 2009, 06:50:19 AM
If a live round goes off outside the gun... it's the brass that goes flying... not the projectile. Not typically a dangerous situation (might shoot yer' eye out though)... let alone life threatening.
I would say this is a dangerous situation.
I know that projectiles can and do "go flying" and I have stopped tossing ammo into the camp fire. Not a good idea.
Post by: littlebuf on May 10, 2009, 07:38:46 AM
all it takes is one time to ruin your day, or a little kids life :bdid:
Physics man... physics.
im not sure i understand your "physics" comment. i do on the other hand under stand physics. all im saying is it worth taking the chance so you can have some shiny ammo? i didnt realize id get flamed for saying i wouldn't want 44 mags going off in my tumbler. i hope a round never goes off while your tumbling it, but all it takes is that primer getting hit just right ( or wrong ) and it could happen. im not sure why you would argue that this is a possibility? and if its a possibility why do it?
Post by: tbotts on May 10, 2009, 08:44:23 AM
Post by: JoshT on May 10, 2009, 01:13:53 PM
Several years back Rifle magazine did an experiment where they set off a number of rounds inside a cardboard box... none even made a dent in the box.... there were some areas that were slightly scorched... but nothing that would require a trip to the emergency room. They also did it with several rounds in a tubular magazine... and only minor damage was done to the rifle. I also saw an episode of Mythbusters where they were trying to set off primed brass using the butt end of a pistol by hammering on it... none went off... even though they beat them severely. Just because it happened on an episode of McGyver... doesn't mean it'll happen in real life. In fact, the converse is often true.
The only way I've ever seen rounds go off... is by exposure to high heat/electricity... or by striking the primer with a firing pin (or something shaped like one).
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 10, 2009, 01:25:02 PM
Post by: yorketransport on May 10, 2009, 01:41:59 PM
I would go out on a limb and say that major manufacturers don't hand polish every single round and they also don't go straight from the press to the box. Draw your own conclusions here.
This was my logic. I've never tumbled loaded ammo, but would feel safe doing it. I can see it being a bad idea with rimfires, but not centerfire. :twocents:
Andrew
Post by: littlebuf on May 10, 2009, 03:13:32 PM
I'm just saying it wouldn't exactly ruin anyone's day... or hurt/kill anyone.
Several years back Rifle magazine did an experiment where they set off a number of rounds inside a cardboard box... none even made a dent in the box.... there were some areas that were slightly scorched... but nothing that would require a trip to the emergency room. They also did it with several rounds in a tubular magazine... and only minor damage was done to the rifle. I also saw an episode of Mythbusters where they were trying to set off primed brass using the butt end of a pistol by hammering on it... none went off... even though they beat them severely. Just because it happened on an episode of McGyver... doesn't mean it'll happen in real life. In fact, the converse is often t
The only way I've ever seen rounds go off... is by exposure to high heat/electricity... or by striking the primer with a firing pin (or something shaped like one).
so you would say there is ZERO possibility of a round going off and injuring some one? im not saying theirs a boogy man in the tumbler and it will kill you with your own loaded ammo, im just saying there IS a possibility of a round going off so why do it. i don't reload for convenience and if your doing it to see how fast you can get it done your going to get hurt one day. tumble your cases empty and remove lube with a rag, if you don't have the time to do this wait to reload until you have the time. :twocents: ok flame away
Post by: JoshT on May 10, 2009, 04:13:13 PM
In order to generate any type of velocity the combustion must take place in a closed (or severely restricted) environment... a round that's set off in open air will simply come apart when there's enough pressure to push the brass off the bullet... then the remainder of the gas is simply released into the air.
There really is no possibility of a round going off... unless there's a short in the tumbler that causes a significant amount of heat. No round in the tumbler is going to hit another round with enough force to set the primer off. If you think it will... you've never seen a poorly headspaced rifle fired. I've seen direct strikes... from the firing pin... inside a restricted environment... that don't allow the round to go off because it can slide forward a couple thousandths of an inch. In a tumbler the rounds are free to move several inches... and there's nothing in there that can generate the kind of force or direct hit that a firing pin can. I think the odds of something happening with the tumbler (like shorting out and causing a fire) are much higher than the odds of a live round going off in one... and even if one does... it is highly unlikely that it will even hurt... let alone injure or kill anyone.
Post by: Huntbear on May 10, 2009, 06:32:44 PM
I think I will finish the loading process and just shoot them. There is no damage to the cases, other than some light corrosion, and if the primers do not go off, I can pull the bullets, and dump the powder and start em over.