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Title: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 25, 2022, 12:31:14 PM
My advice is to always get an inspection for a purchase. Especially on an REO from a bank where the purchase agreement is "As Is". And make sure you carefully read the addendums. I belong to a networking group and a realtor posted today that her buyers are experiencing a flooding problem, even after being told that the plumbing had all been redone with copper. She hadn't received an inspection on the home and she didn't fully read the addendums :bash:.

Sometimes, the buyer is worried that they'll lose the deal if the seller has to wait for the inspection. Home inspection can be part of the contingency when signing, so the deal can be made and the inspection done after signing. Always get an inspection.
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: Dan-o on February 25, 2022, 02:42:35 PM
Young couple bought the house across the street 3 months ago.
They waived the inspection, because they'd lost a couple houses and got antsy.

They are getting new siding done on the whole house now....  which a competent inspector would have shown them.

Bummer for them.
First house and a huge unexpected expense right off the bat.

Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: RugerRay on February 25, 2022, 03:44:37 PM
When I sold my home in Spokane last spring, I received 28 offers in the first two days. I would say almost half of the offers were waiving the inspection, and it was a home built in 1929. Unreal.
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: NRA4LIFE on February 25, 2022, 03:50:04 PM
I would never sign any offer to sell that had an inspection contingency in this market.  Most buyers would waive the inspection right now anyway.  On the other hand, I would never buy without an inspection.
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: CP on February 25, 2022, 03:53:55 PM
When I sold my cabin a few months ago I didn’t even consider offers that didn’t wave the inspection.  Inspections can turn into a long, drawn-out nightmare for sellers that ends in a flipped sale.  Some of the offers included inspections contingencies that allowed the buyer to remove toilets, sinks, tubs, etc. to scope the pipes and had provisions to bring in a never-ending stream of “experts” to inspect this and that.

No thanks, not in this market.
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 25, 2022, 04:02:25 PM
When I sold my cabin a few months ago I didn’t even consider offers that didn’t wave the inspection.  Inspections can turn into a long, drawn-out nightmare for sellers that ends in a flipped sale.  Some of the offers included inspections contingencies that allowed the buyer to remove toilets, sinks, tubs, etc. to scope the pipes and had provisions to bring in a never-ending stream of “experts” to inspect this and that.

No thanks, not in this market.

I don't know about your cabin, but normally an inspection can be done in 7-10 days, in plenty of time for the loan to close. Anyone buying a house without getting inspected is setting themselves up. Any seller who won't agree to have his house inspected should be viewed with caution.
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: jrebel on February 25, 2022, 04:10:17 PM
I think everything is relative and depends on the property and actual intended use of the property.  Price also plays a large part in whether to waive the inspection or not.  I'm not sure it is as cut and dry as "always"....especially in the market we are currently in. 



How do you feel about buyers insurance / warranty (Not sure what they call it) and is it necessary to have an inspection for that insurance to be purchases / held?? 
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: downtownbrown0610 on February 25, 2022, 04:16:38 PM
This market is extremely competitive right now. Not in all areas but where we live your offer is not going to get accepted in most cases if you say you want an inspection. We just sold our house for 75,000 over asking with cash to back and waived inspection. We had a total of 15 offers in 3 days. 90% of those offers waived inspection. Our house was built in 1972. We are moving and buying in TN. The market is hot but not like it is here. I will not purchase our next house without an inspection. So many things can go wrong and its really not smart to buy without an inspection. As mentioned before every situation is different.
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 25, 2022, 04:23:46 PM
Helping as support on a real estate deal currently.  Lender didn't require inspection.  :o  Buyer hired a licensed inspector.  :tup:   On inspection day the realtor, certified inspection team of 3, buyer and 2 highly qualified friends were onsite to give it the critical eye.  Identified a lot of small items, and a couple bigger issues that likely shouldn't have made it to occupancy stage.  Good ole boys turning a blind eye :dunno:  Inspection may pay for itself in negotiations.   :dunno:

When I list, as is will be in the contract.   :twocents:
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: wadu1 on February 25, 2022, 04:30:28 PM
We had a real-estate person come and appraise my dad's house. He said not to worry about an inspection of the house, it looked good. He was concerned about all the trees and plants in the yard, he said to remove 50% of them. The yard was professionally landscaped by an arborist and kept up well. I had the house inspected. That guy found about 30K worth of repairs that needed to be done, some small and some large. Examples, half of the outlets wired backwards, dry rot in one bath, bricks falling off chimney and aluminum wire in the main power panel. So bottom line get an inspection, at least you know what you're dealing with. If selling it may come back and bite you in the tush.  :twocents:
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: Bob33 on February 25, 2022, 06:43:32 PM
To flip it around,  in today's market why would a seller choose to sell to a buyer demanding an inspection when he has multiple offers from buyers not demanding one? The buyer looking for a seller willing to make the sale dependent on an inspection may ultimately find one but how much did prices increase while he was looking? Where I live many properties are going up $25K a month or more. Tough and possibly money foolish to make demands in this market in my opinion.
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: Ghost Hunter on February 25, 2022, 06:48:35 PM
There are some here and there getting overlooked.
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 26, 2022, 09:34:16 AM
To flip it around,  in today's market why would a seller choose to sell to a buyer demanding an inspection when he has multiple offers from buyers not demanding one? The buyer looking for a seller willing to make the sale dependent on an inspection may ultimately find one but how much did prices increase while he was looking? Where I live many properties are going up $25K a month or more. Tough and possibly money foolish to make demands in this market in my opinion.

Would you buy a used car without having it looked over by a mechanic? I, maybe more than many on this thread, understand the present market conditions. If  seller demands the waiver of an inspection to sign the contract, you should be asking yourself "why?".
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: Igor on February 26, 2022, 09:36:38 AM
To flip it around,  in today's market why would a seller choose to sell to a buyer demanding an inspection when he has multiple offers from buyers not demanding one? The buyer looking for a seller willing to make the sale dependent on an inspection may ultimately find one but how much did prices increase while he was looking? Where I live many properties are going up $25K a month or more. Tough and possibly money foolish to make demands in this market in my opinion.

Would you buy a used car without having it looked over by a mechanic? I, maybe more than many on this thread, understand the present market conditions. If  seller demands the waiver of an inspection to sign the contract, you should be asking yourself "why?".

In your opinion, where do you see mortgage rates and house prices going in the next 6-12 months? 
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 26, 2022, 09:45:09 AM
To flip it around,  in today's market why would a seller choose to sell to a buyer demanding an inspection when he has multiple offers from buyers not demanding one? The buyer looking for a seller willing to make the sale dependent on an inspection may ultimately find one but how much did prices increase while he was looking? Where I live many properties are going up $25K a month or more. Tough and possibly money foolish to make demands in this market in my opinion.

Would you buy a used car without having it looked over by a mechanic? I, maybe more than many on this thread, understand the present market conditions. If  seller demands the waiver of an inspection to sign the contract, you should be asking yourself "why?".

In your opinion, where do you see mortgage rates and house prices going in the next 6-12 months?
Only an opinion. I'm not a financial advisor. Both are going up. Property values won't be going up as fast as they have been as fewer look for new homes and the inventory increases. But unlike 2008, the inventory/supply is still far below the demand. The Fed has announced three rises in interest rates, the first coming next month. Although mortgage rates are more closely tied to the ten year bond, the bond rate normally follows the Fed lending rate.
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: Igor on February 26, 2022, 09:49:45 AM
To flip it around,  in today's market why would a seller choose to sell to a buyer demanding an inspection when he has multiple offers from buyers not demanding one? The buyer looking for a seller willing to make the sale dependent on an inspection may ultimately find one but how much did prices increase while he was looking? Where I live many properties are going up $25K a month or more. Tough and possibly money foolish to make demands in this market in my opinion.

Would you buy a used car without having it looked over by a mechanic? I, maybe more than many on this thread, understand the present market conditions. If  seller demands the waiver of an inspection to sign the contract, you should be asking yourself "why?".

In your opinion, where do you see mortgage rates and house prices going in the next 6-12 months?
Only an opinion. I'm not a financial advisor. Both are going up. Property values won't be going up as fast as they have been as fewer look for new homes and the inventory increases. But unlike 2008, the inventory/supply is still far below the demand. The Fed has announced three rises in interest rates, the first coming next month. Although mortgage rates are more closely tied to the ten year bond, the bond rate normally follows the Fed lending rate.

Thanks.  I have two friends that are looking for houses, and both are just discouraged by the market today.  They are hoping that it returns to a more normal pace, whatever "normal" is any more.
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: Cougartail on February 26, 2022, 09:56:58 AM
Buying a house without an inspection is like marrying a woman without dating her. Can ruin your life!

A high end house I know of was sold then had to be torn down because of mold. Lawsuits were everywhere in that deal.
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: Forks on February 26, 2022, 10:04:18 AM
I've been doing lots of pre offer inspections for clients the last year or so. Every home and situation is different but I fully understand waiving when you've lost out on multiple previous offers. My opinion is atleast have a competent person look in the attic and crawlspace....this is where the hidden gems show up. It's definitely "take out the trash" time for sellers as they can dump homes fully knowing buyers have zero leverage and the disclosure form is easy to get around. I agree that rates will rise as will prices with supply low. So many fools with pure cash are moving to our region.
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: Mudman on February 26, 2022, 10:05:07 AM
Inspections will put ya out of the dealing...  Bring a inspector or friend or builder/craftsmen with you on your own.  People expect their old used house to be perfect with no flaws?  Really?  Buy a new house then.  I dont expect a 20 used work truck  to be in perfect shape.  Do you?  It is crazy market but that is ending now.  Before this year is done market will be changed.  Wait a year to buy.  Housing market is crashing now.  It takes time and will be a slow death.  Rates will be 2% higher by 2023.  Biden is still pres.  Markets a mess.  War looming.  Shortages coming again.  Building materials remain very high.  Truckers are striking/convoy.   It is a mess brewing.   NO way I would BUY home now.  I hope you all do so my business remains strong but its so risky now.        In summary used houses are NOT remodeled show homes but some seem to expect that.   Be smart and inspect on your own or bring a tradesmen to check out so ya dont push yourself out of the deal.   I did it myself on my home and had an inspector.  He did well enough but I was way beyond his skills and knowledge to be honest.  Finance was happy and I was out $400.  Im rambling but be careful, be smart and be patient.
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: buggy on February 26, 2022, 05:56:36 PM
Great topic Pianoman.

I recommend that any home buyer should get an inspection. I have represented a few buyers who waived their inspection (mostly investor types who know what they're getting into) but i always have a long conversation about what they're risking especially when dealing with more inexperienced buyers. Sometimes you're better off not getting the house!

On the other hand, when representing a seller its hard to ignore an offer without an inspection contingency. The important thing here is making sure that the seller disclosure is filled out perfectly/honestly because that will be the first place the buyer looks when they realize the house has issues. Seller disclosures are the leading source of lawsuits in real estate transactions. As a seller I would hesitate to say anything that might discourage or prohibit an inspection. It would be difficult to argue your innocence when you didn't allow the buyer a chance to verify the disclosure that you filled out.

The vast majority of transactions involve an inspection and its really not a big deal when handled by reasonable adults.

I guess the point of all my rambling is, make sure you understand what your decisions really mean and what the possible consequences are. 

Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: Jingles on February 26, 2022, 06:06:46 PM
There are lenders mortgage companies loan guarantees that require an inspection. I.e. VA requires an inspection, at least they did when I used them for 3 different purchases.
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: buggy on February 26, 2022, 06:12:07 PM
There are lenders mortgage companies loan guarantees that require an inspection. I.e. VA requires an inspection, at least they did when I used them for 3 different purchases.


I haven't worked with a lender who requires an inspection in quite a while. Maybe some still do???

I believe VA,FHA,USDA loans require the appraiser to poke their head in the crawlspace and attic but i wouldn't consider this a home inspection.

Correct me if this isn't 100 percent correct pianoman.
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: Alchase on February 26, 2022, 07:14:51 PM
My VA loan in 2015 here in OK required an inspection.
Title: Re: Do I Really Need An Inspection?
Post by: pianoman9701 on February 27, 2022, 08:56:59 AM
My VA loan in 2015 here in OK required an inspection.

All VA purchase loans require an appraisal by a VA certified appraiser. The appraiser is qualified to spot certain things, like infestations, structure problems, etc., or know about common problems in the area that may affect the prospective home. They can then order an inspection if needed. This is for the protection of the veteran borrower.
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