Post by: dvolmer on March 11, 2022, 06:52:58 PM
Post by: dvolmer on March 11, 2022, 06:55:35 PM
It's interesting to read the comments at the end of the article. There are some pretty peeved people. Im not in the game but this still gets my blood boiling. It's like buying into a big game raffle where the cost of the ticket is $100 and they tell you only 100 tickets will be sold. So you think. "What the heck, I'll give it a try" and then you find out that they sold 10,000 tickets and gobbled up all of your money and majorly skewed the odds. The old bait and switch scheme!
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on March 11, 2022, 06:57:08 PM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 11, 2022, 07:55:29 PM
Post by: Stein on March 11, 2022, 10:04:20 PM
Now, there seems to be a trend of resident hunters willing to bear greater costs in return for either less NR pressure overall or a bigger pool of resident draw tags. It's a trade that really makes sense for resident hunters in many eyes. I think this is one of those examples. I wouldn't be surprised to see more.
Post by: dvolmer on March 12, 2022, 12:41:05 AM
Historically, western states were very reluctant to raise resident costs because hunters would absolutely come unhinged over even the most minor increases. I remember a few that were something like a $7 increase and pitchforks came out. So, game departments would stick it to NR's, we bitch and then write checks for whatever they ask.. Agreed.
Now, there seems to be a trend of resident hunters willing to bear greater costs in return for either less NR pressure overall or a bigger pool of resident draw tags. It's a trade that really makes sense for resident hunters in many eyes. I think this is one of those examples. I wouldn't be surprised to see more.
Post by: lhrbull on March 12, 2022, 04:39:22 AM
Post by: Iveexcaped3 on March 12, 2022, 06:07:59 AM
Maybe it’ll get hunters to start putting fire under their own departments ass instead of saying “I’ll just hunt out of state and not buy tags here”
Post by: CaNINE on March 12, 2022, 06:29:33 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 12, 2022, 07:36:15 AM
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on March 12, 2022, 07:39:50 AM
Yeah it sucks but at the same time why should Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Utah take on the burden because other states like Washington Oregon and California fail to actually manage game.That's true. But TBH hunters in WA are CA have no influence over larger wildlife and habitat issues. We just don't have a big enough voice here.
Maybe it’ll get hunters to start putting fire under their own departments ass instead of saying “I’ll just hunt out of state and not buy tags here”
It is a frustration that much of the NonRes hunting in those states occurs on federal property, that belongs to us as much as the residents. WY has been gradually putting the screws to NRs for a while, starting with the guide requirement on wilderness
Post by: link on March 12, 2022, 07:40:46 AM
Sure hope I draw a gen tag this year. I guess I’ll focus on other states now, too bad.If they do go further and get the 90/10 for DEA, I sure wouldn't think it would affect NR general elk tags or general region deer tags. Those are already unlimited, OTC for the residents. One side effect would be more NRs would be putting in for the general elk and deer tags instead of the LQs. No matter how you look at it though, it is a kick in the nuts to the NRs.
Post by: Iveexcaped3 on March 12, 2022, 07:46:13 AM
Yeah it sucks but at the same time why should Wyoming, Montana, Idaho, Utah take on the burden because other states like Washington Oregon and California fail to actually manage game.That's true. But TBH hunters in WA are CA have no influence over larger wildlife and habitat issues. We just don't have a big enough voice here.
Maybe it’ll get hunters to start putting fire under their own departments ass instead of saying “I’ll just hunt out of state and not buy tags here”
It is a frustration that much of the NonRes hunting in those states occurs on federal property, that belongs to us as much as the residents. WY has been gradually putting the screws to NRs for a while, starting with the guide requirement on wilderness
I think that’s because we’re approaching it the wrong way. We need a group that’s non hunting related that advocates for big game. Rmef has done well but is also tied to hunting, we need something that will allow hunters to silently support but will also draw interest in the general public so we can get rid of some of these preds.
Post by: GWP on March 12, 2022, 07:50:25 AM
Things change. Rules need to change as well to align with the ‘new reality’. It sucks, but it is, inevitable.
Post by: kselkhunter on March 12, 2022, 08:46:15 AM
If they make the same change to Deer elk and antelope it will cost them a fortune. Hopefully they don't, I would be done and have to eat a decade worth of point fees
The legislators are already working on the bill for deer/elk/antelope to move to 90/10. The Eastman's article references that. What he's hearing is they will cut the deer/elk/antelope NR tags, but allocate a chunk of them to outfitters and landowner tags instead of going in the draw for non-residents. Basically they want to force most NR hunters to use an outfitter or pay to hunt private land. But that deer/elk/antelope bill is still being discussed what the final parameters will be.
Post by: Stein on March 12, 2022, 12:34:54 PM
If I was a hotel owner that catered to traveling hunters I would be pretty vocal about the outfitters wanting all or even more tags.
Not to say it won't happen, but it's going to be different because of this as well as a lack of benefit to resident hunters. The outfitters would be on their own with that one. It's a more naked money grab than the discussion of giving more tags to residents.
Post by: kselkhunter on March 12, 2022, 01:23:37 PM
With DEA, there are other voices that will come into play like hotel owners. With OIL stuff, the financial impact is pretty limited and outfitters can speak loudly.
If I was a hotel owner that catered to traveling hunters I would be pretty vocal about the outfitters wanting all or even more tags.
Not to say it won't happen, but it's going to be different because of this as well as a lack of benefit to resident hunters. The outfitters would be on their own with that one. It's a more naked money grab than the discussion of giving more tags to residents.
In the proposed DEA bill landowners would also get some of those tags that used to go to non-residents. So this is large landowners also flexing their muscles alongside the outfitters. Those large landowners control alot of WY politics.
Post by: Stein on March 12, 2022, 02:49:46 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 12, 2022, 04:42:54 PM
With DEA, there are other voices that will come into play like hotel owners. With OIL stuff, the financial impact is pretty limited and outfitters can speak loudly.
If I was a hotel owner that catered to traveling hunters I would be pretty vocal about the outfitters wanting all or even more tags.
Not to say it won't happen, but it's going to be different because of this as well as a lack of benefit to resident hunters. The outfitters would be on their own with that one. It's a more naked money grab than the discussion of giving more tags to residents.
In the proposed DEA bill landowners would also get some of those tags that used to go to non-residents. So this is large landowners also flexing their muscles alongside the outfitters. Those large landowners control alot of WY politics.
I don't believe there's any bill or anything else that's been written up or proposed yet for deer, elk, and antelope. There's talk by hunters on internet forums about "what if." But that's about it at this point, as far as I know.
Post by: kselkhunter on March 12, 2022, 04:53:31 PM
With DEA, there are other voices that will come into play like hotel owners. With OIL stuff, the financial impact is pretty limited and outfitters can speak loudly.
If I was a hotel owner that catered to traveling hunters I would be pretty vocal about the outfitters wanting all or even more tags.
Not to say it won't happen, but it's going to be different because of this as well as a lack of benefit to resident hunters. The outfitters would be on their own with that one. It's a more naked money grab than the discussion of giving more tags to residents.
In the proposed DEA bill landowners would also get some of those tags that used to go to non-residents. So this is large landowners also flexing their muscles alongside the outfitters. Those large landowners control alot of WY politics.
I don't believe there's any bill or anything else that's been written up or proposed yet for deer, elk, and antelope. There's talk by hunters on internet forums about "what if." But that's about it at this point, as far as I know.
You are correct the bill for 90/10 deer/elk/antelope has not been released as a bill yet. Sorry, I shouldn't have used the word "bill". But it is being defined right now by the Wyoming Wildlife Task Force to work out the details prior to be worked on as a bill in the legislature. Guy Eastman covers the details in the article. He admits it's still a ways off from becoming a bill because they have to figure out how to replace the revenue yet. But it appears to be a "when and how" rather than an "if" situation at this point. He shared what he knows of the current status of that discussion from his friends on the Task Force. And that is what I was referring to. I should have used the word "plan" instead of "bill".
Post by: NRA4LIFE on March 12, 2022, 06:26:29 PM
Post by: idaho guy on March 12, 2022, 07:24:42 PM
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on March 12, 2022, 11:53:55 PM
I was just debating jumping in. Probably good I forgot to buy points or apply every year. Still considering deer/elk but looks grim also. I think I will just stay Idaho and Montana that’s pretty much the only places I have consistently hunted. The multiple state applications just seem to get worse every year.The one thing Wyoming really has going for it is the ability to apply and get an antelope tag most any year you want, and I don’t think that will change even with 90/10
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Post by: lhrbull on March 13, 2022, 03:41:53 PM
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Post by: archerykraze on April 19, 2022, 12:36:39 PM
Post by: KFhunter on April 19, 2022, 02:04:10 PM
Maybe Washington should designate at least 10% or even 20% of its limited entry tags for nonresidents.
Washington doesn't get many non-res other than Turkey, and I think it would be difficult to justify limited entry Turkey tags :chuckle:
Post by: archerykraze on April 19, 2022, 02:30:28 PM
Maybe Washington should designate at least 10% or even 20% of its limited entry tags for nonresidents.
Washington doesn't get many non-res other than Turkey, and I think it would be difficult to justify limited entry Turkey tags :chuckle:
:chuckle:That'd be one trophy of a tom to drive 500 miles for.
Post by: archerykraze on April 19, 2022, 02:38:01 PM
Post by: greenhead_killer on April 19, 2022, 05:37:40 PM
i think youre underestimating how many nr are applying for our oil tags. hard to track as they dont have to buy license to buy points on them. if i were a nr hunter, id spend the $39 it costs to apply for oil tags. we dont know what the actual number is until they draw. we should follow suit of other states and drop it to 10% nr on oilsMaybe Washington should designate at least 10% or even 20% of its limited entry tags for nonresidents.
Washington doesn't get many non-res other than Turkey, and I think it would be difficult to justify limited entry Turkey tags :chuckle:
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on April 19, 2022, 05:46:35 PM
Except it’s not $39 it’s $113/speciesi think youre underestimating how many nr are applying for our oil tags. hard to track as they dont have to buy license to buy points on them. if i were a nr hunter, id spend the $39 it costs to apply for oil tags. we dont know what the actual number is until they draw. we should follow suit of other states and drop it to 10% nr on oilsMaybe Washington should designate at least 10% or even 20% of its limited entry tags for nonresidents.
Washington doesn't get many non-res other than Turkey, and I think it would be difficult to justify limited entry Turkey tags :chuckle:
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Post by: Stein on April 19, 2022, 06:19:42 PM
Post by: snake on April 19, 2022, 06:43:45 PM
Post by: idaho guy on April 22, 2022, 10:23:59 AM
Except it’s not $39 it’s $113/speciesi think youre underestimating how many nr are applying for our oil tags. hard to track as they dont have to buy license to buy points on them. if i were a nr hunter, id spend the $39 it costs to apply for oil tags. we dont know what the actual number is until they draw. we should follow suit of other states and drop it to 10% nr on oilsMaybe Washington should designate at least 10% or even 20% of its limited entry tags for nonresidents.
Washington doesn't get many non-res other than Turkey, and I think it would be difficult to justify limited entry Turkey tags :chuckle:
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Washington is a terrible deal for non residents. Non resident youth is the only thing that makes sense. The odds don’t justify the cost at all. I would be shocked if there are many putting in. Some die hard sheep and goat guys that apply in every possible state probably put in. The raffle tickets are better odds I think.
Post by: andrew_in_idaho on April 23, 2022, 11:53:47 AM
I actually hunted Washington for the first time since I moved to Idaho last year, it was kinda cool to be able to pick up a deer tag the day before season and hunt with family. Helped my brother in law to kill his first muley buck and had a fleeting opportunity at a pretty decent buck but the real value was in spending a week hunting with my dad, grandpa and other familyExcept it’s not $39 it’s $113/speciesi think youre underestimating how many nr are applying for our oil tags. hard to track as they dont have to buy license to buy points on them. if i were a nr hunter, id spend the $39 it costs to apply for oil tags. we dont know what the actual number is until they draw. we should follow suit of other states and drop it to 10% nr on oilsMaybe Washington should designate at least 10% or even 20% of its limited entry tags for nonresidents.
Washington doesn't get many non-res other than Turkey, and I think it would be difficult to justify limited entry Turkey tags :chuckle:
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Washington is a terrible deal for non residents. Non resident youth is the only thing that makes sense. The odds don’t justify the cost at all. I would be shocked if there are many putting in. Some die hard sheep and goat guys that apply in every possible state probably put in. The raffle tickets are better odds I think.
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Post by: idaho guy on April 25, 2022, 09:31:17 PM
I actually hunted Washington for the first time since I moved to Idaho last year, it was kinda cool to be able to pick up a deer tag the day before season and hunt with family. Helped my brother in law to kill his first muley buck and had a fleeting opportunity at a pretty decent buck but the real value was in spending a week hunting with my dad, grandpa and other familyExcept it’s not $39 it’s $113/speciesi think youre underestimating how many nr are applying for our oil tags. hard to track as they dont have to buy license to buy points on them. if i were a nr hunter, id spend the $39 it costs to apply for oil tags. we dont know what the actual number is until they draw. we should follow suit of other states and drop it to 10% nr on oilsMaybe Washington should designate at least 10% or even 20% of its limited entry tags for nonresidents.
Washington doesn't get many non-res other than Turkey, and I think it would be difficult to justify limited entry Turkey tags :chuckle:
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Washington is a terrible deal for non residents. Non resident youth is the only thing that makes sense. The odds don’t justify the cost at all. I would be shocked if there are many putting in. Some die hard sheep and goat guys that apply in every possible state probably put in. The raffle tickets are better odds I think.
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The oil tags application cost for the odds look like a terrible deal to me. The raffle tickets would be a better deal I think. Even that’s terrible odds unless you spend a ton of money. I can see nr buying otc deer and elk tags 👍 especially hunters from states without any elk to hunt. As other states get more restricted with tags I could see people from east or Midwest buying the elk tags otc just for a chance to chase elk. Without having to play the points game. I don’t know? People are buying points and putting in for pretty low quality hunts right now just to have a tag. Anyways I think the oil draws are not a good deal for nr. I thought they were talking about capping those at 10 percent. Probably not necessary. I don’t think many nr hunters are buying the otc licenses either but that could change as other western states keep getting harder to draw