Post by: sisu on May 11, 2009, 10:52:52 AM
I just off the phone with Dave Workman from the 2nd Amendment people, so I know this information is accurate and correct.
You have to use an FFL dealer plain and simple.
Post by: jackelope on May 11, 2009, 11:03:56 AM
definitely true when crossing state lines. it becomes interstate commerce and becomes a federally regulated activity....i have called the ATF and asked them because i have about 15 long guns and pistols in NY that need to be sent to me.
Post by: huntnphool on May 11, 2009, 11:25:04 AM
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i have about 15 long guns and pistols in NY that need to be sent to me.
ROAD TRIP!!!!! :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on May 11, 2009, 11:28:25 AM
another $70 when they get here.
handguns, from NY anyway, have to go from an FFL holder to an FFL holder so you get the double wammy. the long guns can be shipped from my dad to an FFL holder, and the transfer fees are a little less, so those won't be so bad.
Post by: woodswalker on May 11, 2009, 11:28:50 AM
done the roadtrip a time or two...its worth the hassles....for getting you own guns...not for purchases
Post by: CP on May 11, 2009, 11:29:51 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 11, 2009, 11:30:46 AM
Long guns shipped within WA do not need to go through an FFL
agreed.
Post by: boneaddict on May 11, 2009, 11:36:24 AM
Post by: huntnphool on May 11, 2009, 11:36:34 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 11, 2009, 11:39:32 AM
I'll be headed to Maine this fall for moose, so have your Dad meet me. :)
his buddy is the guy who is the moose hunter. i'm sure he'd be happy to meet, as long as you don't mind a spotter or 2 on your moose hunt. :chuckle:
:jacked:
back on track gentlemen.
Post by: boneaddict on May 11, 2009, 11:41:59 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 11, 2009, 11:44:09 AM
i could ship the guns in my name from NY to myself here in WA but that would be bending the rules some and i don't want to do that.
Post by: huntnphool on May 11, 2009, 11:44:40 AM
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:jacked:back on track gentlemen.
:dunno:
Post by: boneaddict on May 11, 2009, 11:48:07 AM
Post by: sisu on May 11, 2009, 12:28:40 PM
Post by: boneaddict on May 11, 2009, 12:33:55 PM
Post by: jackelope on May 11, 2009, 12:37:57 PM
scroll down................
Post by: sisu on May 11, 2009, 12:55:39 PM
I'd rather pay more, or lose the sale rather than face some legal problem.
Post by: jackelope on May 11, 2009, 01:05:41 PM
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B. UNLICENSED PERSONS
(B1) To whom may an unlicensed person transfer firearms under the GCA? [Back]
A person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of his State, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may loan or rent a firearm to a resident of any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes, if he does not know or have reasonable cause to believe the person is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law. A person may sell or transfer a firearm to a licensee in any State. However, a firearm other than a curio or relic may not be transferred interstate to a licensed collector.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(d), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]
(B2) From whom may an unlicensed person acquire a firearm under the GCA? [Back]
A person may only acquire a firearm within the person’s own State, except that he or she may purchase or otherwise acquire a rifle or shotgun, in person, at a licensee's premises in any State, provided the sale complies with State laws applicable in the State of sale and the State where the purchaser resides. A person may borrow or rent a firearm in any State for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and (5), 922(b)(3), 27 CFR 478.29 and 478.30]
(B3) May an unlicensed person obtain a firearm from an out-of-State source if the person arranges to obtain the firearm through a licensed dealer in the purchaser’s own State? [Back]
A person not licensed under the GCA and not prohibited from acquiring firearms may purchase a firearm from an out-of-State source and obtain the firearm if an arrangement is made with a licensed dealer in the purchaser's State of residence for the purchaser to obtain the firearm from the dealer.
[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(3) and 922(b)(3)]
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b1
Post by: Mike450r on May 11, 2009, 02:03:59 PM
I was at the post office the other day and a guy in front of me got a box of ammunition in from a private party. He just about couldn't carry it it was so heavy. Postal clerk said, wow thats heavy and the guy goes, yep its a whole bucnh of ammo. You can't buy any here so I bought it on ebay........ :dunno: I thought that was wrong in so many ways, but the clerk didn't bat an eye.
I have shipped tons of ammo, it has been a few year but the only requirement was that the box be stamped or labeled "small arms ammunition"
Post by: bobcat on May 11, 2009, 07:31:24 PM
Post by: Al Bundy on May 11, 2009, 07:37:25 PM
UPS is a pain in the ass to ship guns through. If I remember right, they have the most restrictive rules. Then Fed Ex. USPS is the easiest, and they deliver on Saturdays for no extra charge.
Post by: KillBilly on May 12, 2009, 09:27:02 AM
All of the above are only partially correct.
Consult the (Domestic Mailing Manual ) DMM 601.1.3 at :
http://pe.usps.gov/cpim/ftp/manuals/dmm300/full/mailingStandards.pdf
for clarification.
11.3 Rifles and Shotguns
Although unloaded rifles and shotguns not precluded by 11.1.1e and 11.1.2 are
mailable, mailers must comply with the Gun Control Act of 1968, Public Law
90-618, 18 USC 921, et seq., and the rules and regulations promulgated
thereunder, 27 CFR 178, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required
by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the
gun is unloaded and not precluded by 11.1.1e.
The referenced sections do point out what does not qualify. The US Post Office is pretty casual about this as long as they are packed correctly and you are willing if asked to open it or sign a statement that the weapon is unloaded.
11.1.2 Handguns
Pistols, revolvers, and other firearms capable of being concealed on the person
(referred to as handguns) are nonmailable unless mailed between the parties listed in
11.1.3 and 11.1.5 after the filing of an affidavit or statement required by 11.1.4 and
11.1.6.
11.1.3 - 11.1.6 do not apply to what you are suggesting. This the USPS Bible. Heed it well
They will mail anywheree in the U.S. by this rule
Post by: sisu on May 12, 2009, 10:32:38 PM
I've been re-educated and sentenced to eating heart to fart diet, so now I'm :liar:
Post by: bearpaw on June 20, 2009, 03:58:04 AM
Post by: bobcat on June 20, 2009, 08:36:50 AM
Post by: NataSS on October 08, 2009, 08:43:12 PM
i don't know how true that is within state bounds.
definitely true when crossing state lines. it becomes interstate commerce and becomes a federally regulated activity....i have called the ATF and asked them because i have about 15 long guns and pistols in NY that need to be sent to me.
I have a guy in everett that only charges 15.00 transfer fee. ALOT better than some of the larger shops in the area. Last place i checked wanted 65.00. I can check with him if that is per fire arm OR if he can do it per "load" so to speak.
Post by: flashover52 on October 11, 2009, 10:58:40 AM
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