Post by: KFhunter on April 09, 2022, 06:45:31 PM
Glass- can't afford aluminum that big, pretty efficient
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 09, 2022, 07:10:03 PM
Just to sleep 4 you'll need to be at a minimum 26'. And that's with one or two on the deck or floor.
You'll need an xl enclosed cabin...
So a bigger Parker, Osprey, or Seasport explorer.
Post by: KFhunter on April 09, 2022, 07:23:14 PM
lot nicer, diesel, no trailer
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bod/d/santa-cruz-sea-sport-27-navigator/7465393456.html
Post by: Angus on April 09, 2022, 07:41:50 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 09, 2022, 07:49:33 PM
The diesel will get you more range and better economy.
Lots of factors to consider.
If your looking for a good couple years of fun then either boat or similar..
If you want longevity than look for outboards... although hard to find on a Seasport. Looks towards a Skagit orca for outboards...
If people don't mind sleeping on the deck you could look into a bigger Grady white or similar cuddy style.
Again..lots of factors.
Post by: KFhunter on April 09, 2022, 07:51:14 PM
but it's gotta fish or I ain't doin it
Post by: Angus on April 09, 2022, 08:45:37 PM
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bod/d/nordland-seasport-2700-pilot/7465705534.html
lot nicer, diesel, no trailer
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/bod/d/santa-cruz-sea-sport-27-navigator/7465393456.html
Parked in a heated shop vs moored in salt water, I would want to put eyes on both of them before I would say 1 is nicer than the other. :twocents:
Post by: KFhunter on April 09, 2022, 09:48:19 PM
Post by: KFhunter on April 09, 2022, 09:59:56 PM
160 gal tank
16 gal per hour @ at 25Kn
So a true 200nm boat with a ~30% safety reserve
The diesel one has 2 x 160 tanks, so twice the fuel
I don't know consumption or cruise speed yet
The volvo penta makes me nervous, it has a supercharger and a turbo :o
complicated setup
Post by: Knocker of rocks on April 10, 2022, 08:47:28 AM
The volvo penta makes me nervous, it has a supercharger and a turbo :o
complicated setup
Looks like a nice boat, and Volvo-Pentas are nice products, but it does seem complicated, Both the turbo and super run until a certain rpm is reached where the turbo is spinning fast enough that it has enough boost that the super isn’t needed and it clutches out?
Post by: buckfvr on April 10, 2022, 10:01:40 AM
Me personally, I think the diesel would be worth the extra money, overall "IN THE PICS", the boats overall appearance is that of a well cared for vessel. IMHO that v8 will die a thousand deaths before the diesel misses a beat.
:twocents:
I just meant I liked the diesel
:tup:
Post by: NRA4LIFE on April 10, 2022, 10:06:43 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 10, 2022, 10:09:32 AM
There's a sweet Osprey up in AK you should look at ... Alaska boat brokers...if you buy it you can fly me up there and I'll run her back down to WA for ya.
Post by: CastleRocker on April 10, 2022, 10:20:08 AM
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2022, 10:21:13 AM
The volvo penta makes me nervous, it has a supercharger and a turbo :o
complicated setup
Looks like a nice boat, and Volvo-Pentas are nice products, but it does seem complicated, Both the turbo and super run until a certain rpm is reached where the turbo is spinning fast enough that it has enough boost that the super isn’t needed and it clutches out?
No turbo lag, no belching black smoke.
I prefer an old school cummins
Post by: NRA4LIFE on April 10, 2022, 10:26:17 AM
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2022, 12:35:38 PM
Just some food for thought; sometimes it's more economical to buy one that's already up there. I looked at three different 27' Sea Sports that were out in Sitka last summer. It was a guide business that was updating their fleet. I think they had 4 or 5 for sale at first, all diesel powered, and all were under $55k, with surprisingly low hours. Both of the boats I wanted sold before I could snag one however. So I rented the same Hewescraft that I have the last few years.
I've fished oyt of Seward, this is about disappearing in a cove, no one around, dropping a pot or two and camping a few days, kayaking around, then up to the next spot.
A good week or two weeks each way
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2022, 12:36:38 PM
Have you looked into the Ranger Tugs or similar boat? I believe their small diesels get phenomenal fuel mileage.
Yes, very expensive new but I haven't checked used market
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2022, 02:22:29 PM
I may need to give up the idea of towable
Or maybe dry docked?
Post by: Special T on April 10, 2022, 03:11:33 PM
Some folks buy a trailerable boat with a permitt but store the boat on the trailer near where they launch or sling it in. I hauled my buddies 26 Grady White from Cap Santa to Kirkland and launched it pretty easy with my 1 ton dodge.
If you are going out for just weekends then probably twin gas IO could fit your bill. Planing hull get there fast but suck down the fuel. May be harder to sleep 6.
If you go displacement you travel much slower, fuel is cheaper, less likely to screw up, and I think you soak the views up more. Down side is you don't have the power to outrun weather or fight a strong tide change.
This may or not have entered your mind. But goes back to a previous question. How much are you going to use this? When my family sold the boat we took a break from big boats. After several years my father just rented for a week or 2. Y
He could rent a 2 or 3 year old boat for 2 weeks split it with another couple and be money ahead of owning.
Last thing is if you have not done so take a slew of Coast Gaurd classes and get certified. My father had his skippers License and never had any problems renting because of it. Unlike the stupid state course, you actually learn some important stuff in the coast guard classes.
I hope this helps.
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2022, 03:31:43 PM
never thought of renting, I'm building up to a retirement plan of full time live aboard. I got 6-8 years to full retirement and by then I want to have some big boat water time.
As for use I'm not sure yet, I think I'll be going to do one big salt outing per year, but if it's towable I'll be using it on Lake Roosevelt and bigger lakes in my local area instead of a camper, it'll be a boat.
I could spend a week on Kootney lake easy.
I want to take friends and family for sure, so 6 people in comfort for 2 weeks would be ideal. They take their fishing boat and I use mine as a base.
For towing, I just wanted to avoid permits, an oversize load sign on the bumper is not a big deal
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2022, 03:40:44 PM
https://www.boattrader.com/boat/2012-cutwater-c-26-8259174/
8.5 wide, towable
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2022, 04:49:18 PM
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2022, 05:25:15 PM
Post by: HntnFsh on April 10, 2022, 05:39:41 PM
You should just go get it!
Post by: Knocker of rocks on April 10, 2022, 05:55:02 PM
https://www.boattrader.com/boat/2012-cutwater-c-28-luxury-edition-8260832/
Why such a big generator?
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2022, 05:55:39 PM
just showed the wife, she likes it :o
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2022, 05:56:05 PM
https://www.boattrader.com/boat/2012-cutwater-c-28-luxury-edition-8260832/
Why such a big generator?
prolly for the wine cellar :chuckle: :chuckle:
No, it's got air conditioning
32.7 kw is huuuge typo?
Post by: Knocker of rocks on April 10, 2022, 05:56:59 PM
Glass- can't afford aluminum that big, pretty efficient
Fiberglass is more economical than aluminum? I thought it was the other way around
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2022, 06:01:02 PM
aluminum boat with 300 hp diesel is way out my budget, in the same class of boat as that C28
Post by: Special T on April 10, 2022, 06:21:04 PM
https://www.boattrader.com/boat/2013-ranger-tugs-r-27-8209033/
I like this ranger. That's what I would buy if I was inclined. Even trailerable
Post by: HntnFsh on April 10, 2022, 07:25:51 PM
https://www.boattrader.com/boat/2013-ranger-tugs-r-27-8209033/
I like this ranger. That's what I would buy if I was inclined. Even trailerable
Thats a sweet looking unit also!
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 10, 2022, 07:41:19 PM
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2022, 08:00:57 PM
Rangers are known as slow death vessels...the reason it's in the tug/ trawler class..you don't get anywhere fast...I like slow cruising sometimes but when I want to get somewhere I want at least 20knts minimum from a boat. :twocents:
skip to 4:40
Post by: Special T on April 10, 2022, 08:04:44 PM
Rangers are known as slow death vessels...the reason it's in the tug/ trawler class..you don't get anywhere fast...I like slow cruising sometimes but when I want to get somewhere I want at least 20knts minimum from a boat. :twocents:
I have experienced both Planeing hulls and Displacement. IMO if I was out for 3 day weekends then A planeing hull would be my hull. IF i was retired then a displacement would be my hull. On my Uncles Nordic Tug we barely burnt any diesel. the trip was the perfect time to Have coffee, Smoke the pipe, and enjoy the hum of the engine and the swells.
It seems like KF wants a Liveaboard or a boat for long trips, in which case a displacement hull is the ticket. In a perfect world Id have an older Nordic say 34 ft a couple of kayaks and a dingy... Id pull a Jimmy Buffet and none of you suckers would see me half of the year!
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2022, 08:05:50 PM
Post by: Special T on April 10, 2022, 08:08:08 PM
I've been on boats that have a deep V entry and the bow tended to hook in a turn, I wonder if this ranger would do that too if that bow wasn't 2 inches out of the water, and boat totally empty as in this video
That deep V will save you A$$ in a storm
Post by: KFhunter on April 10, 2022, 08:09:21 PM
Rangers are known as slow death vessels...the reason it's in the tug/ trawler class..you don't get anywhere fast...I like slow cruising sometimes but when I want to get somewhere I want at least 20knts minimum from a boat. :twocents:
I have experienced both Planeing hulls and Displacement. IMO if I was out for 3 day weekends then A planeing hull would be my hull. IF i was retired then a displacement would be my hull. On my Uncles Nordic Tug we barely burnt any diesel. the trip was the perfect time to Have coffee, Smoke the pipe, and enjoy the hum of the engine and the swells.
It seems like KF wants a Liveaboard or a boat for long trips, in which case a displacement hull is the ticket. In a perfect world Id have an older Nordic say 34 ft a couple of kayaks and a dingy... Id pull a Jimmy Buffet and none of you suckers would see me half of the year!
Ya, I'm thinking I need a 6 year boat, then upgrade when I retire.
Might be an aluminum. Pops just sold his alum boat for more than $20k over what he bought it for :o
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on April 10, 2022, 08:48:50 PM
Rangers are known as slow death vessels...the reason it's in the tug/ trawler class..you don't get anywhere fast...I like slow cruising sometimes but when I want to get somewhere I want at least 20knts minimum from a boat. :twocents:
skip to 4:40
Bad ass boat right there.
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 10, 2022, 09:01:51 PM
Rangers are known as slow death vessels...the reason it's in the tug/ trawler class..you don't get anywhere fast...I like slow cruising sometimes but when I want to get somewhere I want at least 20knts minimum from a boat. :twocents:
skip to 4:40
Well it's a new model...if your spending that coin there are better options.
It's got an outboard...not the norm for rangers.
That guy testing it was a dork.
And the water...glass...let's test that in the Ocean :chuckle:
Post by: NRA4LIFE on April 10, 2022, 09:29:52 PM
If you're massively worried about fuel, go diesel. Yeah, it's a buck more a gallon now, but worth it.
Post by: Knocker of rocks on April 11, 2022, 06:55:15 AM
the trip was the perfect time to Have coffee, Smoke the pipe, and enjoy the hum of the engine and the swells.
Trippy dude
Post by: Stein on April 11, 2022, 07:19:25 AM
Post by: Special T on April 11, 2022, 07:22:23 AM
the trip was the perfect time to Have coffee, Smoke the pipe, and enjoy the hum of the engine and the swells.
Trippy dude
The perfect kind of trip!
Post by: KFhunter on April 11, 2022, 08:03:30 AM
Sea Sport 3200 would be a sweet boat, I couldn't own something that wasn't very fishable.
Ya I'm digging the seasport, closer to my budget for sure.
I think I'll wait for the big liveaboard till I'm retired.
Post by: Angry Perch on April 11, 2022, 03:20:50 PM
Post by: buckfvr on April 11, 2022, 03:31:20 PM
https://bellingham.craigslist.org/boa/d/blaine-sea-sport-2700-navigator/7469887458.html
WOW !! Has that ever been in the water ?
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on April 11, 2022, 07:41:23 PM
https://bellingham.craigslist.org/boa/d/blaine-sea-sport-2700-navigator/7469887458.html
WOW !! Has that ever been in the water ?
Nice boat.👍
Post by: KFhunter on April 13, 2022, 03:01:04 PM
I got my regular boating card required for all Washington boat owner under whatever age, I'm talking 6 pack or Skippers so I can charter a boat for 6-8 people or more.
Post by: Skillet on April 13, 2022, 03:14:18 PM
Anyone do an online boat course? There's a bazillion options!
I got my regular boating card required for all Washington boat owner under whatever age, I'm talking 6 pack or Skippers so I can charter a boat for 6-8 people or more.
The OUPV, or 6-pack license, is relatively easy to get. That allows you to take up to 6 paying customers on an uninspected vessel of any size.
If you want to charter for 7+, you need a master's license. Not easy to get, and you'll need to have your vessel inspected by the CG. There are exceptions where you can take up to 12 paying passengers on an uninspected vessel of between 100-300 Gross Tons (still need the appropriate master's license), but I suspect that's not under consideration here.
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 13, 2022, 03:24:59 PM
Anyone do an online boat course? There's a bazillion options!
I got my regular boating card required for all Washington boat owner under whatever age, I'm talking 6 pack or Skippers so I can charter a boat for 6-8 people or more.
Classes aren't so bad... the biggest issue is documented hours so USCG issues the license. Do you have a ton of boat time to document.?
I also think the in person classes are better. I used flagship Marine in Tacoma year's ago to get my Masters license. Skip is a good instructor.
Post by: Skillet on April 13, 2022, 03:31:15 PM
Anyone do an online boat course? There's a bazillion options!
I got my regular boating card required for all Washington boat owner under whatever age, I'm talking 6 pack or Skippers so I can charter a boat for 6-8 people or more.
Classes aren't so bad... the biggest issue is documented hours so USCG issues the license. Do you have a ton of boat time to document.?
I also think the in person classes are better. I used flagship Marine in Tacoma year's ago to get my Masters license. Skip is a good instructor.
Skip is the man. I know several guys that have gotten their master's license through him.
Documenting the hours for a 6-pack license is pretty easy. "There's a form for that"... getting into the master's licenses is much more difficult.
Post by: KFhunter on April 13, 2022, 03:57:32 PM
Post by: KFhunter on April 13, 2022, 03:59:42 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 13, 2022, 04:27:06 PM
Sea time is self documented if you own the vessel. If not, the owner needs to sign off on what you list as your time.
Puget sound is sperate than the ocean for what license the CG will issue. 6 pack is pretty easy to get hours wise.
Post by: Skillet on April 13, 2022, 04:35:30 PM
https://www.flagshipmaritimellc.com/ (https://www.flagshipmaritimellc.com/)
For documenting your sea service requirements, you need to fill out the CG Sea Service form.
The requirements (I believe) are 360 documented days (4 hours on the water equals one day), 90 of which need to be within the last three years and if you want to operate for hire in the ocean, 90 of the 360 need to have been in Coastal or Near Coastal waters. Otherwise you're restricted to inland waters only, but I believe that does include Puget Sound. Would be good to double check these numbers, as I'm pulling from memory. Or call up Flagship, they'll walk you through it.
I agree 100% with fishandgamereaper, it is worth the time and money to work with a pro agency like Flagship to get it all done and organized. There is a lot going on to get your license.
Post by: fishngamereaper on April 13, 2022, 04:39:23 PM
I was just thinking two weeks cause I added towing, radio coms and Master upgrade.
I would definitely consider adding Commercial assist towing and FCC radio operator permit...cheap add ons while your there. :twocents:
Post by: Skillet on April 13, 2022, 04:40:58 PM
:yeah:
I was just thinking two weeks cause I added towing, radio coms and Master upgrade.
I would definitely consider adding Commercial assist towing and FCC radio operator permit...cheap add ons while your there. :twocents:
100% agree. The more paper you have in your folder, the more valuable (and insurable) you are.
Post by: Special T on April 13, 2022, 05:25:09 PM
Anyone do an online boat course? There's a bazillion options!
I got my regular boating card required for all Washington boat owner under whatever age, I'm talking 6 pack or Skippers so I can charter a boat for 6-8 people or more.
For chartering a boat you wouldnt even need a 6 pack. Check with several of the rental outfits as to what they desire or require. IMO you can never go wrong with education, however what you need certifications for and what you need to learn likely arnt the same thing. Even a 6pack is for paying customers so unless your charging to take folks out fishing you likely dont need it. My Uncle participated in the USCG auxiliary. Perhaps their Weekender course is the first class to take?
http://wow.uscgaux.info/peclass.php?unit=130-04-08
Post by: Skillet on April 13, 2022, 06:49:05 PM
I have no idea what the requirements are for chartering a bareboat and bringing friends and family along.
Post by: Special T on April 13, 2022, 06:56:51 PM
Good point. I assumed when he said "charter for 6-8 people or more," KF meant that he wants to take out paying customers on his own boat.
I have no idea what the requirements are for chartering a bareboat and bringing friends and family along.
I took chartering a boat to mean renting one for a couple of weeks so 3 couples could cruise the Gulf islands.
Post by: KFhunter on April 13, 2022, 07:15:08 PM
rent a boat (yacht) and take people who pitch in for costs, and what licenses or endorsements to make renting a breeze.
I know I prolly want a sailing endorsement, fly to the Bahamas and rent a sailboat for a few weeks, probably a monohull, as catamarans are fetching a fat premium right now due to all the youtubers. and I haven't even stepped foot on a sailboat, I see those slow arse things and guys yanking on lines and I throttle up to go around, but now I'm thinking hmm....I could take that sucker to Hawaii if I wanted and not use 1800 gallons of 8 dollar diesel
If it sticks, I might just buy one and live on it a while, I'm due for a different lifestyle for a while
Post by: Come Get Some on May 11, 2022, 06:31:25 AM
Jim
https://photos.app.goo.gl/59hrrQVPo4wbsRP27
Post by: HntnFsh on May 11, 2022, 12:18:35 PM
Fantastic looking boat!