Post by: HoofsandWings on May 12, 2009, 09:48:58 AM
Do you shoot him in the chest? What if waving arms and yelling does not slow him down?
Is this where the .22 side arm comes in handy? Or that black powder pistol?
Post by: boneaddict on May 12, 2009, 09:54:56 AM
Black, take the shot then start swinging. :) or pull the .45 blackpowder army out and put 6 more into him.
Post by: bowtech721 on May 12, 2009, 10:15:23 AM
Post by: marc10000 on May 12, 2009, 02:49:43 PM
Post by: saylean on May 12, 2009, 02:53:33 PM
I've been charged (while bear hunting)...I shot her at about 20 yards or less with my rifle, right in the chest.
I would do the same if I was archery hunting. I carry a .45 for just such a reason.
Post by: boneaddict on May 12, 2009, 03:08:40 PM
Other than the Cheetah thread bow.....pretty real.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 12, 2009, 03:10:05 PM
Post by: boneaddict on May 12, 2009, 03:14:13 PM
Here is the link to the full story and a couple others.http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,6522.15.html (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,6522.15.html)
Post by: WDFW-SUX on May 12, 2009, 03:15:26 PM
Post by: Hillbilly270 on May 12, 2009, 03:37:30 PM
hasn't happened to me yet but that would scare the livin bajeezus out of me. I just got a p226 .40cal.....is that big enough for a bear?
Post by: saylean on May 12, 2009, 03:44:10 PM
'werewolves dont have knards'...
from some 80's movie...lol...
Post by: Hillbilly270 on May 12, 2009, 03:49:46 PM
Post by: saylean on May 12, 2009, 03:50:43 PM
sorry for the thread jack...continue on
Post by: HawkenBob on May 12, 2009, 03:58:06 PM
Some will tell you a 9mm is enough, some will say a 7th grader with a baseball, it's all what makes you feel better. If I had only a 9mm id definatly not shoot for a between the eyes shot. You might kill the hummingbird or spotted owl in the tree form your richochet off his super thick, high angled skull. Lol
Now that the regs are changed, Id carry a 40 cal minimum. And like Bone said, its the first shot that counts. Id wait till its about 10 to 20 feet away. And then unleash my hard cast .357 into his skull. The next 4 would go DA mode center mass. If I needed more, Id cry. Lol
Post by: billythekidrock on May 12, 2009, 04:00:00 PM
Since you have one shot at the most and the bear is closing ground at 20 mph, what next?
Do you shoot him in the chest? What if waving arms and yelling does not slow him down?
Is this where the .22 side arm comes in handy? Or that black powder pistol?
Are you talking griz or blacky?
Blacky I would stand my ground or take a shot in front of the bear.
Griz, I would crap myself.
Post by: Curly on May 12, 2009, 04:04:39 PM
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5hZ6O68pls[/youtube]
As far as the original question........just shoot him with your muzzleloader rifle. (Don't miss.)
Post by: whacker1 on May 12, 2009, 04:20:07 PM
Post by: jdb on May 12, 2009, 06:50:41 PM
'kick him in the nards!'might just be the beer but that cracked me up!
'werewolves dont have knards'...
from some 80's movie...lol...
Post by: ratherhunt on May 12, 2009, 10:50:26 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on May 13, 2009, 05:58:05 AM
Post by: oneezreiter on May 13, 2009, 06:31:11 AM
Post by: MeatGETTER24 on May 13, 2009, 07:57:51 PM
I would spaz out, make girly noises and wet myself as I unload my handgun at him the whole time. Hopefully I hit him. Later, I would tell everyone how brave I was. :chuckle:
:yeah:
Post by: SHANE(WA) on May 14, 2009, 12:38:37 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on May 14, 2009, 04:07:55 AM
Post by: rasbo on May 14, 2009, 04:33:15 AM
Post by: Kain on May 14, 2009, 07:05:31 AM
Monster Squad was the name of the movie.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu6L9pG_E6o[/youtube]
As for the bear I would probably scream like a girl and fire whatever shot I could get off. Then put something in its mouth other than my face. If I could I would pull my revolver if not maybe my knife and go at him prison yard style. :yike: :violent1:
Post by: HawkenBob on May 14, 2009, 07:18:44 AM
Swatting at them like bees? Puhleeze..... Are you saying your dad "unloaded" multiple rounds from a 9mm pistol into a bear, and it was unaffected? More info please.
Maybe affected, but a 9 wont stop one. Not enough energy to penetrate were it needs to. Thats the whole reason the cops and feds dont use it. It dosent stop people, how can it stop a 400 pound bear that dosent know its supposed to die when shot.
Even the military is looking at retiring the M9 for that reason. They have done numerous studies on cases were in tactical situations at 30 or less feet even a double tap from the 9 dosent stop the oponent. In fact, in most cases the reciever of said double tap still had 15 seconds on avarage to return fire.
This is factual info from the military. Now try to penetrate thru all that muscle, fat and bone. Bears are way tougher than humans. Not saying a 9 is a bad defense gun. I carry a Glock 26 sometimes. But in the woods Ill take 5 shots from my 357 any day over the 17 coming out of my extended clip Glock...
Id love to trade it for a G27 40sw though, thats a tough round right there. Made because the 10mm was too much for females in the field to handle. But still awesome stopping power.
No matter what we carry, you said it best, were still gonna make girly noises and wet ourselves in a situation like this...Lol.
Post by: Gringo31 on May 18, 2009, 08:12:15 PM
Granted, this is coming from a guy who hunted browns spot and stalk in Alaska last year with his bow (unsuccessfully). A .22 will kill a 1800# cow every time if it is put in the right spot. In the woods, if in trouble, that 9mm will do the most good by the noise it makes. I personally don't pack a cannon or feel the need to.
Gringo
Post by: ICEMAN on May 18, 2009, 08:42:07 PM
I think too many of you guys have been listening to campfire stories too long.
Gringo
Well woopy F'ing doo!
You choose to be who you are, we choose to talk about it. Nothing wrong with that. It is really nice that you feel safe enough to not carry when in the back country. If you get hurt, just keep slinging them arrows up into the air, I am sure someone will find you.
Post by: Gringo31 on May 19, 2009, 07:47:12 AM
If you want to carry, fine. If you want to talk about it, cool. The point I was trying to make was that there really is very low risk of being faced with that situation and it isn't something that you should be "afraid" of when in the woods.
Post by: ghgetter on May 19, 2009, 09:50:25 AM
Post by: bowtech721 on May 19, 2009, 09:52:34 AM
Go down on it, and make your getaway when its having a smoke. :rolleyes:
:yike: you go ahead and try that... :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on May 19, 2009, 09:56:06 AM
:bow:
:bs:
Post by: Pat/Rick on May 19, 2009, 10:18:19 AM
Post by: rasbo on May 19, 2009, 10:36:03 AM
damn Ice thats why I carried three extra arrows. :chuckle:..then I thunk about it,after almost getting bit I like a side arm.I always packed while bow hunting..better to have and not needI think too many of you guys have been listening to campfire stories too long.
Gringo
Well woopy F'ing doo!
You choose to be who you are, we choose to talk about it. Nothing wrong with that. It is really nice that you feel safe enough to not carry when in the back country. If you get hurt, just keep slinging them arrows up into the air, I am sure someone will find you.
Post by: rasbo on May 19, 2009, 10:37:46 AM
I nominate pat/rick for YAR,the only way in....Go down on it, and make your getaway when its having a smoke. :rolleyes:
:yike: you go ahead and try that... :chuckle:
Post by: Pat/Rick on May 21, 2009, 10:04:50 AM
Post by: Curly on May 21, 2009, 11:13:49 AM
Post by: Huntbear on May 21, 2009, 11:20:07 AM
I nominate pat/rick for YAR,the only way in....Go down on it, and make your getaway when its having a smoke. :rolleyes:
:yike: you go ahead and try that... :chuckle:
I second that motion,, he is definitely NOT RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Pat/Rick on May 21, 2009, 11:28:24 AM
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on May 21, 2009, 12:30:03 PM
Even the military is looking at retiring the M9 for that reason.
Apparently not yet.
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Beretta USA received purchase orders from the US Army and US Navy for a total of 10,576 M9 pistols (5,969 for the Army, 4,607 for the Navy). The purchase orders were issued against a multi-year contract between Beretta and the US Army, which serves as executive purchasing agent of the M9 pistol for all branches of the US Armed Forces.
"We are always honored to be given the opportunity to serve the US Armed Forces by supplying the Beretta M9 Pistol," noted Jeff Reh, Vice-General Manager for Beretta USA. "The Beretta M9 pistol remains the most reliable and well-tested handgun in the US military inventory, with tests resulting in an average of only one malfunction every 20,500 rounds fired." Beretta, manufacturer of the Beretta M9 pistol, employs more than 330 employees and manufactures the sidearm at its factory in Accokeek, Maryland.
The Beretta M9 pistol has been the standard sidearm for the US Armed Forces since 1985. In 2005, Beretta received 13 contracts for M9 pistols and component parts from the Army and Marine Corps. More than $31 million in purchase orders have since been issued to Beretta USA.--Courtesy Karen Lutto & Associates
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on May 21, 2009, 01:43:34 PM
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i would like to know what bear at 12 yards gave a guy enough time to empty a handgun mag then put 3 more rifle rounds into him from another guy.
I'm not calling BS...
There isn't enough information in his post. Double stack high cap pistol? 115gn Round nose bullets? Single stack? In Bullseye competion I shoot 5 45acp rounds in less than 10 seconds at 25yds all in the black of a 25yd target then the target turns away. I've done the same in less than 7 seconds. IDPA shooters do this at 12yds for 5 rounds in less than 3.2 seconds with .40 and 9mm all the time.
So, Lets call it a bit of high tension where a guy dumps 10 rounds, one round per .6sec. OK, That's some rapid fire, but really, anyone can do that. And anyone not trained or practicing may not hit target every one of those shots. (I'll call a little BS on the swatting at the rounds... :dunno:) But, once the hand gun is empty, and the communication for someone else standing there with rifle, is given for them to shoot that BAR or whatever to dump that Bear in it's tracks, I'll leave that it's possible.
Unlikely, but possible.
Any of my hunting partners would have opened up with the rifle as I was shooting the pistol if the Bear was advancing. I do not believe that they would, if I was drilling the Bear full of holes with my 44mag at that distance and the Bear was not advancing. They'd wait until I gave the go-ahead.
Bone has taken a Bear with pistol. I'm sure there are archers or other pistol hunters here that have also. I wish I had taken my above average Bear with pistol. As it was, 75' with 30-06 did not drop him in his tracks. If not for the windfall between us, as he ran right toward me, he really could have hurt me. Luckily he turned away. I was pretty much alone in the woods. My partner knew not where I was.
-Steve
Post by: ICEMAN on May 21, 2009, 08:14:54 PM
Post by: rasbo on May 21, 2009, 08:42:01 PM