Post by: lazydrifter on May 12, 2009, 01:30:10 PM
Post by: Huntbear on May 12, 2009, 02:45:29 PM
There are none to be found.. I check about 20 places every other day, all across the country.
Post by: HawkenBob on May 12, 2009, 02:54:01 PM
seriosly though, they have them but only have a few boxes so there spliting the wealth. 200 per type per person.
Post by: jackelope on May 12, 2009, 03:01:27 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on May 12, 2009, 03:43:52 PM
Post by: Bigshooter on May 12, 2009, 03:44:25 PM
Post by: Coasthunterjay on May 12, 2009, 04:37:53 PM
i should get more....
Post by: gasman on May 12, 2009, 04:54:32 PM
My buddy went to another pleace here in Tacoma and picked up 2 bricks of LR and 2 bricks of LP primers along with some powder. He payed $26 a pund n the powder and $50 a brick for CCI primers.
Sorry i do not endorse the place he bought them because the F#$ked me. But i will say, if you know what gun shop i will never step foot in again, you will know where i am refering to.
Post by: huntnphool on May 12, 2009, 06:56:44 PM
Post by: mazama on May 12, 2009, 07:58:36 PM
Post by: Huntbear on May 12, 2009, 08:07:32 PM
Post by: actionshooter on May 12, 2009, 10:45:28 PM
where is that gun show at?????
Puayllup, Next show is the 30-31st of this month
Post by: actionshooter on May 12, 2009, 10:58:25 PM
I'll laugh when all this settles down and primers are selling for half of what they are now.In the mean time, do you stop shooting? Stocking up is one thing, buying enough to get by is another.
Do yourselves a favor and look up Demand-Pull Inflation.
Post by: gasman on May 13, 2009, 05:18:27 AM
Post by: Ridgeratt on May 13, 2009, 05:32:05 AM
"In just first 3 months of 2009 Americans bought enough guns to outfit the entire Chinese and Indian army’s combined.
We also bought 1,529,635,000 rounds of ammunition in just the month of December 2008 Yeah that is right, that is Billion with a “B”. This number takes no accounting of reloading or reloaded ammunition."
Obama (5th) should be voted "Gun Salesman of the Year", not President....
this may explain as to were some of it went.
Post by: demontang on May 13, 2009, 07:31:44 AM
Post by: jackelope on May 13, 2009, 08:50:10 AM
Post by: Huntbear on May 13, 2009, 12:57:48 PM
I'll laugh when all this settles down and primers are selling for half of what they are now.In the mean time, do you stop shooting? Stocking up is one thing, buying enough to get by is another.
Do yourselves a favor and look up Demand-Pull Inflation.
The problem is the folks that are stocking up like it's the end of the world. That's the reason the prices are being driven up, not because the average joe buying enough to practice or shoot with. Once all this settles the supply will be more than the demand and prices will drop, quite possibly below what they were before this hoarding started.....just watch.
Not looking to stock pile. Just want enough to load the ammo i shoot a lot. 4-500 of the ones i need will suit me just fine.
Post by: huntnphool on May 13, 2009, 02:39:16 PM
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Not looking to stock pile. Just want enough to load the ammo i shoot a lot. 4-500 of the ones i need will suit me just fine.
+1
Post by: jackelope on May 13, 2009, 02:45:52 PM
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=128746470
i don't reload so have no concept of price.
Post by: gasman on May 13, 2009, 02:56:10 PM
:yike:
Post by: Bigshooter on May 13, 2009, 04:19:57 PM
Post by: huntnphool on May 13, 2009, 04:29:12 PM
Post by: actionshooter on May 13, 2009, 04:57:21 PM
I think it will be more than while before we see the price of primers come down. CCI is back ordered 2 years right now. So I would assume that most primer producers are back ordered just as long. This will last between 4 and 8 years. Depends on how smart the voters are. So if you don't have enough to shoot for the next 8 years you most likely don't have enough.I know for a fact that most primers are going to factory loaded ammo at the moment b/c they can't keep up with demand. Makes sense, more margin in loaded ammo.
Post by: jackelope on May 13, 2009, 05:01:20 PM
that'll help, but who knows when.
Post by: huntnphool on May 13, 2009, 11:51:05 PM
Post by: HawkenBob on May 14, 2009, 06:15:15 AM
Post by: HawkenBob on May 14, 2009, 06:34:39 AM
Post by: kitsap on May 14, 2009, 07:24:23 AM
Primer Availability
We have had a lot of concerned customers calling to ask about primer availability. Actually, our lines have been flooded with calls regarding the availability of primers as well as the availability of other components. The easiest and quickest way to check on availability is through our new website, whether you plan on phoning an order in, ordering off the web, or using some other means. The following is our view on the current primer situation. Basically, there has been a two-pronged drain on primer supplies for the reloading market.
The first driving force has been the huge demand for loaded ammunition through 2008 and continuing into 2009. The large primer manufacturers like ATK (which would include Federal and CCI), Winchester, and Remington are directing the majority of their primers into loaded ammunition. Ammunition sales are going through the roof as individuals stock up because of political concerns. The huge consumer demand for ammo is in addition to the demand from law enforcement agencies and our military to re-supply their own inventories. I know that smaller ammunition manufacturers have been impacted drastically by the primer shortage since their demands are higher than normal for primers that they have to obtain through Federal, CCI, Winchester, Remington, etc. Many of these smaller manufacturers have had to go to other sources to get quality primers. Because of this situation, some of them cannot keep up with their own ammunition production. Unfortunately, these smaller ammo makers can’t control their own destiny since they don’t have the capacity or tooling to make primers.
I mentioned that there were two factors impacting primer availability; the first factor is creating the second one. Since ammo demand has consumed more of the primer supply than normal, the quantity of primers on the shelf has declined at the box stores, the reloading companies (like Sinclair), and the smaller gun shops. With the fast communication via the internet, the word spreads quickly and the result has been consumers stockpiling and hoarding primers. Individuals are buying and keeping more primers in their own personal inventories and this has prevented some reloaders from having any primers at all. We normally see people buying 1,000 or maybe 5,000 primers at a time, now we are seeing customers buying 25,000 at a time.
The manufacturers are trying to react as best as they can, but their primary driving force is to keep a steady supply of primers going to the ammunition plants because they generate more revenue through this output than they do through the reloading market. A guy from CCI called the other day to order some items from us for his own reloading, and he reported that CCI has been running 24/7 and is still falling behind. They are adding two machines to their line to increase production (I don’t know what percentage gain this will give them). Federal told us a couple of weeks ago to not be surprised if we don’t see many primers from them until the end of 2009.
This is what we know as of today. Our current situation at Sinclair is that we are out of primers but are expecting some Wolf primers of all types sometime in June. We get a few Winchester primers every once and awhile but it might only be 30K to 50K at a time.
Eventually everyone will have enough stockpiled, manufacturers should catch up with ammo runs, and the supply on the shelves will hopefully return. This happened in throughout 1994, just not to this scale.
Best Regards,
Bill
Note: Bill is Bill Gravatt, President of Sinclair International
Post by: actionshooter on May 14, 2009, 12:45:04 PM
Here is some info on primers I just received from Sinclair International via their monthly email of The Reloading Press - May 2009:
Primer Availability
We have had a lot of concerned customers calling to ask about primer availability. Actually, our lines have been flooded with calls regarding the availability of primers as well as the availability of other components. The easiest and quickest way to check on availability is through our new website, whether you plan on phoning an order in, ordering off the web, or using some other means. The following is our view on the current primer situation. Basically, there has been a two-pronged drain on primer supplies for the reloading market.
The first driving force has been the huge demand for loaded ammunition through 2008 and continuing into 2009. The large primer manufacturers like ATK (which would include Federal and CCI), Winchester, and Remington are directing the majority of their primers into loaded ammunition. Ammunition sales are going through the roof as individuals stock up because of political concerns. The huge consumer demand for ammo is in addition to the demand from law enforcement agencies and our military to re-supply their own inventories. I know that smaller ammunition manufacturers have been impacted drastically by the primer shortage since their demands are higher than normal for primers that they have to obtain through Federal, CCI, Winchester, Remington, etc. Many of these smaller manufacturers have had to go to other sources to get quality primers. Because of this situation, some of them cannot keep up with their own ammunition production. Unfortunately, these smaller ammo makers can’t control their own destiny since they don’t have the capacity or tooling to make primers.
I mentioned that there were two factors impacting primer availability; the first factor is creating the second one. Since ammo demand has consumed more of the primer supply than normal, the quantity of primers on the shelf has declined at the box stores, the reloading companies (like Sinclair), and the smaller gun shops. With the fast communication via the internet, the word spreads quickly and the result has been consumers stockpiling and hoarding primers. Individuals are buying and keeping more primers in their own personal inventories and this has prevented some reloaders from having any primers at all. We normally see people buying 1,000 or maybe 5,000 primers at a time, now we are seeing customers buying 25,000 at a time.
The manufacturers are trying to react as best as they can, but their primary driving force is to keep a steady supply of primers going to the ammunition plants because they generate more revenue through this output than they do through the reloading market. A guy from CCI called the other day to order some items from us for his own reloading, and he reported that CCI has been running 24/7 and is still falling behind. They are adding two machines to their line to increase production (I don’t know what percentage gain this will give them). Federal told us a couple of weeks ago to not be surprised if we don’t see many primers from them until the end of 2009.
This is what we know as of today. Our current situation at Sinclair is that we are out of primers but are expecting some Wolf primers of all types sometime in June. We get a few Winchester primers every once and awhile but it might only be 30K to 50K at a time.
Eventually everyone will have enough stockpiled, manufacturers should catch up with ammo runs, and the supply on the shelves will hopefully return. This happened in throughout 1994, just not to this scale.
Best Regards,
Bill
Note: Bill is Bill Gravatt, President of Sinclair International
This is the exact same that I have heard from a buddy who is in the industry, you might find some primers here and there. Primers will not be readily available, and the price will be high until the ammo shelves are stocked and stay that way.
Post by: Huntbear on May 14, 2009, 01:25:10 PM