Post by: Iveexcaped3 on April 28, 2022, 06:35:46 PM
Post by: jrebel on April 28, 2022, 06:44:14 PM
Starline makes great brass. If you not shooting 1000 yards and pushing your brass to the max, starline would be my choice.
Post by: Iveexcaped3 on April 28, 2022, 06:56:41 PM
What caliber? What ranges you looking at shooting?
Starline makes great brass. If you not shooting 1000 yards and pushing your brass to the max, starline would be my choice.
6.5CM, unethical shots at 1000 imo. 500yds max.
Post by: bobcat on April 28, 2022, 07:00:32 PM
Post by: jrebel on April 28, 2022, 07:01:54 PM
Again, starline is great brass.
I shoot my 6.5 to 800....an it is far from unethical. It bangs steel just like any other caliber and the steel never takes a step. :chuckle:
Post by: Iveexcaped3 on April 28, 2022, 07:43:45 PM
Lapua makes the best brass, but it's up to you if you want to spend the money on it. I do feel quality brass is a good investment. Although I have never bought Lapua brass myself. But I think it would be a good idea to start out with the best.
And that’s just it. I don’t mind spending the money on quality as long as the additional cost equals in value. The other aspect is the primer situation. Availability of small rifle vs large can make a difference on the brass select as well. There’s no point in buying starline large rifle if I can’t find primers for it. It’s $70 dead weight.
Is there another mid to top tear brass company that I should look out for?
Post by: h20hunter on April 28, 2022, 07:52:47 PM
Post by: jrebel on April 28, 2022, 08:05:16 PM
next step down would be
Nosler, Starline, Hornady.
Next step down would be
remington, winchester, federal
Most hunters won't see or laod for a significant difference between the top to steps in my humble opinion.
Post by: bobcat on April 28, 2022, 08:26:43 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 28, 2022, 08:51:43 PM
Post by: hogslayer on April 28, 2022, 09:03:18 PM
My brother in law is a brass rat. Picks up anything on the ground to reload at the range. Me, I won't even mix lots of Lapua for the same caliber. It really depends on what you are expecting the rifle to shoot accuracy wise.
Post by: dmoua on April 28, 2022, 09:41:17 PM
Post by: hunter399 on April 29, 2022, 05:04:47 AM
Agree with Karl, But I will throw ADG, and Alpha. Lapua has always been the bench mark for brass. It depends on what kind of accuracy you are after. The amount of reloads depend on how hot you run them. If you can't shoot small groups, or don't have the reloading experience/time to dial the rifle in, you won't know the difference.Thats me ,I'll pick up any useable brass off the ground.
My brother in law is a brass rat. Picks up anything on the ground to reload at the range. Me, I won't even mix lots of Lapua for the same caliber. It really depends on what you are expecting the rifle to shoot accuracy wise.
With that said ,if I'm looking for a little better accurate load,
Sometimes I'll separate by headstamp.
Totally agree the amount of reloads has everything to due with how HOT your loads are.
I've burned brass with two reloads,primer pocket won't even hold the primer. Pressure and the amount of powder your putting in those cases will tell ya how many reloads.
That's the number one reason I throw away brass is blown out primer pocket.
Some of my brass is pretty old,I'll get 5-10 reloads ,no problem. When I need more brass ,normally I would just buy some factory ammo and blast it up on steel target.
Most brass now is the cost as factory ammo or more.
Post by: hunter399 on April 29, 2022, 05:31:22 AM
Never used lapua.
I got maybe 8-10 reloads on some of it.
With primer pockets just now starting to go.
With a max charge right out the reloading book.
In 308 caliber.
Post by: jasnt on April 29, 2022, 06:42:19 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 29, 2022, 06:57:35 AM
Lapua, adg or Peterson. I don’t care how long it lasts. I care about Consistency peace to peace:yeah: coincidentally however you also get more firings with quality brass. My last batch of 200 lapua 6.5x284 brass had an overall weight spread of 1.1 grains. Recent bag of 450pc peterson 28 nosler had an overall spread of 2.7 grains. I did load workup for a guys 300 rum last year and 100 pieces of remington brass had an overall spread of 21 grains. Not 2.1 but 21! Nosler brass is always around that 10 mark. You wanna shrink ES and improve accuracy, buy good brass. Consistency and quality components will solve a lot of guys issues with accuracy :twocents:
Post by: grundy53 on April 29, 2022, 07:42:09 AM
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 29, 2022, 07:53:21 AM
Does anyone have any experience with Gunwerks brass? I loaded up a batch of .300 WM using their brass. Haven't got to shoot them much yet. So I don't have an opinion yet.I seem to remember reading somewhere that ADG puts up gunwerks stamped brass.
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Post by: jrebel on April 29, 2022, 07:53:48 AM
Budweiser may not taste as good as most micro brews....but I'm not throwing it out with the bathwater either. :tup:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 29, 2022, 07:56:42 AM
Post by: grundy53 on April 29, 2022, 07:58:51 AM
That makes sense that it's just branded by an actual brass company.Does anyone have any experience with Gunwerks brass? I loaded up a batch of .300 WM using their brass. Haven't got to shoot them much yet. So I don't have an opinion yet.I seem to remember reading somewhere that ADG puts up gunwerks stamped brass.
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Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 29, 2022, 08:08:47 AM
no clue if its fact or not so take it for what you paid for it which is zero dollars :chuckle:That makes sense that it's just branded by an actual brass company.Does anyone have any experience with Gunwerks brass? I loaded up a batch of .300 WM using their brass. Haven't got to shoot them much yet. So I don't have an opinion yet.I seem to remember reading somewhere that ADG puts up gunwerks stamped brass.
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Post by: b23 on April 29, 2022, 09:44:31 AM
Post by: jasnt on April 29, 2022, 10:06:40 AM
Post by: jasnt on April 29, 2022, 12:25:48 PM
couldn’t agree more. 10 years ago I scoffed at this higher priced brass. Now it dictates what cartridge I choose to shoot. You don’t know what ya don’t know till ya figure it out the hard wayLapua, adg or Peterson. I don’t care how long it lasts. I care about Consistency peace to peace:yeah: coincidentally however you also get more firings with quality brass. My last batch of 200 lapua 6.5x284 brass had an overall weight spread of 1.1 grains. Recent bag of 450pc peterson 28 nosler had an overall spread of 2.7 grains. I did load workup for a guys 300 rum last year and 100 pieces of remington brass had an overall spread of 21 grains. Not 2.1 but 21! Nosler brass is always around that 10 mark. You wanna shrink ES and improve accuracy, buy good brass. Consistency and quality components will solve a lot of guys issues with accuracy :twocents:
Take my 300 wm for example. It’s got 630 rounds through it now. That’s on 50 peace’s of lapua brass with loads on the high end of the spectrum. Primer pockets are holding great with 12 reloads each and some have fired 13 With nosler I typically got 7-8. Winchester was worse. In the end lapua will be cheaper per loading than the nosler was
Post by: Tenkara on April 29, 2022, 01:28:22 PM
Post by: b23 on April 29, 2022, 02:19:42 PM
Not trying to thread jack, but what's everyone's thoughts on Norma brass.
Norma makes good brass. Typically, most brass gets compared to Lapua particularly with regard to its toughness and when I say toughness I refer to Lapua's ability to hold primer pockets longer especially when run hard but that doesn't mean Norma isn't good brass. Because Lapua can take a lot of punishment and still hold tight primer pockets it sometimes causes us to forget Lapua and a few others like it are the exception not the norm. I use Norma in my 7mm Blaser mag, they're the only one that makes it, and I'm pushing 180 Berger's 3100 from a 26in barrel which is no cream puff load but it's also not full tilt redline and I've yet to throw away a piece of brass because the primer pockets weren't tight.
Post by: Tenkara on April 29, 2022, 02:55:33 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on April 29, 2022, 03:26:41 PM
Not trying to thread jack, but what's everyone's thoughts on Norma brass.I've used a ton of 300wsm norma brass (3 barrels worth). Its gets kind of a bad wrap for being soft but ive had very good luck with it in wsm and creedmoor. I got a smoking deal on 250 pieces of prime stamped norma CM and its been great. Just loaded all of them last night for the 11th time and still showing no loss of life. For the quality it is way over priced (not as bad as nosler) but if found on sale or your only brass option I say snag it up.
Post by: Tenkara on April 29, 2022, 04:08:27 PM
Post by: Iveexcaped3 on April 29, 2022, 08:39:53 PM