Post by: mcrawfordaf on May 02, 2022, 03:01:11 PM
How is this any different than Coyote derbies? I'm all for the carp tournament, don't get me wrong, it's just very frustrating to see a lack of consistency in WDFW regulating populations seen to hurt the environment and native species populations (to be expected at this point I suppose).
Post by: Stein on May 02, 2022, 03:15:10 PM
Carp shouldn't be there, but the non-native trout that were grown in a factory have protection to make sure they are always there in large numbers. Seems kind of random to a guy without a degree in biology.
Post by: cem3434 on May 04, 2022, 09:42:08 PM
Post by: Cougartail on May 05, 2022, 05:25:26 AM
Only policies that result in vote gains or no loss are acceptable. :twocents:
..and when Bobby is done honking every fruitcakes horn he'll give a legal opinion to cover for their brown noses. :chuckle:
Post by: Special T on May 05, 2022, 07:36:10 AM
Even many solid Sportsmen votes failed us on this one. But 2 held strong. The one comissioner that has surprised me the most is Kim Thorburn. She isn't a hunter yet voted to keep coyote derbies.
Post by: highcountry_hunter on May 05, 2022, 08:47:08 AM
Post by: bearpaw on May 05, 2022, 09:55:47 AM
Carp don't have that luxury!
Post by: GOcougsHunter on May 05, 2022, 10:14:00 AM
Post by: Special T on May 05, 2022, 10:26:12 AM
Just a point of clarification. Anti Hunters are not all liberal. I personally know quite a few conservative folks in my community who have no problem with limiting hunting in this state. There are many conservative folks living in our state who are just as misinformed as their liberal brethren. Just sayin... :twocents:
This is true about the absolute you state. A large correlation/overlap however follows party lines. I personally believe it has to do with Rural vs Urban and the experiences folks have. A big difference in Need and Desire exist between urban areas and rural ones.
Post by: GOcougsHunter on May 05, 2022, 11:12:52 AM
Generally agree with this statement, but I absolutely know a number of folks who live in rural areas who are not keen to hunting and hunters, in general. A wheat farmer I worked for back in college had to convince his wife that my pheasant hunting their stubble in the fall was so that a starving college kid could put meat on the table. She needed to be convinced that hunting was ok, but only in my case. I also have close friends who have acreage in the Kittitas valley who love their resident band of elk and occasional bear. I stopped asking many years ago to help do some "hazing" :chuckle:
Post by: MeepDog on May 05, 2022, 11:30:57 AM
Carp are a non-native invasive species whereas coyotes are not. :dunno:Exactly. If coyotes were introduced from Europe or something it would be a closer comparison. There needs to be more awareness about which species are invasive. I think we need more derby's like this in critical spawning habitat for salmon. Bounty on all non natives.
Post by: mcrawfordaf on May 05, 2022, 11:46:13 AM
Carp are a non-native invasive species whereas coyotes are not. :dunno:Exactly. If coyotes were introduced from Europe or something it would be a closer comparison. There needs to be more awareness about which species are invasive. I think we need more derby's like this in critical spawning habitat for salmon. Bounty on all non natives.
Ok, rainbow trout derbies with no bag limits?
Pheasant derbies with no bag limits?
Hun derbies with no bag limits?
All non-natives.
Invasive or not - WDFW commissioners don't seem care. They seem to only care about making their anti-org friends happy.
"Wildlife killing contests do not reflect traditional hunting values, science or humane treatment of wildlife. All animals deserve to be treated with respect and indiscriminate killing of wildlife for prizes has no place in today’s wildlife conservation ethic.” - Leader of one such org who brought this to the commission.
Post by: Stein on May 05, 2022, 12:33:04 PM
Carp are a non-native invasive species whereas coyotes are not. :dunno:Exactly. If coyotes were introduced from Europe or something it would be a closer comparison. There needs to be more awareness about which species are invasive. I think we need more derby's like this in critical spawning habitat for salmon. Bounty on all non natives.
Ok, rainbow trout derbies with no bag limits?
Pheasant derbies with no bag limits?
Hun derbies with no bag limits?
All non-natives.
Invasive or not - WDFW commissioners don't seem care. They seem to only care about making their anti-org friends happy.
"Wildlife killing contests do not reflect traditional hunting values, science or humane treatment of wildlife. All animals deserve to be treated with respect and indiscriminate killing of wildlife for prizes has no place in today’s wildlife conservation ethic.” - Leader of one such org who brought this to the commission.
:yeah:
There isn't an organization that gives a rip about carp, has nothing to do with anything other than nobody cares.
Post by: Special T on May 05, 2022, 12:50:34 PM
She was one of 2 comissioners that voted to keep the derbies and she isn't a hunter! I belive her experience came from the Autobahn Society and he interest in Pigmy rabbits. She appears to understand what others do not. Controlling predators helps alliance of species not just huntable ones.
Yes exceptions to the rural vs urban viewpoint exist, but an exception to the rule doesn't mean generalities are not true.