Hunting Washington Forum
Big Game Hunting => Wolves => Topic started by: Ridgeratt on May 26, 2022, 05:06:50 PM
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/wa-investigating-4-dead-wolves-found-in-stevens-county/ar-AAXLSMS?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e513ad1d42f44736aa376d8d99e0a3bc
WA investigating 4 dead wolves found in Stevens County
SPOKANE, Wash. (AP) — A poaching investigation has been launched after two Stevens County deputies stumbled upon four dead wolves in northeast Washington while on snowmobile patrol near the Canadian border on Feb. 8, the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife said.
Some environmental groups contend the animals were poisoned, although they haven’t offered any evidence to support that allegation.
The Spokesman-Review reported Thursday the wolves were in the territory of the Wedge Pack.
"The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife is aware of and actively investigating dead wolves found in Stevens County,” said agency wolf coordinator Julia Smith in a statement. “Because this incident is under active investigation by law enforcement, no further information is being provided at this time.”
Rumors of the deaths have been swirling in eastern Washington for months. On Wednesday, the Kettle Range Conservation Group issued a statement claiming the wolves were poisoned.
The Wedge Pack has been exterminated twice for preying on cattle, but new packs keep forming in the remote area. In 2012, WDFW killed all members of the pack following repeated attacks on livestock from the Diamond M Ranch. Wolves repopulated the area in subsequent years. In 2020, WDFW again killed all members of the pack following livestock attacks. As of last December, WDFW estimated there were 9 wolves in the pack.
Wolves were exterminated in Washington early in the last century. Since wolves naturally returned to the state in 2008, there have been numerous conflicts with ranchers.
There were a minimum of 206 wolves and 33 packs in Washington state in 2021, according to an annual survey conducted by state and tribal biologists.
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I've heard somewhere there is a season on them north of the 49th
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“Naturally returned” :chuckle:
Sad day......w/sarcasm
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Great to hear!!!!
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:mgun:
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I've heard somewhere there is a season on them north of the 49th
British Columbia Regulations
https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/sports-culture/recreation/fishing-hunting/hunting/regulations-synopsis#synopsis
Highlight unit 8 area.
Unit 8-1 to 8-15 open season with a 3 wolf bag limit.
WOLF 8-1 to 8-15, 8-21 to 8-26 Apr 1 - June 15
Sept 10 – Mar 31 3
Depending on how close to the border and the use of sleds perhaps our Canadian friends jumped the line.
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This is a non issue... They also never fully exterminated the pack in the Wedge. I know one of the trigger hands and they let a female go and she had a collar. They didn't wanna shoot all of them cuz then they couldn't track them if there was any left they didn't know about. So much BS comes from WDFW that he quit during the COVID vax issue.
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Since when does Stevens County deputies do snowmobile patrols in the wedge? There's no snowmobile areas in the wedge, none that use a groomer or requre a snow park pass.
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Since when does Stevens County deputies do snowmobile patrols in the wedge? There's no snowmobile areas in the wedge, none that use a groomer or requre a snow park pass.
I was also wondering that. And I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a Stevens county sheriffs pickup pulling a snowmobile trailer.
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Maybe they buddied up with the Border Patrol. :dunno: They were riding behind the border patrol on their sleds. Hugging the drivers waist.
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Since when does Stevens County deputies do snowmobile patrols in the wedge? There's no snowmobile areas in the wedge, none that use a groomer or requre a snow park pass.
I was also wondering that. And I don’t believe I’ve ever seen a Stevens county sheriffs pickup pulling a snowmobile trailer.
Maybe they buddied up with the Border Patrol. :dunno: They were riding behind the border patrol on their sleds. Hugging the drivers waist.
Wasn't there a movie about this a few years ago? Two boys in cowboy hats hugging each other?
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Maybe they buddied up with the Border Patrol. :dunno: They were riding behind the border patrol on their sleds. Hugging the drivers waist.
I suspect they got a tip from someone, Jeff Flood would prolly have a sled or two
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That nwsportsmag had a much more detailed report if you wanna check it out.
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More Details On NE WA Wolf Death Investigation: 4 Found In Feb.
By Andy Walgamott May 26, 2022 HEADLINES 0 Comments
More details are beginning to emerge about wolves found dead in Northeast Washington, the subject of an ongoing state investigation, but the information conduits will also raise eyebrows.
Washington Wildlife First claims that WDFW has been “dodging questions” about wolf poaching in the state and “sometimes outright lying to the public” in a press release following yesterday’s news about the case, first reported here.
THE FOUR DEAD WOLVES WERE FOUND IN THE KELLY HILL GAME MANAGEMENT UNIT, ALSO KNOWN AS “THE WEDGE.” (WDFW)
The Seattle-based preservationist nonprofit – which has launched a reform campaign against WDFW, got the Governor’s Office to appoint friendly-to-its-viewpoint Fish and Wildlife Commissioners and attacked the agency in other ways – also posted an incident report from the Stevens County Sheriff’s Report that appears to document four dead wolves found during an Operation Stonegarden border patrol along Forest Service roads in the far north end of the county on Friday, February 18.
The eight-page report includes images of one gray- and three black-coated wolves lying atop snow in the Wedge, that triangular – and troublesome – piece of rugged, forested land between the Kettle and Columbia Rivers and Canadian border.
Officers estimated the first wolf they found had been there “for over three weeks,” and the other three, discovered on their ride back, appeared to be “more recent (guessing less than 2 weeks).”
“Officer Stearns and I at first thought maybe Fish & Wildlife had done a helicopter hunt to thin the numbers but there was no blood we could see or bullet holes … There were no new snowmobile tracks to indicate recent travel,” stated Deputy Henry Stroisch.
Stearns’ images show that hair had been plucked from the hides of three of the animals, presumably by scavengers, but apparently not the fourth. None of the photos appear to show blood in the snow. Midwinter was marked by an extended dry streak.
In a story posted late this morning, Eli Franovich of the Spokane Spokesman-Review reports that the Kettle Range Conservation Group of Republic claims the animals had been “poisoned,” but that a KRCG spokesman could not provide more details about the allegation “without implicating somebody.”
Eight wolves were poisoned in Northeast Oregon last year – including five in one group last February, an incident publicly revealed a month and a half later.
In their report, Stevens County deputies also write that upon returning to the office they informed Sheriff Brad Manke, who “contacted F&W to advised (sic) them and gave approximate locations” of the wolves, as well as passed along the cell phone number of one of the reporting officers, though it apparently wasn’t called by WDFW, according to the report, which is dated May 4, 2022.
Washington Wildlife First’s press release includes a quote from its executive director, Samantha Bruegger, who states, “The Department should be honest with the Washington public about what is happening to wolves in our state. The Department has been dodging questions on poaching for months, and sometimes lying outright to the public. The Department continually asks the members of the public to ‘trust’ it, but how can we trust an agency that has been so consistently dishonest with us?”
Hardcore wolf advocates frequently attempt to frame the Canis lupus population as frail, imperiled and in need of federal rather than state management, and this organization has also been trying to portray WDFW’s wolf and livestock conflict management as seriously inadequate, calling the agency “bought and paid for by special interests.”
The claims have been pushed back on by both WDFW wolf policy lead Julia Smith in presentations and heartfelt public comments and in a recent post by Conservation Northwest – far more pragmatic wolf advocates than WWF – that found from 2017 through 2021 Washington wolves had the lowest rate of human-caused mortality out of the five Northwest states where the species is either fully or partially federally delisted. CNW called Washington “the best place to live if you are a wolf in the western United States.”
The Fish and Wildlife Commission is currently in the middle of a debate about whether to pass binding, enforceable protocols around dealing with wolf-livestock conflicts, including lethal removals. During a May 13 meeting on the subject, Commissioner Melanie Rowland, a former federal attorney who appeared chummy with Bruegger at a recent commission retreat, tried to tie Stevens County wolf poaching rumors directly to the day’s discussion in pushing for court-litigable rules.
When Rowland was politely asked by Vice Chair Molly Linville, a Douglas County rancher who was running the meeting, if she could get with WDFW staff afterwards to answer that and other questions she had, Rowland flat out refused and a firm Linville was forced to move things along, noting that while Rowland’s statements were meaty they were also outside the scope of the day’s discussion and that at that point the citizen panel was already short on time. (A 10-year recreation plan initially on the agenda was scrubbed for a later date.) Linville reiterated soon afterwards that Rowland’s questions would be addressed outside of the commission with staff.
And during WDFW’s April 9 annual wolf count briefing, which presented continued good news for the state’s population, which grew by 16 percent and topped 200 for the first time, Commissioner Lorna Smith brought up “pretty persistent growing rumors about a fairly large-scale poaching operation” and numbers of dead wolves that were “a lot larger” than in the agency report in front of her. However, state wolf biologist Ben Maletzke pointed out that they were speaking specifically about 2021’s numbers, which only show two illegal kills, and he urged anyone with information on poaching to get in touch with agency officers.
WDFW’s monthly wolf reports for 2022 have listed only one known mortality this year, a 13-year-old Pend Oreille County female that died in late March of “natural causes.” But raising the Stevens County Sheriff’s Office report of the four found in February, Washington Wildlife First said in its press release WDFW has been “falsely claiming” to not know of any others.
Asked to respond to WWF’s allegations of “dodging questions” and “lying to the public,” Staci Lehman, a WDFW spokeswoman in Spokane this afternoon, stated, “Often, in order to avoid jeopardizing an active investigation, information is not released in order to prevent evidence destruction, protect officer safety, and ensure a case isn’t compromised. We want to collect enough information such that a solid case can be referred to a prosecutor. Without sufficient evidence, a conviction cannot be made.”
That makes Washington Wildlife First’s posting of the sheriff’s papers – not to mention Smith’s and Rowland’s public comments earlier this spring – potentially counterproductive and raises questions about their motivations.
As it stands, many things remain unclear in this case – are we sure the four dead wolves are even Washington animals or were actually killed in Stevens County and not, say, in Idaho and dumped?
What is crystal clear is that where the bodies were found is the absolute white-hottest point of the wolf front in the Evergreen State.
Over the last decade, Wedge Pack wolves have been associated with chronic depredations of a nearby ranch’s cattle, the near-full lethal removal of the pack by state sharpshooters, pack reformations due to the area’s excellent habitat and available prey, subsequent removals, wolf advocates’ campaign and threats against said producer, and a former Washington State University professor’s inflammatory statements about where the operation allegedly turned out its cattle.
WDFW’s 2021 wolf report states there were nine members in the Wedge Pack as of last December 31, with another having been poached last May. That animal was believed to have been the breeding female, but the pack’s numbers at the end of last year would suggest its loss wasn’t as catastrophic as initially feared by some.
That’s not to excuse poaching. The illegal killing of a wolf, a state endangered species, is punishable by penalties of $5,000 and/or a year in prison. WDFW asks anyone with information about the death or harassment of wolves to call the Enforcement Division hotline (877-933-9847).
The Wedge wolves weren’t involved in any confirmed depredations last year either, according to WDFW, though State Rep. Joel Kretz (R-Bodie Mountain) alleged that Northeast Washington ranchers aren’t reporting all attacks because they’ve “lost trust in the process.”
Earlier this week, WDFW mulled going lethal on the Togo Pack – to the west of the Wedge – after four confirmed and one probable calf depredations in 10 months, more than needed in the time span to consider taking out a wolf or two to head off further attacks, but Director Kelly Susewind “decided not to initiate lethal removal at this time.”
The agency said the rancher “has been in regular communication with WDFW staff, conducted carcass sanitation, removed sick or injured livestock when found, and has reported any suspected depredations,” as well as has checked on their cattle multiple times a day and will continue to regularly monitor them after turnout onto summer pastures soon.
Other nonlethal actions will be taken and encouraged.
Meanwhile, there’s a mystery around the lethal actions taken on four wolves.
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"There were a minimum of 206 wolves and 33 packs in Washington state in 2021, according to an annual survey conducted by state and tribal biologists."
Wonder who's doing he counting
Wolves killed a sheep, south of Twisp last week.
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All I can say is ......
I'm really not shocked or surprised.
I do love how so many people have an opinion of what stevens county should or shouldn't have.
With a majority of pro wolf people have not stepped a foot in this county.
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All I can say is ......
I'm really not shocked or surprised.
I do love how so many people have an opinion of what stevens county should or shouldn't have.
With a majority of pro wolf people have not stepped a foot in this county.
Oh Canada! Our hom....................... Help us out whenever you can, eh
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Just read some of the comments about the current game commissioners. Must be status quo for their next rulings.
And during WDFW’s April 9 annual wolf count briefing, which presented continued good news for the state’s population, which grew by 16 percent and topped 200 for the first time, Commissioner Lorna Smith brought up “pretty persistent growing rumors about a fairly large-scale poaching operation” and numbers of dead wolves that were “a lot larger” than in the agency report in front of her. However, state wolf biologist Ben Maletzke pointed out that they were speaking specifically about 2021’s numbers, which only show two illegal kills, and he urged anyone with information on poaching to get in touch with agency officers.
The Fish and Wildlife Commission is currently in the middle of a debate about whether to pass binding, enforceable protocols around dealing with wolf-livestock conflicts, including lethal removals. During a May 13 meeting on the subject, Commissioner Melanie Rowland, a former federal attorney who appeared chummy with Bruegger at a recent commission retreat, tried to tie Stevens County wolf poaching rumors directly to the day’s discussion in pushing for court-litigable rules.
You would hope the commission would not rely on Rumors or Hearsay. Just look at the sound judgements they made on the Spring bear season. :tup:
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With wolves being such a ‘hotbed’ issue, WDFW has ‘generally’ keeps their cards pretty close. When I called to report a sighting in EWa many years ago the first person I spoke with was adamant there were no wolves there.
I made other calls and got a call back by the person that ‘knew what was going on’ that was tickled I could give him details of when and where as he knew of other sightings in the area.
Not putting everything ‘out there’ keeps the ‘pestering’ by various groups down.
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As often as wdfw outright lies, how can anyone possibly trust/believe anything they say. Sheriffs found them, ya right. So much public deceit comes out of that agency, which by the way is an extension of the government, that a lot of people up here naturally dont believe any of it. No trustworthy agencies anywhere anymore. Sure, some trustworthy individuals here and there employed by different agencies, but top to bottom they are about deceit. They establish a reply to any questions they think may be asked beforehand.
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Hank is a good dude
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You have to wonder why WDFW hasn't done dna to prove where those wolves are from? I can't help wondering if wolf groups dumped them there to cause trouble with the local ranchers and support their viewpoint?
I get the impression the wolves were found along a road that was snowmobiled, why would four wolves all die along a road?
This is not passing the smell test!
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Excellent questions Bearpaw
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Ya like someone wanted them found eventually, as in after the evidence has had time to degrade.
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Years ago, 2 wolves were in the Tum Tum area. One was killed by a car and the dept said they were a hybrid. They later retracted their story when it was discovered the dead wolf was from a Idaho pack and had been chipped.
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Years ago, 2 wolves were in the Tum Tum area. One was killed by a car and the dept said they were a hybrid. They later retracted their story when it was discovered the dead wolf was from a Idaho pack and had been chipped.
Never did hear any info on that wolf hit north of colville last year.
Young,old,what pack it came from.
It's hard for me to believe wolf numbers ,when you see roadkill wolves.
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$30,000 reward offered for info on Washington wolf killings
May 27, 2022 Updated 4 hrs ago
From The Center for Biological Diversity:
SEATTLE— Conservation and animal-protection groups announced a combined $30,000 reward today for information leading to a conviction in the illegal killing of four wolves in northeastern Washington earlier this year.
Deputies from the Stevens County Sheriff’s Office discovered four dead wolves on Feb. 18, while on a snowmobile patrol. An incident report indicates that the deputies reported the deaths immediately to the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife but didn’t hear back from the agency. Department staff stated for the first time this week that they are actively investigating dead wolves in Stevens County but have not provided further details.
The report did not find any evidence of bullet holes or physical trauma to the wolves, which suggests their deaths may have been the result of poisoning.
“This is devastating news for Washington’s wolves, and each senseless killing must be fully investigated,” said Sophia Ressler, an attorney at the Center for Biological Diversity. “If poachers are allowed to get off scot-free, it only encourages them to kill again. Fish and Wildlife must follow through and bring the perpetrators to justice.”
“The Department has chosen to paint a glowing picture of wolf recovery in Washington, rather than be honest with the public about this tragedy,” said Samantha Bruegger executive director of Washington Wildlife First. “The public, and the wolves, deserve better. We call on the Department to be open with the public about the extent of the illegal killing of wolves in the state, and we ask the public to provide whatever information they can to aid in this investigation.”
“If this is in fact a poisoning situation, putting poison out on the landscape for any unsuspecting creature to feed on is one of the most loathsome things a person can do,” said Brooks Fahy, executive director of Predator Defense, a national nonprofit advocacy group. “It’s not just about killing wolves. It’s also about wanting them to suffer. Poisons also pose a serious threat to other wildlife and pets and are a public safety risk.”
“WDFW likes to boast widely about their successful wolf recovery efforts, while continuously hiding key information from the public about the detriment to wolves,” said Steph Taylor, president of Speak for Wolves. “Washington has a poaching problem and wildlife managers need to be more responsible when it comes to promoting education about co-existence with native endangered species. They also need to step up their game in holding these disturbed poachers accountable. Otherwise, this shoot, shovel, shut up culture will continue to thrive.”
“For the last few years, the Northwest Animal Rights Network (NARN) has been critical of wolf recovery efforts in Washington because these efforts have been wrought with politics every step of the way,” says Rachel Bjork, NARN's president. “The fact that we are just now hearing about these wolf deaths months later, and not directly from WDFW, leads us to believe that the department has no real interest in accountability to the public.”
"We are disgusted by this illegal wolf slaughter and disappointed in the way the Department has handled it," said Jocelyn Leroux, Washington and Montana director with Western Watersheds Project. "Washington's wolves deserve better treatment and the people of Washington deserve transparency.”
The $30,000 reward is being offered by the Center for Biological Diversity, Defenders of Wildlife, Northwest Animal Rights Network, Predator Defense, Speak for Wolves, Washington Wildlife First, and Western Watersheds Project.
Anyone who might have information regarding the incident should call the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife at (360) 902-2928, visit the department’s website and report a violation, or text WDFWTIP to 847411.
https://www.khq.com/news/30-000-reward-offered-for-info-on-washington-wolf-killings/article_645c1b2a-ddf6-11ec-a129-cf1ce19c4e69.html#user-comment-area
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Maybe they are just in a highly catatonic state from too much melatonin after eating tons of beef liver and will come out of it if you wave some burger in front of their noses! :dunno:
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Suicide?
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Questions.
1 Do you think 30K is enough cash to make some one snitch?
2 Do you think those groups would actually pay up?
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Since when does Stevens County deputies do snowmobile patrols in the wedge? There's no snowmobile areas in the wedge, none that use a groomer or requre a snow park pass.
They bought two Polaris Titans this winter and are using an enclosed trailer. My guess is that they were out "training", in other words, learning how to ride.
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Since when does Stevens County deputies do snowmobile patrols in the wedge? There's no snowmobile areas in the wedge, none that use a groomer or requre a snow park pass.
They bought two Polaris Titans this winter and are using an enclosed trailer. My guess is that they were out "training", in other words, learning how to ride.
Oh cool, tell em to invite me next time :chuckle:
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For how truthful they are about much I’d say Covid or global warming got em and have a better chance of being right.
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$30k, what a joke.
Wolves have caused more than $30k worth of decline to my families investment over the years.
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Since when does Stevens County deputies do snowmobile patrols in the wedge? There's no snowmobile areas in the wedge, none that use a groomer or requre a snow park pass.
They bought two Polaris Titans this winter and are using an enclosed trailer. My guess is that they were out "training", in other words, learning how to ride.
Actually they were out with the Border Patrol, they ride quite frequently to cut costs on patrolling.
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How about they take their blood money and house some of their homeless in their cities with it? :yike: Woke bastiges.
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Pretty interesting that even the wolf folks are not happy with the WDFW on the lack of transparency.
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This is so very sad. :'( :'( :'( Oh well.
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My hunting buddy and I were having a discussion about this during late buck. He asked a pertinent question. Since there is speculation about being poisoned by who knows what. When were the corpse found was there ever a kill site located that the animals could have feed off of? Since this happened close to the border and Canada is so restrictive on gun rights. Perhaps this was someone living across the border who was unable to possess a weapon and lost some livestock. Took matters into their hands the only way they could. The wolves made it across the line to the US. I know that when I am very close to the line I can see residences on the other side. :dunno: