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Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: Wolfdog2314 on June 16, 2022, 06:50:25 PM

Title: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on June 16, 2022, 06:50:25 PM: I’ll be receiving my 300wsm Tikka carbon killer from HCA next week and will begin load development. It’s throated for 215 Berger Hybrids, but haven’t been able to get my hands on any since the build started in November. Will also be suppressed, soon as I’m approved, been 11 months :bash: It has a 24 inch carbon barrel.

What I’d like to roll with for now is:
4831SC and RL23 set aside for this.
ADG brass
CCI 250’s
205 Berger elite hunters (recommended by HCA over the 200.20x hybrids which I do have a box of also)

Anyone do a work up with this combo? I know there’s a few carbon killer HCAs around here.

I’ll be reaching out to Berger for load data too.

Thanks!
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: hogslayer on June 16, 2022, 07:27:27 PM: You will have a case full of RL23 for the 205’s. 65-66.5 is where you will find accuracy. About the same for H4831sc. 25 off for the 205’s. And about 40 for the 200.20x. The 200.20x will get you more speed (50 fps or so) than the 205’s. But if your cut for the 215’s the 205’s would fit better.
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: Jonathan_S on June 16, 2022, 07:56:32 PM: Just pick whichever powder and bullet and run it up. "Development" on a quality rifle like that with Bergers will be very short.
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: Sakko300wsm on June 16, 2022, 08:05:31 PM: why Berger??
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: Jonathan_S on June 16, 2022, 08:29:05 PM: Quote from: Sakko300wsm on June 16, 2022, 08:05:31 PM
why Berger??

Aside from all the positives to handloading Bergers and hunting with them, it sounds like that's what he has.
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on June 16, 2022, 08:55:25 PM: I believe every bullet has someone with a horror story about it. Each bullet has their pros and cons. I’ve shot accubonds and loved them. Eld X and loved them. Core Lokts too. HCA reccomended the 215 hybrids in this build. Since I can’t get them right now I figured I’d stay in the family. I have multiple buddies who swear by them and have had great results. I just started shooting the 156 elite hunters out of my 6.5 prc with great accuracy.

I’m semi new to hand loading, which is why I’m reaching out, so I appreciate the responses!
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 16, 2022, 09:01:57 PM: You don't have to justify your choices to anyone man. Theres always that one guy...

I've burned about 40lb of h4831sc in Mike's wsm barrels. I also had to pop smoke on the 215's and landed on the 200.20x's and they shoot amazing. I'm sure accuracy will come easy with the 205's.
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: b23 on June 16, 2022, 09:27:19 PM: I think the 200.20X has the same profile but with slightly shorter nose, bearing surface, and tail then their 215's. With the success of the 215's if I couldn't get those a lighter version in their 200.20X would be my next choice.
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: opdinkslayer on June 17, 2022, 06:41:58 AM: 200.2x’s are pretty hard to find in stock right now as well since Karl started using them :chuckle: Good luck finding some bullets and building a load. Mike’s rifles shoot really well. :tup:
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: Sakko300wsm on June 17, 2022, 07:15:33 AM: Quote from: Jonathan_S on June 16, 2022, 08:29:05 PM
Quote from: Sakko300wsm on June 16, 2022, 08:05:31 PM
why Berger??

Aside from all the positives to handloading Bergers and hunting with them, it sounds like that's what he has.

Gotcha - was just curious , have never shot Berger’s so did not know what the pros were
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on June 17, 2022, 08:26:04 AM: Thanks all. I’ve got 300 200.2 and can get more of the 205s

Any debate on the 200.2 hybrid VS the 205 elite hunter? As it pertains to killing an animal? I’ve done all the online research and most opinions seem split.
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: jasnt on June 17, 2022, 10:05:01 AM: Quote from: Wolfdog2314 on June 17, 2022, 08:26:04 AM
Thanks all. I’ve got 300 200.2 and can get more of the 205s

Any debate on the 200.2 hybrid VS the 205 elite hunter? As it pertains to killing an animal? I’ve done all the online research and most opinions seem split.
they both work well. Let your rifle or availability choose
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: Jonathan_S on June 17, 2022, 09:50:19 PM: Quote from: Wolfdog2314 on June 17, 2022, 08:26:04 AM
Thanks all. I’ve got 300 200.2 and can get more of the 205s

Any debate on the 200.2 hybrid VS the 205 elite hunter? As it pertains to killing an animal? I’ve done all the online research and most opinions seem split.

You'll be happy. 30 cal Bergers don't catch and release!
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: hogslayer on June 18, 2022, 07:39:29 AM: Karl can attest to this as he has a barrel cut with the same reamer. But the 200.20x is about 1/4 of the way down the neck. The 205 has much more bearing surface and will “fit” better for that specific chamber. Either one will kill just fine and be an accurate bullet. I have noticed that bullets with more bearing surface tune in easier than long nose, short bearing surface bullets. I have shot a box of the 205’s when they first came out. They were accurate without much messing around. I would give the 205’s a run first. If you have RL23, I would use that over H4831sc. With a 24” barrel accuracy should come in 2850-2900
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: Magnum_Willys on June 18, 2022, 07:49:12 AM: Just for reference, Current 1000 Yd World Record: Norma .300 WSM brass, Alliant Reloder 23 powder, Federal 210M primers, Berger 220gr LR Hybrid bullets at 2800 FPS. 10 shots inside 3” circle.
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on June 18, 2022, 12:47:08 PM: Awesome, thanks for all of the information. I think I’ve got a good starting point!
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
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Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: zwickeyman on June 20, 2022, 09:11:22 PM: SEXY!!
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: OltHunter on June 20, 2022, 09:58:42 PM: Awesome looking gun! I just got that exact stock too for a build I'm putting together. Curious if it was bedded and how far it was bedded past the recoil lug? And what torque specs on the action screws are you running?
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: Wolfdog2314 on June 22, 2022, 11:42:12 AM: Quote from: OltHunter on June 20, 2022, 09:58:42 PM
Awesome looking gun! I just got that exact stock too for a build I'm putting together. Curious if it was bedded and how far it was bedded past the recoil lug? And what torque specs on the action screws are you running?

Thanks! Wish I could help ya, Mike and Hells Canyon Armory did the build for me.
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 22, 2022, 11:48:53 AM: Its bedded to the recoil lug.
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: Mtnwalker on June 22, 2022, 12:16:19 PM: Quote from: Wolfdog2314 on June 22, 2022, 11:42:12 AM
Quote from: OltHunter on June 20, 2022, 09:58:42 PM
Awesome looking gun! I just got that exact stock too for a build I'm putting together. Curious if it was bedded and how far it was bedded past the recoil lug? And what torque specs on the action screws are you running?

Thanks! Wish I could help ya, Mike and Hells Canyon Armory did the build for me.

Does mike do the lug conversion on these builds? I've been tinkering with a Mesa Precision lately on one of my guns, before and after bedding I was hanging out right around 1moa which is considerably worse than the factory stock was doing. I did the superglue method and bedded to the lug but not in front of, after some dremel work on the sides of the lug and cleanup of the lug itself (hindsight I wouldn't use the Mesa lug again, they're not very true and kind of soft) and 50 in/lbs font 45 rear she was back to shooting .3's this morn.
Title: Re: 300wsm Berger Load Data
Post by: Karl Blanchard on June 22, 2022, 12:28:44 PM: He'll do most anything a guy could want to do to a tikka. Action screw torque is often the culprit to accuracy issues. Pretty easy thing to test too if you have a load with known accuracy. Just take your wrench to the range and plug some groups with different poundages or torque sequence.