Post by: aorams on June 25, 2022, 05:47:58 PM
Thanks!
Post by: Fidelk on June 25, 2022, 07:44:13 PM
Post by: Alchase on June 25, 2022, 07:49:58 PM
Not sure if this is in the right forum but I’m looking for a rifle shooting course/class that would make me a better rifle shooter when elk hunting. I’ve checked on google but it’s hard to vet stuff like this online before spending the money. Does anyone here have any recommendations?
Thanks!
I can’t answer your question about a rifle class, but I can say practicing offhand shooting will definitely help.
Get out and shoot your rifle, a lot. Learn your rifle.
Post by: Fidelk on June 25, 2022, 07:52:52 PM
Post by: buckfvr on June 25, 2022, 07:58:48 PM
Post by: aorams on June 25, 2022, 09:04:09 PM
https://www.gunwerks.com/event/l102-marksmanship-fundamentals-2022-07-11-training-headquarters-408/register
But local.
I’ve been shooting rifles since I was a kid and get a decent amount of practice in the field and at the range (where I am a member), but I was taught how to shoot by my dad and grandpa, and now I’m interested in something more formal/technical.
Post by: Alchase on June 25, 2022, 09:45:58 PM
If you are talking about CQB, or extreme long range, it would get technical. But elk hunting?
Learn how to shoot your rifle proficiently.
The picture you are presenting, does not make much sense?
Are you hunting or are you asking for something different :dunno:
Post by: Caseknife on June 26, 2022, 06:45:18 AM
Post by: aorams on June 26, 2022, 08:16:22 AM
Something more “Technical” for elk hunting? :dunno:
If you are talking about CQB, or extreme long range, it would get technical. But elk hunting?
Learn how to shoot your rifle proficiently.
The picture you are presenting, does not make much sense?
Are you hunting or are you asking for something different :dunno:
Hmm. I'm not sure how much more clarity I can offer... I want to learn to shoot my rifle better, from people who know a lot about it, for the purposes of becoming a better elk hunter. Something like a class in the link I posted above, but closer to home.
Post by: Fidelk on June 26, 2022, 08:46:40 AM
Post by: hunter399 on June 26, 2022, 09:30:25 AM
All shots standing ,no rest.
Go to 100 yards shoot a paper plate,hit it .
Move back 200 yard,hit it,
300 yard ,hit it.
You get the idea.
When you miss ,that's your range,and where you need to practice.
Just my :twocents:
Post by: 87Ford on June 26, 2022, 09:45:38 AM
https://www.nontypicaloutfitters.com/shooting-school-write-up
Post by: buckfvr on June 26, 2022, 09:51:16 AM
Im guessing off hand is the weakest position for the majority of hunters and Ive read surveys that indicate the compromised position is the most oft used position by hunters, meaning they take advantage of what they can, stumps, rocks, branches, etc.
If you have already satisfactorily dialed in your rifle from prone or bench, then if youre a paper plate type of guy, go for it. Im not. Never have bought into the paper plate pie pan bs in my whole life. :twocents:
Post by: aorams on June 26, 2022, 11:29:11 AM
Maybe you're looking for something like this?
https://www.nontypicaloutfitters.com/shooting-school-write-up
Exactly! But local
Post by: Ridgerunner on June 26, 2022, 12:28:52 PM
Post by: aorams on June 26, 2022, 12:59:15 PM
SHOT IQ if you want to understand the psychology of how we shoot and how to master it. I had a few days hands on with him last week and it was amazing. His techniques work very well.
Thank you!
Post by: grimace on June 26, 2022, 01:31:41 PM
Post by: dreadi on June 26, 2022, 02:43:59 PM
Post by: Alchase on June 26, 2022, 04:45:50 PM
So, if you can off hand 100 yards but miss at 200, your limit is 100 ?? :o What is your limit as I doubt many guys can make a 300 yard off hand shot there for limiting themselves to 200 yards by your method?
Im guessing off hand is the weakest position for the majority of hunters and Ive read surveys that indicate the compromised position is the most oft used position by hunters, meaning they take advantage of what they can, stumps, rocks, branches, etc.
If you have already satisfactorily dialed in your rifle from prone or bench, then if youre a paper plate type of guy, go for it. Im not. Never have bought into the paper plate pie pan bs in my whole life. :twocents:
From what I have seen I would be willing to be less then 10% of hunters can hit 10" target at 100 Yards off hard.
learning basic Marksmanship https://bestpracticeguides.org.uk/firearms/marksmanship/
is very beneficial.
That starts with "knowing your rifle"
Post by: hunter399 on June 26, 2022, 07:56:56 PM
So, if you can off hand 100 yards but miss at 200, your limit is 100 ?? :o What is your limit as I doubt many guys can make a 300 yard off hand shot there for limiting themselves to 200 yards by your method?I also don't buy in to shooting a 1000 yards at a bench with bags ,rest,rifle clamped down,ect.
Im guessing off hand is the weakest position for the majority of hunters and Ive read surveys that indicate the compromised position is the most oft used position by hunters, meaning they take advantage of what they can, stumps, rocks, branches, etc.
If you have already satisfactorily dialed in your rifle from prone or bench, then if youre a paper plate type of guy, go for it. Im not. Never have bought into the paper plate pie pan bs in my whole life. :twocents:
Then going out to the woods and shooting at game animals.
If you can off hand a 100 but not 200 then yes that might be starting point to practice .
Not every game animal is gonna be a perfect situation for you to lay in the dirt and shoot from your backpack.
In a perfect world ,you'll have time to rest your rifle,or carry shooting sticks everywhere.
I'm going out to practice my method tommorow.
Some folks do it this way ,some do it another.
I think we are going the same direction just different roads to get there.
Post by: sixgun_symphony on August 05, 2022, 08:13:17 PM
Post by: optic2 on August 06, 2022, 04:46:15 AM
Not sure if this is in the right forum but I’m looking for a rifle shooting course/class that would make me a better rifle shooter when elk hunting. I’ve checked on google but it’s hard to vet stuff like this online before spending the money. Does anyone here have any recommendations?
Thanks!
When you shoot a target at 100 yards, what does your shot pattern look like? If I drew a circle around all of your shots, how big would it be? Are all the shots in one close area or are they all over the place?
Post by: JWBINX on August 06, 2022, 06:10:02 AM
Post by: Fidelk on August 06, 2022, 11:13:41 AM
Not sure if this is in the right forum but I’m looking for a rifle shooting course/class that would make me a better rifle shooter when elk hunting. I’ve checked on google but it’s hard to vet stuff like this online before spending the money. Does anyone here have any recommendations?
Thanks!
When you shoot a target at 100 yards, what does your shot pattern look like? If I drew a circle around all of your shots, how big would it be? Are all the shots in one close area or are they all over the place?
The "gold standard" is a three shot group (with a normal hunting barrel) under 1 inch. fired from a bench rest at 100 yards. This is referred to as sub-moa. You might want to try different ammo to see which gets you the tightest groups. I'd get that done before moving on. Then do the same thing at 200 (sub-moa = under 2") and 300 (sub-moa = under 3"). Finding a range with distances beyond 300 yards will be hard.......I'm only aware of 300 yards at the range in Port Townsend. I think you need to know how your rifle performs at 300 yards. Once you have that information nailed down, then finding some instruction in how to shoot other than from a bench rest will be more productive. I like the range in Port Townsend because they have a truck tire surrounding a metal plate (100 yards)......good for shooting off hand, since you get instant feedback on your hits. It's not all that hard to shoot nice groups or hit a target offhand at 100 yards........getting yourself confident and comfortable enough to take a shot at an elk out beyond 300 yards is where I see the value of the instruction that you are talking about. By way of disclosure, I've never had this type of instruction, so my comments are those of a self taught amateur.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on August 06, 2022, 01:42:44 PM
Shotguns shoot a pattern. Rifles shoot a group.
You never saw my Dad with his .300 BAR........ :chuckle:
Post by: Alchase on August 06, 2022, 06:06:37 PM
Shotguns shoot a pattern. Rifles shoot a group.
You never saw my Dad with his .300 BAR........ :chuckle:
That is funny :tup:
Post by: Shawn Ryan on August 08, 2022, 05:03:06 PM
https://thunderranchinc.com/mid-range-rifle
https://thunderranchinc.com/high-angle-rifle-training
https://thunderranchinc.com/the-hunt
Luke Carrick at Guideright Adventures used to hold a wilderness hunting/shooting class. The website says its down for maintenance, but the FB page is still up as is this Youtube: IDK the quality nor anyone who has taken that course.
Post by: yakimanoob on August 08, 2022, 06:52:47 PM
Post by: Torrent50 on August 08, 2022, 07:44:04 PM
SHOT IQ if you want to understand the psychology of how we shoot and how to master it. I had a few days hands on with him last week and it was amazing. His techniques work very well.
Another vote for ShotIQ. Some of the best money you can spend.
Post by: aorams on August 09, 2022, 03:39:24 AM
IDK if Lakeview is "local," but Clint and crew are some of the best. I took their Urban Rifle class. So much fun. So much learning.
https://thunderranchinc.com/mid-range-rifle
https://thunderranchinc.com/high-angle-rifle-training
https://thunderranchinc.com/the-hunt
Luke Carrick at Guideright Adventures used to hold a wilderness hunting/shooting class. The website says its down for maintenance, but the FB page is still up as is this Youtube: IDK the quality nor anyone who has taken that course.
Thanks for this! I’ll check them out
Post by: aorams on August 09, 2022, 03:40:06 AM
SHOT IQ if you want to understand the psychology of how we shoot and how to master it. I had a few days hands on with him last week and it was amazing. His techniques work very well.
Another vote for ShotIQ. Some of the best money you can spend.
I spoke with him a couple weeks ago and he told me he’s not doing anything in person
Post by: aorams on August 09, 2022, 03:41:10 AM
+1 for Modern Day Sniper.
I think this is the closest thing I can find but the more I look around at what’s available the more I think I’m going to make the trip to Wyoming for the gunwerks school
Post by: sixgun_symphony on August 10, 2022, 07:07:16 AM
Appleseed
Good advice there, I am just going to post a hyperlink to their website.
https://appleseedinfo.org/
Post by: Evil_EdwardO on August 10, 2022, 09:33:15 AM
http://www.rocklakeriflerange.org/trainings.html
Post by: mcrawfordaf on August 10, 2022, 09:35:42 AM
Not "courses" but joining a LR precision rifle club would seem like a good direction.
Post by: aorams on August 10, 2022, 12:45:38 PM
Post by: simondude on August 10, 2022, 02:33:55 PM
Post by: Matth on August 10, 2022, 06:37:23 PM
I did, on a cow 1 time at the top of the mountain, looked like some thing i would have done.Shotguns shoot a pattern. Rifles shoot a group.
You never saw my Dad with his .300 BAR........ :chuckle:
Post by: Magnum_Willys on August 10, 2022, 07:12:23 PM
Post by: Matth on August 10, 2022, 07:18:04 PM