Post by: Kola16 on July 12, 2022, 02:52:09 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on July 12, 2022, 03:05:31 PM
12-15 lbs would make a huge cylinder. Surface area and shape causes blow back...seems those pipes have just as much surface area as a finned ball. And they probably track like crap...
Dunno though. Never tried them.
They could be awesome. But my guess is if they where they would be on the market already.
Post by: Stein on July 12, 2022, 03:17:20 PM
Post by: Kola16 on July 12, 2022, 04:18:49 PM
I'm too lazy to do the math but am thinking they wouldn't make much difference at the 15-18 pound range. With chinook, blowback isn't that bad and I would tend to prefer what the spheres do as it helps accurately gauge the speed through the water. If it was straight up and down you would have no idea what speed your gear is actually moving.Have you ever fished for kings in 400' of water? 12 lb. balls with a fin absolutely surf. 18 lbs. with a fin is quite a bit too. It takes an extra 100' of line to reach the bottom roughly.
I am kind of thinking the tracking would be weird for them so that's why I want to hear if anyone has used them...
Post by: CP on July 12, 2022, 04:33:28 PM
But someone should breakout the Navier–Stokes equations and give us the geeky low down.
Post by: Kola16 on July 12, 2022, 04:41:04 PM
I once had a copper pipe filled with lead that weighed about 10lbs, lost it years ago. It worked as well as a 10lb ball but I don't remember it being any better.I'll stick to testing it on the riggers over beating my head against a wall :chuckle:
But someone should breakout the Navier–Stokes equations and give us the geeky low down.
Edit: I guess it's just the cross sectional area, but I think it might be different for rounded objects. The other question for me is does it track well, or swim like a fish like those dumb pancake weights haha.
Post by: Stein on July 12, 2022, 05:35:31 PM
I'm too lazy to do the math but am thinking they wouldn't make much difference at the 15-18 pound range. With chinook, blowback isn't that bad and I would tend to prefer what the spheres do as it helps accurately gauge the speed through the water. If it was straight up and down you would have no idea what speed your gear is actually moving.Have you ever fished for kings in 400' of water? 12 lb. balls with a fin absolutely surf. 18 lbs. with a fin is quite a bit too. It takes an extra 100' of line to reach the bottom roughly.
I am kind of thinking the tracking would be weird for them so that's why I want to hear if anyone has used them...
I've fished 300' at Chelan with 18 pounders and they worked well, haven't tried the pipes. I would bet they get pushed around more, a cylinder has more surface area than a sphere for the same volume and for both they have about half of that exposed to current. The pancake ones have less surface area exposed to current but they they get pushed around bad if there is any side current.
So, the obvious solution is to use the one that costs the least because it will sink to the bottom the same as the others at some point in time.
If you are feeling rich, get tungsten and then you will be rockin the low kickback.
Post by: metlhead on July 12, 2022, 08:49:12 PM
Post by: metlhead on July 12, 2022, 08:57:23 PM
Post by: Kola16 on July 13, 2022, 08:33:49 AM
I have fished 300' at Chelan too. That is about the equivalency of 120' offshore. That's comparing apples and ponies.I'm too lazy to do the math but am thinking they wouldn't make much difference at the 15-18 pound range. With chinook, blowback isn't that bad and I would tend to prefer what the spheres do as it helps accurately gauge the speed through the water. If it was straight up and down you would have no idea what speed your gear is actually moving.Have you ever fished for kings in 400' of water? 12 lb. balls with a fin absolutely surf. 18 lbs. with a fin is quite a bit too. It takes an extra 100' of line to reach the bottom roughly.
I am kind of thinking the tracking would be weird for them so that's why I want to hear if anyone has used them...
I've fished 300' at Chelan with 18 pounders and they worked well, haven't tried the pipes. I would bet they get pushed around more, a cylinder has more surface area than a sphere for the same volume and for both they have about half of that exposed to current. The pancake ones have less surface area exposed to current but they they get pushed around bad if there is any side current.
So, the obvious solution is to use the one that costs the least because it will sink to the bottom the same as the others at some point in time.
If you are feeling rich, get tungsten and then you will be rockin the low kickback.
The tungsten idea would be awesome...if I did not spend all of the money I once had on fishing and hunting already :chuckle: Tiny little tungstens for tig welding are expensive as it is, I can only imagine how much a 15+ lb. piece of tungsten would cost...
Post by: Stein on July 13, 2022, 08:39:28 AM
The downrigger line also plays a big role in blowback at longer lengths.