Post by: GWP on October 09, 2022, 11:30:21 AM
EVERY fish I saw caught was foul hooked. IE snagged. Belly, side, top, tail. NONE inside the mouth. Is that one of those things where it is 'Don't ask, don't tell', and everybody does it? Saw multiple limits taken that way.
Talked to a guy and he said he has not seen enforcement patrol 'The Boardwalk, so I guess it is whatever you can get away with?
Post by: HillHound on October 09, 2022, 11:36:32 AM
Post by: Stein on October 09, 2022, 11:42:40 AM
Post by: CP on October 09, 2022, 01:07:16 PM
Post by: Blacklab on October 09, 2022, 01:14:48 PM
Post by: MADMAX on October 09, 2022, 01:17:18 PM
Post by: Platensek-po on October 09, 2022, 01:31:07 PM
Is it illegal to retain foul hooked salmon in saltwater?
Yes
Post by: CP on October 09, 2022, 01:54:48 PM
Is it illegal to retain foul hooked salmon in saltwater?
Yes
Can you point me to where that would be written in the regs? All I can find is this:
"It is unlawful to possess a fish taken from freshwater that was not hooked inside the mouth or on the head. The head is defined as any portion forward of the rear margin of the gill plate."
Post by: metlhead on October 09, 2022, 01:56:07 PM
Post by: duckmen1 on October 09, 2022, 02:25:45 PM
Now in my eyes there is no snagging period for me no matter what.
Post by: MADMAX on October 09, 2022, 02:27:47 PM
Statewide general rulesIs it illegal to retain foul hooked salmon in saltwater?
Yes
Can you point me to where that would be written in the regs? All I can find is this:
"It is unlawful to possess a fish taken from freshwater that was not hooked inside the mouth or on the head. The head is defined as any portion forward of the rear margin of the gill plate."
Subcategory
Gear
You May Not:
• Snag or attempt to snag a fish.
I dont think Id sweat it if its incidental
But if it’s multiples
Your snagging
Post by: GWP on October 09, 2022, 03:49:11 PM
Statewide general rulesIs it illegal to retain foul hooked salmon in saltwater?
Yes
Can you point me to where that would be written in the regs? All I can find is this:
"It is unlawful to possess a fish taken from freshwater that was not hooked inside the mouth or on the head. The head is defined as any portion forward of the rear margin of the gill plate."
Subcategory
Gear
You May Not:
• Snag or attempt to snag a fish.
I dont think Id sweat it if its incidental
But if it’s multiples
Your snagging
I am guessing if WDFW showed up, the people snagging would say they were ALL incidental.
I am also guessing WDFW would not buy into that. Particularly if they were watching 'from afar'.
Post by: Stein on October 09, 2022, 04:38:05 PM
Statewide general rulesIs it illegal to retain foul hooked salmon in saltwater?
Yes
Can you point me to where that would be written in the regs? All I can find is this:
"It is unlawful to possess a fish taken from freshwater that was not hooked inside the mouth or on the head. The head is defined as any portion forward of the rear margin of the gill plate."
Subcategory
Gear
You May Not:
• Snag or attempt to snag a fish.
I dont think Id sweat it if its incidental
But if it’s multiples
Your snagging
It specifically says those are the freshwater rules and points you to the saltwater section for salt rules. Why it says statewide is a bit confusing, but it seems to be pretty clear those are statewide freshwater rules.
Post by: MADMAX on October 09, 2022, 05:10:04 PM
Statewide general rulesIs it illegal to retain foul hooked salmon in saltwater?
Yes
Can you point me to where that would be written in the regs? All I can find is this:
"It is unlawful to possess a fish taken from freshwater that was not hooked inside the mouth or on the head. The head is defined as any portion forward of the rear margin of the gill plate."
Subcategory
Gear
You May Not:
• Snag or attempt to snag a fish.
I dont think Id sweat it if its incidental
But if it’s multiples
Your snagging
I am guessing if WDFW showed up, the people snagging would say they were ALL incidental.
I am also guessing WDFW would not buy into that. Particularly if they were watching 'from afar'.
I wouldn’t keep it
Thank you
Post by: jmscon on October 09, 2022, 08:29:26 PM
There used to be a lot of snagging that went on at the bridge over the east waterway on the Duwamish. I believe they made it illegal to fish from the bridge because they couldn’t keep up with enforcing the snagging laws.
Post by: Alchase on October 09, 2022, 09:49:16 PM
When you see people throwing treble hooked Buzzbombs etc…
Or letting them sit on the bottom unto the see a school swimming by, or flossing.
It is all snagging!
Post by: spin05 on October 10, 2022, 01:19:41 AM
Seems a common theme, the bridge at the Cosmos end of Riffe Lake, the bridge by Seabeck, cedar River etc…..
When you see people throwing treble hooked Buzzbombs etc…
Or letting them sit on the bottom unto the see a school swimming by, or flossing.
It is all snagging!
hahaha Fishing with a treble hooked buzz bomb is now snagging???? LOL. Caught many pinks and other salmon using a buzz bomb.
Post by: Flaming Antler Outdoors on October 10, 2022, 07:14:31 AM
Post by: Stein on October 10, 2022, 07:14:53 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on October 10, 2022, 12:43:06 PM
Go watch the zoo at Quilicene river. Just make sure you move over when the tribe walks up the center of the river with dip nets. You could lose your treble just like that.
Funny. I've seen that show!
Post by: mcrawfordaf on October 10, 2022, 12:58:54 PM
Where I used to live, black corkies would sell out every fall. They had salmon fishing down to a refined science.
Corkies was how they snagged em growing up on the coast of Oregon. Had fish and game in damn near full ghillie suits on the banks of creeks to catch folks.
Post by: MeepDog on October 10, 2022, 01:40:45 PM
Post by: Alchase on October 10, 2022, 02:48:13 PM
Seems a common theme, the bridge at the Cosmos end of Riffe Lake, the bridge by Seabeck, cedar River etc…..
When you see people throwing treble hooked Buzzbombs etc…
Or letting them sit on the bottom unto the see a school swimming by, or flossing.
It is all snagging!
hahaha Fishing with a treble hooked buzz bomb is now snagging???? LOL. Caught many pinks and other salmon using a buzz bomb.
I should have quantified a treble hooked Buzz bomb while ripping it. :tup:
Post by: spin05 on October 11, 2022, 01:00:36 AM
Seems a common theme, the bridge at the Cosmos end of Riffe Lake, the bridge by Seabeck, cedar River etc…..
When you see people throwing treble hooked Buzzbombs etc…
Or letting them sit on the bottom unto the see a school swimming by, or flossing.
It is all snagging!
hahaha Fishing with a treble hooked buzz bomb is now snagging???? LOL. Caught many pinks and other salmon using a buzz bomb.
I should have quantified a treble hooked Buzz bomb while ripping it. :tup:
Problem is thats kinda how ya fish a buzz bomb. it is a jig after all. but yea a full blown ripping it back would be a good indicator of a potential to try snagging em
Post by: GASoline71 on October 11, 2022, 08:07:14 AM
Gary
Post by: GWP on October 11, 2022, 10:43:37 AM
They are actually setting the hook, just not in the mouth, which, according to some, I guess is Ok. Certain that view would change if WDFW was standing next to them.
Arguing semantics of ‘snagging’ in the ‘General Rules’, which contain both Fresh and Salt references, is working hard to justify being able to do it.
Easy peasy to find out. Send WDFW a note and ask! Maybe I will. After all, if it is legal, I will do it too! Weeeeeeeee!
If it is NOT legal, and a person chooses to do it anyway, might as well use a few big barbed weighted treble’s. It would be better to make sure they can’t get away at least.
Post by: Stein on October 11, 2022, 10:55:21 AM
River snagging is different because you have them in a confined place not moving much and some chose to actively snag them. I don't know of a similar situation in the salt, maybe it does exist. I'm sure if you are jigging some fish do get foul hooked on occasion, but going out in Puget Sound and attempting to snag a salmon isn't something that is an issue.
In the WAC's, there is an anti-snagging rule that specifically excludes trolling (salt or fresh). The anti-snagging rule went in the regs in 2009 I think and is clearly designed to address river snagging of salmon and steelhead by adjusting the gear regulations to make it harder to do. It applies to people fishing for salmon & steelhead from the bank.
Post by: MADMAX on October 11, 2022, 12:03:26 PM
Just say no
Are you that hungry ?
Post by: Bullkllr on October 11, 2022, 01:44:46 PM
Not saying I support those actions, but those are dead-end fish. The only reason they are there is to be caught. They will mill around the boat basin until they are caught, eaten by all the sea lions, or rot away and die. And salmon are still classified as a food fish. Common methods of harvest: gillnets, seines, fish wheels, trolling gear, etc. are probably considerably less sporting. In AK they let the snaggers at 'em in the salt.
That said, if the rules are the rules, I wish there was some effort at enforcement, otherwise it's bad precedent and a bad example for all fishers. They absolutely are aware of it, and if they are intentionally turning a blind-eye I wish they would just change the regs. :twocents:
Post by: GWP on October 11, 2022, 04:22:18 PM
Jeez
Just say no
Are you that hungry ?
Well, if it IS legal, why NOT snag them? Fill the freezer. Free fish once you buy the license. Same with crab and clams. Once you have the license, go for what is legal. No reason not to.
If it is a 'personal choice' to NOT fish them, fine, but do NOT put your restrictions on me. IF it is legal. IF it is legal. IF it is legal.
I have heard people say 'throw back all female surf perch'. Well, Ok.
Regs allow both male and female to be caught, so I guess WDFW figures the numbers are good enough to allow both to be kept. I have 'generally' tossed back female's unless they are bleeding out.
Hope I have not offended any by assigning gender to any fish that identify as 'other'.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Alchase on October 11, 2022, 04:27:09 PM
What I saw on the Boardwalk is they would wait until they saw a school, get ahead of them, and cast just barely beyond then yank into the school when they come by. A lot of casting and then a yank or two like ‘setting the hook’, move repeat.
They are actually setting the hook, just not in the mouth, which, according to some, I guess is Ok. Certain that view would change if WDFW was standing next to them.
Arguing semantics of ‘snagging’ in the ‘General Rules’, which contain both Fresh and Salt references, is working hard to justify being able to do it.
Easy peasy to find out. Send WDFW a note and ask! Maybe I will. After all, if it is legal, I will do it too! Weeeeeeeee!
If it is NOT legal, and a person chooses to do it anyway, might as well use a few big barbed weighted treble’s. It would be better to make sure they can’t get away at least.
Every salmon I caught using a Buzz Bomb, Point Wilson Dart, etc... was on the down flutter, in the mouth. Not on the pull up.
Post by: spin05 on October 12, 2022, 01:03:02 AM
Buzzbomb for salmon in the salt you have to have a single barbless hook. Never used one in fresh water so... :dunno:
Gary
correct and i believe its fresh too. Last time i bought one it actually came with a single hook
Post by: HntnFsh on October 12, 2022, 06:05:50 AM
Another spot is the Cowlitz on its good years. They get more fish back at the seperator than they need for brood stock and can truck upstream. The rest get loaded up in trucks, iced and shipped out to processors. A lot of times the public couldnt put a dent in that run even if they snagged their 6 a day when that is the limit.
Post by: TeacherMan on October 12, 2022, 06:38:58 AM
Post by: GWP on October 12, 2022, 07:51:53 AM
Post by: birddogdad on October 12, 2022, 10:04:16 AM
Post by: GWP on October 12, 2022, 10:41:21 AM
We did not ‘win’ the war, we made agreements to stop it. Crappy agreements, from their side, but agreements none the less, that we have to abide by, even though it was a lot of years ago.
Get involved with the process to renegotiate it if you want to try and change it.
Good luck!
Post by: HillHound on October 12, 2022, 11:49:18 AM
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Post by: Angry Perch on October 12, 2022, 02:49:24 PM
Post by: GWP on October 12, 2022, 06:48:04 PM
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I did eat them though, so there is that.
:IBCOOL:
Post by: Pacific Ghost on October 13, 2022, 03:40:06 PM