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Big Game Hunting => Bow Hunting => Topic started by: Wild Bill on May 24, 2009, 07:50:58 PM

Title: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: Wild Bill on May 24, 2009, 07:50:58 PM: Bought my wife a diamond edge. Can draw 40 about 5 times (without drawing from the sky down). So we backed it off to let her build up. Good little bow. Anyways,
I set it up as user friendly as possible, and have the following questions about a whisker biscuit.
1) Hers has a black portion of whiskers located at the bottom. Why? Cock vein maybe?
2) I followed A thread where someone mentioned triming it where the fletchings made contact, so as to 1. speed it up and 2) save the fletchings some grief. What do you all think?

I dont really need speed, but when her bow is puking arrows at about 190, I would mind trimming if it gains her 10FPS. If not, its not worth it to me. She rifles deer, and archery elk hunts.
Your thoughts,
WB
Title: Re: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on May 24, 2009, 07:55:27 PM: The black wiskers should be down. The arrows will rest on them. They are stiffer than the brown wiskers. When setting the arrow make sute the veins won't pass through the black wishers because they can mess them up a bit.
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Post by: nanum on May 24, 2009, 10:54:26 PM: If she is hunting elk with a bow she is definitly going have to strengthen up and pull alot more poundage. She has alot of work to do, she should be drawing at least 55-60 easily before going to hunt elk.
Title: Re: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: Wild Bill on May 24, 2009, 11:31:45 PM: Quote from: nanum on May 24, 2009, 10:54:26 PM
If she is hunting elk with a bow she is definitly going have to strengthen up and pull alot more poundage. She has alot of work to do, she should be drawing at least 55-60 easily before going to hunt elk.
I agree that more is better to a point on archery elk, but have no doubt in her ability to pick and choose shots as well as know her limits, and my ability (given conditions) to bring them within her limits.

A elk at 40 yrds would not be the first she passes, as well as one out to 30 yrds (her current limt) would not be the first she kills.

A bow set at legal hunting weight is just as able to kill an elk (within it's limitations) as a bow set at 70# shooting out to 50.
My first two bulls were at 48 and 45 yrds and I managed double lung pass throughs with a bow backed out to 50#. She WILL NOT be taking anythhing past 30. And it better be damn good conditions for that. Shot placement.

I have seen 80# bows loose critters at 40 yrds, and have seen a traditional guy poke big holes in elk at about 15 yrds where the animal only went 30 yrds.

I appreciate the concern and agree to an extent, but limitations of the hunter are by far more of a concern than those of the bow to me.

//Break//

So the black is primarily to hold the arrow ?
What's the opinion on trimming? Is it worth it? does it help?

Thanks all for comments and concerncs,
WB
Title: Re: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: JBar on May 25, 2009, 09:20:33 AM: I would not trim anything, the rest is designed for certain size arrows and if your arrow is to tight in the WB then it's the wrong size. You could also end up causing uneven drag on the vanes if you trim one side more than the other and end up with poor arrow flight. If you're worried about vane wrinkle have her shoot Blazer vanes as they seem to not wrinkle through a biscuit. You should have a small biscuit for axis diameter arrows or a medium for standard size carbons. In other words it could cause you more problems than a slow arrow.
Title: Re: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: Wild Bill on May 25, 2009, 09:25:20 AM: Quote from: JBar on May 25, 2009, 09:20:33 AM
I would not trim anything, the rest is designed for certain size arrows and if your arrow is to tight in the WB then it's the wrong size. You could also end up causing uneven drag on the vanes if you trim one side more than the other and end up with poor arrow flight. If you're worried about vane wrinkle have her shoot Blazer vanes as they seem to not wrinkle through a biscuit. You should have a small biscuit for axis diameter arrows or a medium for standard size carbons. In other words it could cause you more problems than a slow arrow.
Right on,
And thanks,
WB
Title: Re: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on May 25, 2009, 10:04:54 AM: I agree with JBar I wouldn't trim anything either. I shoot blazers on my bow and have never had any problems with them. I like the looks of them. One thing you don;t want to try and shoot through is a FOB. :chuckle:
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Post by: andrew_12gauge on May 25, 2009, 11:59:37 AM: another option is to change out to an octane hostage rest it essentially has just 3 brushes that hold the arrow in place and openings to allow for fletch clearance
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Post by: shag on May 25, 2009, 12:45:05 PM: I run Blazer Vanes through my Bizcuitts!!!!!! Also Fletch your arrows and use an arrow wrap. Vanes stick to wraps much better than a bare shaft!! Gotta love the WB! perfect for a beginner also!
Title: Re: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: huntnphool on May 26, 2009, 06:26:45 PM: That was me Bill, I trimmed just a couple rows where the fletching would hit on my daughters, it worked out great. Should you hunt in freezing wet conditions this will help in those situations as well, the whiskers tend to freeze and the fletching would get ripped up pretty bad. Just use tiny scissors at the base of the whiskers and only take out a couple rows. As long as you're not using helical fletching you will be ok. ;)
Title: Re: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: Sneaky on May 26, 2009, 07:12:31 PM: The biscuit shouldnt be an issue as long as you aren't using hunter's or helicals. A nice, soft 3-4" blazer vane goes right through the whisker biscuit like butter.
Title: Re: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: popeshawnpaul on May 26, 2009, 07:16:16 PM: Don't trim, use blazers and you are good. I don't think you lose much in speed with this setup. I think I lost like 3 or 4 fps when mine was setup with the bisquit... The convenience outweighed the downside. Also, you may have to occasionally have a vane reglued but only once or twice a year. Not too much of a problem if you have 12 arrows.
Title: Re: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: huntnphool on May 26, 2009, 07:20:03 PM: Quote
you may have to occasionally have a vane reglued but only once or twice a year.

Not if you trim them like I suggested, it really isn't hard to do and completly eliminates the issue, you gain your 3 to 4 fps back as well, and most important if you hunt in the freezing conditions it eliminates those issues as well ;)
Title: Re: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: bowhuntin on May 27, 2009, 05:20:34 PM: Quote from: huntnphool on May 26, 2009, 07:20:03 PM
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you may have to occasionally have a vane reglued but only once or twice a year.

Not if you trim them like I suggested, it really isn't hard to do and completly eliminates the issue, you gain your 3 to 4 fps back as well, and most important if you hunt in the freezing conditions it eliminates those issues as well ;)

What is the point of getting a whisker biscuit if you are going to trim the whiskers? :dunno: Might as well just get an octane hostage rest where they essentially did what you are talking about and you still have full containment. I wouldn't trim anything off the whisker biscuit just leave it be.
Title: Re: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: huntnphool on May 27, 2009, 09:54:33 PM: Those are nice looking rests, I'm not talking about eliminating 80% of the whiskers but rather a couple rows in each of the areas the fletching hits.
Title: Re: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: BULLBLASTER on May 28, 2009, 10:07:31 AM: i think you should put on a nice full containment drop away like the trophy taker, and be done with it, no worries about ripped or lost fletch and no speed loss and no trimming whiskers :dunno:. easy to set up and time, like 5 minutes. and i have found them to shoot much better!!
Title: Re: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: KillBilly on June 02, 2009, 10:51:54 AM: Here are the facts on the black portion at the bottom. The black portion is actually a stiffer bristle that supports the arrow better while it rests directly on that portion. The Cock vein should be straight up and no trimming is required to increase speed.
Title: Re: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: Skyvalhunter on June 02, 2009, 11:16:26 AM: Yea there should be no trimming needed provided you did get the right sized WB for your arrows. They make a couple different sizes.
Title: Re: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: JBar on June 02, 2009, 12:12:42 PM: I think it's spelled "vane" KillBilly, not sure you want to have your "C*ck Vein" in one of those little arrow rests! Well... at least I wouldn't! :chuckle:
Title: Re: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: KillBilly on June 02, 2009, 06:21:08 PM: Quote from: JBar on June 02, 2009, 12:12:42 PM
I think it's spelled "vane" KillBilly, not sure you want to have your "C*ck Vein" in one of those little arrow rests! Well... at least I wouldn't! :chuckle:

:chuckle: :chuckle: Ok JBar....ya got me on that one... believe me, no whiskers will ever touch my vein.. :yike:

In addition, I will be watching for your spelling errors from now on... :chuckle: :chuckle:
Title: Re: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: KillBilly on June 02, 2009, 06:22:40 PM: Quote from: Skyvalhunter on June 02, 2009, 11:16:26 AM
Yea there should be no trimming needed provided you did get the right sized WB for your arrows. They make a couple different sizes.

:yeah:
Title: Re: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: JBar on June 02, 2009, 06:39:09 PM: Sorry KillBilly couldn't resist :chuckle:
Title: Re: Wisker biscuit Qu
Post by: Timmybob on June 11, 2009, 11:15:57 PM: I always prefer a trimmed biscuit :drool:............As far as the bow rest goes; I wouldn't mess with it. I have never had any problems with mine...