Post by: 509muley on December 11, 2022, 03:11:54 PM
Post by: cem3434 on December 11, 2022, 03:17:09 PM
Post by: 509muley on December 11, 2022, 04:40:01 PM
How about a pointing lab?My current lab is half Tiger Mountian pointing lab. She will point if birds are holding within 2-3’ but I’ve never reinforced her pointing abilities as I used to primarily waterfowl hunt. She’s 6 now and I’m curious if she could be trained to hold point at distance. Her drive is so insane though I doubt it could be accomplished. Mostly what I have seen labs don’t have that rock solid point but I could be convinced.
Post by: bigdub257 on December 11, 2022, 05:04:14 PM
Post by: 509muley on December 11, 2022, 05:38:33 PM
I have a 6 year old female GWP that is very good at both upland and waterfowl. Very even temperament and great family dog. I got her through "Idawire". I believe Tom and Becky. They were originally from Idaho and then moved to Rochester, WA when I got my dog. They are now in Texas but might be helpful in your search for a dog. I think a GWP may be something to consider.Thanks for the input. I’ll look into that kennel.
Post by: RobinHoodlum on December 11, 2022, 05:46:48 PM
We love the heck out of our 4 year old griffon and she does fairly well on chukar. Although harsh coated, she gets burrs and struggles a bit with heat in the early season. But, she flat out finds birds and hunts her heart out for all upland species and waterfowl too. Just prefers cold weather. She's tough as nails too - at least when it comes to cactus and porcupines. And, she definitely has that at home "off switch".
Good luck with your search!
Post by: Old Dog on December 11, 2022, 06:59:23 PM
Post by: Old Dog on December 11, 2022, 07:02:38 PM
How about a pointing lab?My current lab is half Tiger Mountian pointing lab. She will point if birds are holding within 2-3’ but I’ve never reinforced her pointing abilities as I used to primarily waterfowl hunt. She’s 6 now and I’m curious if she could be trained to hold point at distance. Her drive is so insane though I doubt it could be accomplished. Mostly what I have seen labs don’t have that rock solid point but I could be convinced.
It would take some doing, but it is doable. I helped with a 5 yr old that didn't point at all. By the time he was 6 he was a 4 time Grand Master! Bring her to our training day as my guest. You still have to pay for the birds. LOL!
Post by: Slow-drifter on December 11, 2022, 07:37:22 PM
Post by: 509muley on December 11, 2022, 08:44:18 PM
The Columbia Basin pointing Labrador Club will start their training days the first Saturday in Feb. Exact location hasn't been determined yet, but somewhere around Othello. It would be a great opportunity for you to see just what these dogs are capable of. In my opinion a pointing lab is exactly what you are looking for. :twocents:That sounds like a great opportunity to see some pointing labs in action. I would love to attend the training days and bring my dog to see what she could do under guidance of someone experienced with pointing dogs. I just followed their Facebook page and I’ll keep my eyes open for updates. I’m really interested in getting her to consistently point. I took her quail hunting the other day after a big snow, birds were holding super tight in snow pockets under vegetation. She had 10 or so pretty solid points, granted most birds were within a foot from her nose. She was holding point long enough for me to walk up and release her to flush. My dad even shot his first bird in 40 years over my dog on a rock solid point. That was a good feeling. The instinct is definitely there.
Post by: Fishmaker57 on December 12, 2022, 07:30:58 AM
Post by: Special T on December 12, 2022, 08:18:23 AM
Post by: high_hunter on December 12, 2022, 08:31:47 AM
There also some Large Munsterlander for sale on here from @johnnyj91. I know the owner and stud of this litter; they would check all your boxes and certainly have an off switch. https://www.extremeupland.com/large-musterlander Probably would have the same early-season heat issue like Griffs that @robinhoodlum mentioned.
Thanks,
HH
Post by: Dhoey07 on December 12, 2022, 09:29:59 AM
Post by: metlhead on December 12, 2022, 01:56:40 PM
Post by: 509muley on December 12, 2022, 05:32:38 PM
Pudelpointer- Bob Ferris, in Boise. Had Labs for 30 years and switched about 8 years ago, best decision I’ve ever made. Easy to train, so much natural instinct, awesome in the field, and best of all, great dog at home. Definitely have an off switch. If someone comes over to the house, they act like all pointers, super excited and want attention, 5 minutes later they’re asleep at their feet.Is that you Pat? Can’t be too many fish makers with Pudelpointers 😂 Josh Pieratt here, hope retirement is treating you well wherever you ended up. I’ve definitely considered them, wish I was able to spend more time around your dogs to get a feel for them.
Post by: Colin on December 14, 2022, 08:45:33 AM
Pudelpointer- Bob Ferris, in Boise. Had Labs for 30 years and switched about 8 years ago, best decision I’ve ever made. Easy to train, so much natural instinct, awesome in the field, and best of all, great dog at home. Definitely have an off switch. If someone comes over to the house, they act like all pointers, super excited and want attention, 5 minutes later they’re asleep at their feet.This what came to mind for me. I trained a WPG for a client out of CA and she was very watery but didn't have the coat for the colder winters here in WA imo. I've seen some nice pudelpointers work both as retrievers and upland dogs and there are quite a few talented amateurs in WWA with Ferris lines.
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Post by: birddogdad on December 14, 2022, 09:24:02 AM
Post by: Tafinder on December 28, 2022, 03:13:36 PM
Post by: Special T on December 28, 2022, 04:00:53 PM
Wirehaired Vizsla info sent you a PM
Is that a GWP Vizsla cross?
Post by: chukardogs on December 28, 2022, 07:06:47 PM
If there's any issues or drawbacks to the English Setter, it's that they're smarter than the owners and what's worse, they know it.
The only breeder I know of on the west side is Setter Ridge Kennels on Whidbey Island. We've gotten all of our dogs from this breeder but I know there are others for sure on the east side.
Good luck with your endeavor. Picking a hunting dog is a big decision.
Post by: Fbullelk on January 04, 2023, 01:10:04 PM
Post by: jrebel on January 04, 2023, 01:54:56 PM
Post by: Special T on January 05, 2023, 12:07:48 AM
GWHP ALL THE WAY!!! GSHP’s are the most spastic dog alive, I’ll never own another. Get a female WHP and you will jot be disappointed. Also find a good lineage with a hunting blood line. A pound puppy would be a mistake.
I cannot agree with your assessment that German Wire Hair Pointers are the most spastic dogs. That is not my experience, however they cannot be treated like fat labs. They do need exercise but but are not as crack headed as some may say. Ive found them to be way more chill than German Shorthair Pointers.
Post by: jrebel on January 05, 2023, 06:51:34 AM
GWHP ALL THE WAY!!! GSHP’s are the most spastic dog alive, I’ll never own another. Get a female WHP and you will jot be disappointed. Also find a good lineage with a hunting blood line. A pound puppy would be a mistake.
I cannot agree with your assessment that German Wire Hair Pointers are the most spastic dogs. That is not my experience, however they cannot be treated like fat labs. They do need exercise but but are not as crack headed as some may say. Ive found them to be way more chill than German Shorthair Pointers.
Sounds like we agree. WHP are awesome. SHP are spastic and to be quite frank one of the dumbest dogs I have ever owned. Good dogs for hunting but that’s about it.
Post by: salish on January 05, 2023, 09:00:23 AM
Take a look at the English Setters, wonderful hunting dogs and great family members. Travel well. Will relax by the fire at night and run all day long during the hunt. I'm on English Setter #4 now after living around Labs for many years. I use my Setters for upland (Chukar, Quail n Huns) and high mountain Grouse. Quite often, I pack in behind gates to hunt so we sleep in tents. They climb in after a day of running hard, get on their beds and stay there unless they're trying to get into my sleeping bag.
If there's any issues or drawbacks to the English Setter, it's that they're smarter than the owners and what's worse, they know it.
The only breeder I know of on the west side is Setter Ridge Kennels on Whidbey Island. We've gotten all of our dogs from this breeder but I know there are others for sure on the east side.
Good luck with your endeavor. Picking a hunting dog is a big decision.
Completely agree. I'm on my 3rd English setter and will probably have my 4th (and final) this spring. There was an English setter breeder named Jim Jorgenson in Bothell, and I think now Rochester, who has been active in field trials and has had some decent dogs. I have a relative who has had a couple from him. My current dog and next one come from Moscow, ID.
Post by: Special T on January 05, 2023, 09:53:04 AM
GWHP ALL THE WAY!!! GSHP’s are the most spastic dog alive, I’ll never own another. Get a female WHP and you will jot be disappointed. Also find a good lineage with a hunting blood line. A pound puppy would be a mistake.
I cannot agree with your assessment that German Wire Hair Pointers are the most spastic dogs. That is not my experience, however they cannot be treated like fat labs. They do need exercise but but are not as crack headed as some may say. Ive found them to be way more chill than German Shorthair Pointers.
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Sounds like we agree. WHP are awesome. SHP are spastic and to be quite frank one of the dumbest dogs I have ever owned. Good dogs for hunting but that’s about it.
Post by: Tafinder on January 07, 2023, 07:11:06 PM
Wirehaired Vizsla info sent you a PM
Is that a GWP Vizsla cross?
Post by: huntnfmly on January 07, 2023, 08:54:32 PM
A Wirehaired vizsla is a separate registered breed than the (smooth) vizsla! But yes many generations back it had German wirehaired pointers bred with the vizsla! We have had several (smooth) vizslas in the past and my daughter had interest in a wirehaired vizsla after we saw one several years back and I did the research for her! She ultimately found a nice French Brittany mostly due to price and availability!Wirehaired Vizsla info sent you a PM
Is that a GWP Vizsla cross?
I love my French Brittany great dog
Post by: Okano-gun on January 07, 2023, 09:06:16 PM
Post by: Tafinder on January 09, 2023, 03:39:36 PM
A Wirehaired vizsla is a separate registered breed than the (smooth) vizsla! But yes many generations back it had German wirehaired pointers bred with the vizsla! We have had several (smooth) vizslas in the past and my daughter had interest in a wirehaired vizsla after we saw one several years back and I did the research for her! She ultimately found a nice French Brittany mostly due to price and availability!Wirehaired Vizsla info sent you a PM
Is that a GWP Vizsla cross?
I love my French Brittany great dog
Post by: huntnfmly on January 09, 2023, 05:34:20 PM
My daughter is very happy with her French Brittney! Very playful with the kids and has pointed a few quail in training and 1 hen! Seems to have an excellent nose… will try to follow my pointer in heavy cover however the Britt hasn’t mastered the art of hunting heavy cover yet! She is quite adapt at light cover and stays very close! I’ve been impressed by her so far! We plan to take her and the oldest granddaughter out to the bird farm in February my Christmas present to them!A Wirehaired vizsla is a separate registered breed than the (smooth) vizsla! But yes many generations back it had German wirehaired pointers bred with the vizsla! We have had several (smooth) vizslas in the past and my daughter had interest in a wirehaired vizsla after we saw one several years back and I did the research for her! She ultimately found a nice French Brittany mostly due to price and availability!Wirehaired Vizsla info sent you a PM
Is that a GWP Vizsla cross?
I love my French Brittany great dog
Very cool
Mine has energy for days he’s pointed a few song birds in the field I run and train him in
And looks to have a great nose
Every time the wind shifts his nose goes up and heads into it
He ranges pretty far out but his recall is solid and I have a gps collar to keep track of him it gives me a little piece of mind when he’s out of sight
I’m hoping to get him and my 10 year old grandson and my 2 daughters out to cook canyon sometime soon
Smartest dog I’ve ever owned very trainable and shuts off his crazy energy indoors
Post by: Tafinder on January 10, 2023, 06:00:55 PM
My daughter is very happy with her French Brittney! Very playful with the kids and has pointed a few quail in training and 1 hen! Seems to have an excellent nose… will try to follow my pointer in heavy cover however the Britt hasn’t mastered the art of hunting heavy cover yet! She is quite adapt at light cover and stays very close! I’ve been impressed by her so far! We plan to take her and the oldest granddaughter out to the bird farm in February my Christmas present to them!A Wirehaired vizsla is a separate registered breed than the (smooth) vizsla! But yes many generations back it had German wirehaired pointers bred with the vizsla! We have had several (smooth) vizslas in the past and my daughter had interest in a wirehaired vizsla after we saw one several years back and I did the research for her! She ultimately found a nice French Brittany mostly due to price and availability!Wirehaired Vizsla info sent you a PM
Is that a GWP Vizsla cross?
I love my French Brittany great dog
Very cool
Mine has energy for days he’s pointed a few song birds in the field I run and train him in
And looks to have a great nose
Every time the wind shifts his nose goes up and heads into it
He ranges pretty far out but his recall is solid and I have a gps collar to keep track of him it gives me a little piece of mind when he’s out of sight
I’m hoping to get him and my 10 year old grandson and my 2 daughters out to cook canyon sometime soon
Smartest dog I’ve ever owned very trainable and shuts off his crazy energy indoors
This sounds like a great time… have fun with that!
Post by: huntnfmly on January 10, 2023, 06:15:13 PM
My daughter is very happy with her French Brittney! Very playful with the kids and has pointed a few quail in training and 1 hen! Seems to have an excellent nose… will try to follow my pointer in heavy cover however the Britt hasn’t mastered the art of hunting heavy cover yet! She is quite adapt at light cover and stays very close! I’ve been impressed by her so far! We plan to take her and the oldest granddaughter out to the bird farm in February my Christmas present to them!A Wirehaired vizsla is a separate registered breed than the (smooth) vizsla! But yes many generations back it had German wirehaired pointers bred with the vizsla! We have had several (smooth) vizslas in the past and my daughter had interest in a wirehaired vizsla after we saw one several years back and I did the research for her! She ultimately found a nice French Brittany mostly due to price and availability!Wirehaired Vizsla info sent you a PM
Is that a GWP Vizsla cross?
I love my French Brittany great dog
Very cool
Mine has energy for days he’s pointed a few song birds in the field I run and train him in
And looks to have a great nose
Every time the wind shifts his nose goes up and heads into it
He ranges pretty far out but his recall is solid and I have a gps collar to keep track of him it gives me a little piece of mind when he’s out of sight
I’m hoping to get him and my 10 year old grandson and my 2 daughters out to cook canyon sometime soon
Smartest dog I’ve ever owned very trainable and shuts off his crazy energy indoors
This sounds like a great time… have fun with that!
👍
Post by: RGB on January 11, 2023, 09:43:32 AM
How about a pointing lab?My current lab is half Tiger Mountian pointing lab. She will point if birds are holding within 2-3’ but I’ve never reinforced her pointing abilities as I used to primarily waterfowl hunt. She’s 6 now and I’m curious if she could be trained to hold point at distance. Her drive is so insane though I doubt it could be accomplished. Mostly what I have seen labs don’t have that rock solid point but I could be convinced.
Take her back to John at TMPL for some training. I have a TM pup and a Brittany going there when John gets back to training this spring. A pointer and a Lab are a good combination too though.