Hunting Washington Forum
Equipment & Gear => Scopes and Optics => Topic started by: dbllunger on November 18, 2007, 11:58:37 AM
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Price usually means a certain quality level. Brand is too specific as some have expensive/quality glass and a lower level glass.
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There's a big gap in your poll. -$150, 500+? Where is the $150-$500?
I use Nikon 10x50s for coyotes. I usually dont carry binocs in the woods while archery hunting. They are pretty useless in heavy brush and timber and just get in the way.
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Spent $300 bucks on a pair of Nikon 8x42 Monarch ATBs. Good glass for the price ad I don't have an problem spotting game. Wish i could afford the high end but like i said i get get good results with these. Had a pair of Leopold 10x42s before and the worked good also. Same price around $300. My dad still uses his Leopolds he bought over 10 years ago.
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With no 150-500 on your poll I cant vote but i use Leupold 10x42 and they are great! I am very pleased with them.
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Changed it just tried to keep it easy.
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leica's
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SWAROVSKI---10by42...My eyes never get tired. I also carry a doubler. I would put this combo up against most of the lesser spotting scopes.
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Leica Geovid's. When I bought them, they cost me $1,600, but now they cost about $2,100. Love them, one of the best purchases of hunting equipment that I have ever made, although it still pisses my wife off to talk about them. Scott
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Leica 10x42
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Swarovski 10x42 SLC's. I paid 700.00 for them 10 years ago (grey market) with no warranty. I have got my money's worth out of them 10 times over as far as I am concerned.
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Leica 10x42 Geovids, best money spent yet. Sold the Leica range finder and swaroskis to afford the purchase, a couple years ago. Its nice having everything in one package.
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I have the Swarovski 10X42 ELs. Awsome glass. They cost about $500 more now then when I got them.
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Bushnell trophy 10x42. Many years old, still awesome, no probs, but I just WANT a replacement..... I wish they would break....
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Swarovski 10x42 SLC. I paid $889 a few years back.
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Swarovski EL 10X42
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Swarovski 10X50 SLCs, they are expensive (I think 1800 now), heavy but worth evry bit of the cost and weight.
SWAROVSKI---10by42...My eyes never get tired. I also carry a doubler. I would put this combo up against most of the lesser spotting scopes.
I have looked at the doubler but haven't jumped yet.
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What I have used: Steiner 8 x 30 Military Marine. (My son is now using these)
What I currently use: Burris Signiture Select Series 10 x 42. They work really well.
What I want: I really want either a pair of Leupold Gold Ring 10 x 42 or Swarovski EL 10X42 or Leica 10x42 Geovids.
It's hard for me to justify the money given everything else we want. Santa? are you hearing this?
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Nikon Monarchs 10x42.
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I'm driving 10x42 SLC for most hunting, in real good spots where I'll spend some time, I'll throw my 15x56 SLC on my Bogen tripod for a nice look. Worth every penny, both of em.
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Swarovski 10x50 SLC's. I really like them. Awesome in low light and an excellent eye relief IMO. Spendy, but good optics are just as important if not more than a good rifle.
MS
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i bought minox 10-42 at sportsmans. the are very good binos. very clear during low light . i think might be the best think about them.
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Swarovski EL 10X42
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Swarovski's 10x42 slc, worth every penny, not overrated! Glass all day with no eye strain.
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I broke a pair of really old Bushnell 8 X 40 this year hunting .
Still have a old pair of variable power 7-12X 40 that don't variable any more , their stuck on 12 . They can from the Korean War .
Looking for a new set.
Slenk
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Swarovski 10X42 here!! Great glasses and easy on the eyes.
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Swarovski 10x42's, awesome glass.
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I have the Nikon Monark 10x42 and there are alright
i just bought the Minox 10x42 and love them
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My next pair will be Minox, they are reasonably priced and I absolutely can not see a difference when compared to the big 3. If you go to Sportsmans they will let you take them all outside right at dark and compare them, I was impressed.
Coon
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Ditched the Swaro SLC and the Leica 1200LRF about 2.5 years ago and bucked up the Benjamins and bought the Leica Geovids 10x42, never looked back, sure do like not having to carry two items, kinda like the rhino GPS/Radios there awesome.
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We bought my FiL a set of Swaro's for retirement (he's a birder) and I seriously considered them. But I'm so very very HARD on my equipment, I couldn't see throwing down that coin... I got a pair of 8x32 Nikon Monarchs for $200 bucks refurbished, I'm overjoyed with the purchase! Super clarity, very easy on the eyes. And after a few years when I realize they're all scratched up from cleaning them with dirty shirt tails and glove fingertips, I won't slip into depression and cry for 3 days!
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get some butler creek lens caps and a lens pen......for yer new leica's, that will make em' last. BTW good glass is pretty scratch resistent.
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And after a few years when I realize they're all scratched up from cleaning them with dirty shirt tails and glove fingertips, I won't slip into depression and cry for 3 days!
No kidding. I too am pretty hard on equipment, even if I could afford top of the line stuff, I would probably still use/abuse it. :'(
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I have had my Swarovski 10x42 SLC's for 9 years and have abused the crap out of em. They are pretty much bullet proof. Don't let the price fool you into thinking they can't take abuse.
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I am as hard on equipment as can be. I'll use my swarovskis until they are scratched up, dented and beat, then I'll send them back to get fixed. :IBCOOL:
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Kahles 10x42 the best optics i've used to date :rockin:
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steiner 10x50
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Swarovski 10x50 slc
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Got me some Leupold Green Rings Olympics 10x50 from santa! :IBCOOL:
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Agree with scoyoc5. Have the Kahles 10 x 42 .. really like them.
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Zeiss 10x40. Looked for years, prowling pawn shops trying to find some on the cheap. Never could so bought them new16 years ago. Very pleased, only wish I hadn't wailted so long. Posted on the Photography topic "binowraps" my method of attaching them to my tripod. Sure makes for easy glassing for long periods of time.
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Mine are Swarovski 8x30 slc, the wife bought them for my anniversary 9 years ago, been very good binos!
She uses a pair of Bushnell Elite 8x40 I picked up 2 years ago at Sportco, they were $949 and I got them on clearance for $749, they are as good as my Swarovskis, but I bet their warranty is not as good.
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I have the 10.5 by 43 Brunton epoch's. I love the glass. They also have the doubler which my wife bought me for christmas. Haven't got to really use it yet. The only problem with them is trying to deal with Brunton themselves.
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Hey Swarovski guys :bow:
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10x42 kahles camo very light rugged great low light performance, i looked all the big brands swaro,zeiss,leica. I went with the kahles after smoking my brain on research and bugging local dealers to death, i would agree swaro to be the best,but the kahles compared real close for alot less i like the leica was not real crazy about zeiss.i personally would recommend the kahles for the money best 10x42 out there IMHO!!
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Vortex Viper 10x42. Nearly a Swarovski...not nearly the price.
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Leupold Wind rivers, 8x42.
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10 x 43 Pentax DCF SP. Great binocular for the price. I would not suggest they are in the same category as a high end binocular such as: swarovski, leica, or zeiss but for the money you can't beat them. My brother has a pair of 10 x 42 Khales which are a very nice binocular but I can't tell much of a difference between the Pentax and Khales. I have not looked at them yet but I hear the new Pentax ED model compares to the top end brands but are less expensive.
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Swaro 10X42 EL's Can't say enough about them.
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I bought some pentax dcf hr 10x42 that are a big jump up from the crappy bushnell I was using. They are real sharp, compared them to the Nikon Monarchs no difference that I could tell plus at the time they were on sale for 100 dollars cheaper. No sense in spending the extra money on the Nikons if you are getting the same quality.
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I just bought the Leupold gold ring HD 10x42s from the Cabela's sale for $800. Nice glass. Compared them with my buddy's swaro SLCs close to dark and couldn't tell a difference with the glass at extreme low light. I think the swaro's are better from an ergonomic standpoint, but I wouldn't pay the extra cash for that.
Anybody use Brunton's? I "won" a 50% off coupon for anything on the Brunton site at the RMEF banquet. Thinking about one of their spotting scopes. I think I can get multiple items, so any Brunton advice (tripod, mount, etc.) would be great.
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I have a couple of Brunton glasses. I love their glass. When I bought my Epoch's I bought somebody's gift certificate which saved me a lot of money. Have fun dealing with them. If you have any troubles let me know. I have the regional sales guys phone number if you need it. I had too several times.
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Minolta 10x50. About 120$. Fully multi-coated glass, no Phase correction. Big and heavy, yes. But they have survived many years of air travel. I've got 3 others I've collected over the years, differant sizes and brands. But I really like these.
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I have Kahles 8X40's and Nikon LX Premier 8X32.
The Kahles are great but the Nikons are fantastic.
In optics, you almost always get what you pay for*
*There are companies that overprice their product to appear high end.
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Can I ask what you paid for the Leupold 10x42s?
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Wind river 10 x50 porro by Leupold. made my el-cheapo 20 power scope obsolete, can see just as good through the 10's as with "bargain" spotter.
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Hmmm, thats a bit more afordable compared to some of the others... I would like a new pair, that size, and I love Leupold co...my old Bushnell Trophy are still working well, but they need a replacement.
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Swarovski 10X42 SLC's i wish i would have bought these many years ago instead of buying a lot of lesser bino's
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i have a pair of burris 8x32's.. for guiding in mt, i really do need bigger and better tho. at least some 10's. my boss loaned me his swaros for a day and i could not believe how nice they were. till then i thought that was mostly hype how nice they are... but alot of the times i end up using the hunter's glass anyhow.
weird.. back in arkansas, i never used glass. i moved out west and all the "experts" said use glass. i got glass. now i feel naked when i go into the field without them. but the burris is a pretty nice glass for the inbetween price..they are sharp, light and most of all pretty dang tuff.. lots of horse stories. just my 2
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Hope you don't mind me jumping in here guys but I see a few of you aren't loaded with money, well neither am I. (grin) But I've had several of the Burris line & 1 leupold bino about the 275.00 -350.00 range. They were OK, but when I got a pair of Vortex Diamondbacks about a year ago, man what a difference in glass between my others. For any that are considering some Optics especially if you were like us & didn't have tons of money but wanted the best you could get for a buck then you should do yourself a favor & look through a pair of 10x42 D-Backs they're 209.00 that includes shipping & a Vortex Bino Harness which everyone should have that owns binos! I promise you they're better than both the Burris & Leupold for brighter & crisper images of equal levels.
For those who want a bit better the Vipers are the next level where a real difference is shown, they're 509.00 these are the very ones I used all last year, this year it's the Razors, Wow!! They are awesome & rival the Swarovskis at less than half the price! They're only 6 1/4" tall & weigh 27oz, they're pretty cool. PM me if you'd like to check some out? Have a great day!
I should have the photos & prices up on our Site very soon! But for the time being you can check out what they look like here! http://www.audubonbinoculars.com/products
ElkNut/Paul
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Elknut,
How do the Fury's and Vulture's compare? Can you use a tripod with the Vulture's? I might be looking at a pair of those .
Thanks Sage
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The Vultures are a step up from the D-Backs & run 269.00 they're clear & crisp! Yes they're tripod adaptable! The Fury is another slight step up from the Vultures but just under the Vipers. They would run 359.00 for 10x42 or 12.5x42 for 369.00 both are tripod adaptable. For brightness & clearness of objects these Optics will rival others in the 800-1000.00 range. I've seen it many times for myself!
ElkNut/Paul
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proud to say, that the burris are now backups,, im rolling with swaro's. 7x30.. :IBCOOL: i are a real guide now
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If I'm covering some ground, Leica Trinovid 8x32
Otherwise, I'm rolling with the Ultravid 7x42
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stiener 12X40
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leupold pinnacles 500$
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I use nikon 12x50 and 8x40. Never had a problem and they work great. Good on price too.
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Steiner 8x30 military marine. Hopefully in a few years I'll get some Lecia Geovids. Probably gonna go with the 10x42.
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Elknut I see your an authorized dealer are you also sponsored in some way by vortex or are just trying to drum up sales in a less than favorable market. :P
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I've been real happy with the Eagle Optics brand binoculars that I bought about 4 years ago for less than $300. http://www.eagleoptics.com/index.asp?pid=4700
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i use a pair of nikon action exteme's
they werent as nice as i would have liked to get. but i got them at 60% off so i jumped on them. and i couldnt be more happier with them. i have dropped them plenty of times out of tree stands, off of logs, the roof of my lifted truck while drivin(forgot they were there) and they are still going strong. not really a mark on them suprizingly.
i cant see spending over $1k on a pair of bino's but i would sure love to have that finacial stability
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i cant see spending over $1k on a pair of bino's but i would sure love to have that finacial stability
A poor man cannot afford crap, because he then has to buy the 2nd one to replace the first one that did not measure up and meet his needs!
IMHO and IME binoculars are an extremely important part of hunting success and one should buy the best they can. Far more important than the amount spent on a scope or rifle.
No one buys great glass and hisses under their breath, "What's all the fuss?!!?"
Good gear pays for itself...... ;)
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You get what you pay for when it comes to optics. :cryriver:
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i cant see spending over $1k on a pair of bino's but i would sure love to have that finacial stability
A poor man cannot afford crap, because he then has to buy the 2nd one to replace the first one that did not measure up and meet his needs!
IMHO and IME binoculars are an extremely important part of hunting success and one should buy the best they can. Far more important than the amount spent on a scope or rifle.
No one buys great glass and hisses under their breath, "What's all the fuss?!!?"
Good gear pays for itself...... ;)
i always just used my scope as my optics for viewing the area. my nikons are a huge step in the right directon lol. like i said i cant be any happier with them then i am now. i havent had the pleasure of looking through a $1000+ pair of binos yet. i would however spend that money on a spotting scope before i did on bino's.
i have a small pair of 10year old nikons that i use when im actually hiking around. and the bigger 10x50 nikons i got last year just sit in the truck unless im glassing clearcuts and far hillsides. so in that case id rather have a spotting scope.
still though there is no way finacialy i can spend that kind of money. and again would be buying cheaper $500 or less optics. but as long as they get the job done and im happy wth them...its all good right.
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ill spend the big money on boots. lol
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Optics are a lot better these days than they were say 10 years or so ago. I think 3 or 4 hundred bucks can get a fairly decent pair of binos these days. The eagle optics binos that I have were just as good as some of the Pentax, Nikon, and Swaro binos that I compared them to when I was shopping for binos a few years ago.
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I have the Cabelas brand now but after looking thru the Vortex 10x42 That is my next purchase before fall.
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Optics are a lot better these days than they were say 10 years or so ago. I think 3 or 4 hundred bucks can get a fairly decent pair of binos these days. The eagle optics binos that I have were just as good as some of the Pentax, Nikon, and Swaro binos that I compared them to when I was shopping for binos a few years ago.
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Come on G.R.K. - play nice or they'll have to send you to the Monster Muleys sand box :chuckle: - that's why I and several others left that site - it gets a little nasty over there.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion and we need to be respectful of that.
I have swaro's (10X42 El's) and personally believe that there is no comparison and worth every hard earned penny, but that's my opinion. Many will disagree.
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I was just trying to point out what I think is a very good pair of binoculars for the money. Just stating my opinion. No need to call me a liar.
I don't think many people have tried the Eagle Optics Ranger binos but if they did they might be pleasantly surprised like I was. I don't remember the model of Swaros I compared them to at the store (it was quite a while ago now) but the Eagle Optics were just as clear (to me) and better than half the price so ended up getting the Eagle Optics Platinum Ranger binos.
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Curly... I agree with you to a large degree. 500 bucks can get you a flat great pair of binos these days. I'm not sure I'd go so far to say they'll = swaros or leicas but they'll come close for a lot less $.
I'm not sure but I wouldn't be surprised that the Eagle Optics are made by Vortex. I believe they have a very close business relationship.
Those Vortex Vipers are a killer pair of binos for under 500. 1 of, if not the best values available today.
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I am using the 10 x 43 Pentax DCF SP very good glass for the price I would rather use the $500 binos and use the other $1000 that I saved by not buying swarovski's for a hunt, that's kinda the point to all of this isn't it, to hunt.
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Is there anywhere that you can go look at the Vortex binos and compare?
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Fingering a pair of binoculars in a store and trying to compare is IMHO a waste of time and NOT representative. Best way to test is to pick up a couple binoculars, stack them and compare at varying light (dawn, morning, afternoon, dusk) and distances. Keep the one that is best to your eyes, and return the rest.
CameraLand NY and Eagle Optics are the best retailers I've found to deal with, and allow returns.
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I believe Sportsman's is going to bring in Vortex. I'd second the point on Eagle Optics being very good to deal with.
I am using the 10 x 43 Pentax DCF SP very good glass for the price I would rather use the $500 binos and use the other $1000 that I saved by not buying swarovski's for a hunt, that's kinda the point to all of this isn't it, to hunt.
I think it depends. I wouldn't trade my Leicas for any 500$ pair. I believe the optical quality of high end binos is worth the extra money. Having said that, not everyone feels the same way or can justify spending the extra $. For those folks, there are some great options in that price range. They've really closed the gap between the best and good.
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I was just trying to point out what I think is a very good pair of binoculars for the money. Just stating my opinion. No need to call me a liar.
I don't think many people have tried the Eagle Optics Ranger binos but if they did they might be pleasantly surprised like I was. I don't remember the model of Swaros I compared them to at the store (it was quite a while ago now) but the Eagle Optics were just as clear (to me) and better than half the price so ended up getting the Eagle Optics Platinum Ranger binos.
I wasn't calling you a liar. :sry: You get what you pay for when it comes to optics,thats all.Just joking around :)
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The poll should be $50 and under not $150 and under. :)
Wow, just think how many more animals I would have seen and possibly killed if I'd spent 2,000 on a pair. Sure would have felt more sick when I drove off and left that last pair sitting on my bumper. :)
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$6,000+ camera lens though, now we are talking.........
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I have the nikons and love them. I can see paying $500 for a good pair. But also think that you can get as a good quality for less. As far as the swarfkis, not in a million years would I pay a $1,000 or more. My rifle and the burris scope that I have on it doesn't even cost near what the swarfkis cost and think that there's a point to what is just plain ridicilous on the price of them. But to each is there own and if you can justify paying that much and have the money go for it, I'll stick to my $100 pair of nikons. :twocents: :) Also bone I would say the more you spend on the lens for cameras are worth it. We had two photographers at are wedding and you could tell the cheap stuff, compared to what my grandfather had and a huge difference.
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I can justify the bucks for swaros when I look thru them for hours on end and never get eye fatigue. I can't look thru cheaper binos all day (or even for an hour) w/o my eyes getting blurry.
Now I use a less expensive Leupold rifle scope, its clear but not like the swaros. I don't spend the bucks on that b/c I don't look thru the scope for extended periods of time.
I looking for a spotter now but I probably won't buy the best I could b/c I will still use my binos for glassing and won't be starring thru the spotter non-stop for hours.
Just my :twocents:
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I can justify the bucks for swaros when I look thru them for hours on end and never get eye fatigue. I can't look thru cheaper binos all day (or even for an hour) w/o my eyes getting blurry.
Now I use a less expensive Leupold rifle scope, its clear but not like the swaros. I don't spend the bucks on that b/c I don't look thru the scope for extended periods of time.
I looking for a spotter now but I probably won't buy the best I could b/c I will still use my binos for glassing and won't be starring thru the spotter non-stop for hours.
Just my :twocents:
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Good point. Probably how I have been able to get around getting them. I tend to hunt the thickest stuff known to man, and there isn't alot of need for long term glassing. the glassing I do is in tight trying to pick out body parts or an antler.....usually up close and personal.
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Snowman..I think your comparison holds true with bino's as well..glass is glass weather it be for a camera or for binos. There is a definite correlation between cost and quality.
I saved and waited a long time to get my Swaro EL's. I think the day that I became a believer was when there were four of us sitting on a ridge glassing for blacktail, I had barrowed a buddy's EL's and I was pulling stuff out of the brush that they sometimes couldn't even find with their glass. They were frustrated because we go by the "you spot it first, you have first right of refusal". The color contrast and sharpness is awesome. You can't see that looking at merchandise in the store. You have to compare them in the field. Needless to say, I found and shot the biggest buck on that trip.
The cost of the glass is minor when you take into consideration spending the money on a hunt and then missing the opportunity to find an animal that you have been dreaming of all those years. It may have been right in front of you the whole time...you just couldn't see it!
My opinion...glass comes before all else. Get a cheaper backpack, spend a little less on that quad, etc.
Save your pennies, save a little longer and get the best glass you can afford. That's what I did and have never looked back.
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My opinion...glass comes before all else. Get a cheaper backpack, spend a little less on that quad, etc.
Save your pennies, save a little longer and get the best glass you can afford. That's what I did and have never looked back.
You made some very good points, glass comes first for me as well. The EL's were not cheap but worth every penny when sitting glassing for long periods of time. Same thing goes for my Swaro spotter, I just wish it didn't weigh so much. I saw this add on the Outdoor Channel today, some of you guys may want to check it out. One of the gals in the video even admits that here husband spent "close to $1000.00 on his Binos, and these are just as good if not better" :lol4: http://optic1050.com/
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I tend to hunt the thickest stuff known to man, and there isn't alot of need for long term glassing. the glassing I do is in tight trying to pick out body parts or an antler.....usually up close and personal.
You must hunt these places on your hands and knees then cause if you stood up you'd be spotted for sure !! :P
As for the binos, I would like to have a nice pair of them swaros but I would have to give up hunting and fishing for a few years to save that much money, I really like them no doubt but my income is just too small to afford the better one's.
I hear you on the blurry eyes, I can hardly look throuth my scope for more then just a few seconds before my eyes go buggy, nevermind a spotter that would be really bad. What I need is two spotters and glue them together so I have a good set of binos !! :chuckle: :chuckle:
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I love my Zeiss 10x40 classics. Rubber armored, held on my chest with the nimrod bino system. Awesome!!! :camp:
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I can say from experiance I have been able too compare a few good optics out inthe woods glasssing game . Hands down I would own a pair of Swarovskis, BUT since my wife purchased a pair of the Vortex Vipers from Elknut I dont think I will be saving for 3 years for the Swaros anymore just one year for the Vipers :chuckle: These binos are what I would call a wash between the two. Just my :twocents:. Wouldnt mind comparing them side by side with some swaros to really see if there are any differances. Anyone that own a pair of 10x42 Swaros ever out around the Skookumchuck that would like to do some comparison between the two? Let me now.
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Leupold Cascade 10X42. Great binos for the price. My eyes are not good enough to notice enough of the difference from my buddys Swaros to justify the 4x's price.
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I can say from experiance I have been able too compare a few good optics out inthe woods glasssing game . Hands down I would own a pair of Swarovskis, BUT since my wife purchased a pair of the Vortex Vipers from Elknut I dont think I will be saving for 3 years for the Swaros anymore just one year for the Vipers :chuckle: These binos are what I would call a wash between the two. Just my :twocents:. Wouldnt mind comparing them side by side with some swaros to really see if there are any differances. Anyone that own a pair of 10x42 Swaros ever out around the Skookumchuck that would like to do some comparison between the two? Let me now.
I'm in Oly and have the 10x50 swaros, I have been wanting to look through those just to see what all the fuss was about :)
Let me know.
Steve
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We need to get together and compare.
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I started out hunting with a pair of 10x50 redfield binoculars and I loved them. Then I looked through a pair of Leupold wind rivers / Olympics that were 10x50. The difference was night and day. I thought I would never buy another pair of binoculars. Then I looked through a pair of Leupold gold rings 8x42. Thought I would never buy another pair of binoculars. Then I looked through a pair of 10x50 swarovski SLC's. Thought I would never buy another pair of binoculars. Just sold the swarovski 10x50s and now I am going to buy some swarovski 10x42 EL's. I don't think that I will be buying another pair.
People that say that they have some cheap binoculars that are as good as Swarovski are full of Sh!t or they have never looked through a pair of swarovski's. :twocents:
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I use Barska Atlantic 12 x 50's. These are a very good binoc for the price (under $100) They sport the Bac4 prisims as well. Not a Leuopold or Swar but great for the price.
I have a Leoupold scope on my rifle and would never leave home without it. But with 3 kids (2 in braces) and a $2300 mortgage you have to draw the line somewhere :dunno:
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Hey Bigshooter, have you looked threough a pair of Vortex Razors.....I have looked a Swaros, buddies have and had them one sold them and the other moved to NM. I do know how good Swaros are and that is why I said it would be a wash. Too close to tell, but that wasnt comparing side by side just peanut brain memory :chuckle: Bring your Swaros over so we can compare, or do ya think you might be full of chit :chuckle: Just playin man, dont take me seriouse, except for comparing.
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I love my Zeiss 10x40 classics.
i second that
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I have the 10x42 Leupold Wind River's and just bought the Swarovski EL's. Last night I got to compare them right at dark. To start with I was just picking up my Swaro's and then picking up my Leupold's and looking at the same thing and I didn't see much of a difference. I could tell the Swaro's were nicer but wasn't sure that was worth the $1,300 difference. The thought of returning the Swaro's seriously crossed my mind. Then I remembered people talking about stacking them on top of each other and going from one to the other quickly without touching either one and WOW!! There is a big difference! Not only were the Swaro's brighter but SOOOO much clearer edge to edge. As it got darker the whole image in the Swaro's were clear and bright and with my leupolds it felt like I could only see clearly in the center of the image. When I was just picking up one and then the other, it was like my eyes would forget what they were just seeing. But when I stacked them, it was very clear how much nicer the Swaro's are!!
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I was at SPortsmens Warehouse the other day and was able to compare (in store) a set of Swaro 10x42 EL's and a set of Vortex Razors 10x42. There was certainly a difference and it could be noticed without doubt. Was it a $1100 difference. Not for me to be perfectly honest. I was very impressed with the Razors and they could very well be my next set of Bino's, but I will get them from Elknut if I make the jump. I also compared the Vortex Razor to a set of Nikon Monarch ATB's in 10x42 (which are my current bino), there was about the same differenc between the two as between the Vortex and the Swaro's. All in all with all bino's I've had a chance to compare, for my eyes the Swaro EL series is undoubtedly the best.
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I haven't kept track.... what's the price difference between the Razor and the Viper? When I looked through them (been months ago) I didn't remember there being much of a difference. I thought the Viper for the $ was outstanding.
I know this.... there are a bunch of really nice binos in the 500-800$ range these days. To step up in quality from there is a smaller and smaller increase in quality for a greater and greater price. Unlese you are someone who spends hours upon hours glassing it's pretty hard to justify the jump up past the 500-800$ range.
That being said I'm really under the believe that a guy/gal should buy as high a quality pair of binos as they can afford. I would scrimp on the rifle scope, the spotting scope, etc to afford better binos. I have no regret what-so-ever in laying out the extra dough on my Leicas. But, I do spend hours behind em too.
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I have the 10x42 Leupold Wind River's and just bought the Swarovski EL's. Last night I got to compare them right at dark. To start with I was just picking up my Swaro's and then picking up my Leupold's and looking at the same thing and I didn't see much of a difference. I could tell the Swaro's were nicer but wasn't sure that was worth the $1,300 difference. The thought of returning the Swaro's seriously crossed my mind. Then I remembered people talking about stacking them on top of each other and going from one to the other quickly without touching either one and WOW!! There is a big difference! Not only were the Swaro's brighter but SOOOO much clearer edge to edge. As it got darker the whole image in the Swaro's were clear and bright and with my leupolds it felt like I could only see clearly in the center of the image. When I was just picking up one and then the other, it was like my eyes would forget what they were just seeing. But when I stacked them, it was very clear how much nicer the Swaro's are!!
Good review. Those reviews are hard to come by for the average joe in a store trying to compare IQ in darkness. Thanks for the info... now shut up so I don't go breaking my bank to make the same investment :drool:
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I have Nikon Monarch ATB 8x42s. Decent IQ for the money, decent low light performance. I've only noticed chromatic abberations when looking at the edge of glaciers as they transition into shadows/rock slides. If there's one minor improvement I wish they had, it woudl be the angled eye cups that I think the Leupold Pinnacles have that help keep daylight out of your periphery as you look through 'em.
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Leica Geovid 10X42
I was really impressed tonight at 9:00 pm with the amount of light that these suckers pick up. UNBELIEVABLE. Still shooting ranges on smaller targets out at 800-900 yards and buildings at 1200-1300 and it was almost pitch black too. Thanks to all those who talked me into them. And if you are in the market, I reccommend testing out the optics right at dark vs. mid day. That is where the huge difference in the high end glass is. Critical time to be able to see as well. I have never been able to be convinced until now. :o
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I just have some alpen 10x42 they only cost 120 bucks but they are clear and have good low light visibility, work great for me
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Bean Counter, the price tag is definitely hard to swallow, but like others have said "buy once, cry once"!
Funny story, I registered my swaros online and got added to their email list. About two days later I got an email from Swaro that said something to the effect of "The world awaits Swarovski's release of their new binoculars, August 2008!" WTF I thought, I just bought there top of the line glasses. So I went on an optics forum and asked if anyone knew what these were. One guy came back and said he has just returned from Swaro's presentation and they are coming out with some new flouride HD EL's. He said he had looked through them and they are incredible. Now I'm thinking, do I take mine back and get these new ones??? So I ask the guy if he knows how much the new glass is going to cost. He says yeah about 2500 € which in US dollars = $3,924!! :yike: I think I'll be keeping my current EL's!
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I have the cabelas euro binos and personally think they are every bit as clear, bright, etc as the other way over priced binos out there and mine cost a whole lot less($800)
And yes I have compared them side by side with swarovski
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I use a pair of Fujinon 10x70s. Yep...a little heavy to pack :chuckle:, but since I set and watch most of the day, these are great. Almost as good as two spotting scopes tied together like binoculars. Big bubba's....and great optics...easy on the eye and they really gather the low light.
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Cabelas Euros are re-labeled Meopta's and excellent glass.
One of the best buys out there.
Good job.
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I have the cabelas euro binos and personally think they are every bit as clear, bright, etc as the other way over priced binos out there and mine cost a whole lot less($800)
And yes I have compared them side by side with swarovski
Did you compare them in the field, at dusk???
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Bean Counter, the price tag is definitely hard to swallow, but like others have said "buy once, cry once"!
Yeah I'm not so much distrusting the quality that you get in the price you pay, but distrusting my ability to respect and hold on to them while afield. I'd probably get suicidal if I spent $2,000 on a pair of 'ELs and lost them.
That being said, my very first hunting season I went out with a $20 pair of Bushnell 10x25s. I lost them in the rolling hills of Umptanum. Probably one of the best things that ever happened to me because I may not have spent the money on a quality product otherwise. However, that warning still remains in my mind--you might lose 'em in the field so don't spend too much!
My next big glass investment will be a Zeiss Conquest 3-9x with the Z-600 recticle. $550 or so, but since its on my rifle I doubt I could lose it ;)
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Man I know I wont misplace my Leicas. I got one shot at buying them, caught the wife in a good mood. There was one night that I slept alone, that is alone without the Leicas. Oh ya, they have their own pillow :chuckle: :chuckle:
All kidding aside I thought there was no way I would ever spend that kind of $$ on binos. After glassing at at dusk and dawn I am convinced I made the right descision. It is a must to compare in low light, that is where the good glass really pays off. The range finder in it is far better than I expected as well.
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I have the swarovski 10x32 els for backcountry hunting and the 10x40 zeiss classics. The swaros are a little better than the zeiss but I got the zeiss for 700 as opposed to 1500 both good sets of binos though.
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This was the first time I actually hunted with my new Swaro's. I am simply amazed at them. Ive used them hiking and I always knew they were good, but today they really showed their worth. I dont know how you could get any better than a pair of Swaros.
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I've had em all 8) JK, I actually own a set of Swaro SLC's, my dad has a pair of Zeiss Classics, and I just got rid of a pair of Leica Geovid's, (sold em to wastickslinger for a killer deal) Just no comparison to my Swarovskis. :chuckle: :chuckle: All kidding aside, all of those three are the best :twocents: Like other guys say, buy cheap, your gonna end up buying again.
MS
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another vote for a Kahles 10x42.
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Leupold 10x42, just got them, I love them, I was able to spot a bear after glassing 15 minutes non stop the other day, no eye strain.
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brunton,epoch 10.5x43
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Muleysniper, why did you get rid of the Leica Geovids?
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Oh it was an inside joke with stickslinger :chuckle:. He found them on Craigslist for sale in my area. I picked them up for him since he lives in Moses. I had them for a few days and played with them a little. He met me over at Banks lake last week when I was on vacation and picked them up.
MS
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I just picked up a pair of Vortex Vipers 10x42 from Paul / Elknut1 -- actually arrived today. I have to say, I've been looking at a ton of binos, and they're awesome. I compared a lot of them, and these were def the best value for the glass - I'm happy with my decision.
Not to mention that Paul was great to work with.
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Meopta 8x42's. Excellent glass for 879.00 at Cabelas. I may buy the Cabelas Euro 12x50's down the road to use in place of my spotting scope. There made by Meopta too.
Excellent value, and they aren't that far behind the big 3. Used them in Alaska for glassing for hours on end, no eye strain, excellent field of view, and very clear.
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I,m hard on my gear and seem to see just fine through glass under $250. For the price tag on the sworo's you should be able to see the future through em . :tup:
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Swarovski SLC 10x50
Swarovski SLC 15x56
-When I find something better, I will buy them. I spare no expense when it comes to glass. I compared the 10x50's against the EL 10x42's on a Montana hunt a couple of years ago. We were waiting for daylight over-looking an alfalfa field and I could put horns on deer with the 10x50's when you could only see white asses through the EL's. I have a buddy who swears that the 8.5x42 EL's are the best binocular made....he uses the 10-15 Duovids???? Also, I have heard from several sources that Geovids lack a little of the optical quality of the Ultravids, EL's, SLC's.....I have only looked through them in a store, although, I will have a pair for bowhunting and coyote hunting next year.
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I just got some leupold 10x42s they are some nnice glass for sure the best Ive had makes glassing very comfortable with zero eye strain and lots of light
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I got a pair of Leupold Tactical 10x50. After about 6 months of looking and comparing with the cascade 10x42, the monarch 10x42, and a couple other pair, i opted for these as they were about 100 cheaper than the gold ring with the same great warranty! They look great and perform great in low light!
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I just got a pair of Ziess Conquests 8x30 for christmas last year. Man what difference a good pair of binos makes.
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Spent $275 on a new pair of Nikon Monarch 8.5x56 ATB Camo off of ebay. They retail at more than $400
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Spent $275 on a new pair of Nikon Monarch 8.5x56 ATB Camo off of ebay. They retail at more than $400
Good find, those are very nice.
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Just got my Nikon Monarch ATB's 10x42 from Cabellas for $300. Look great and can't wait to use them hunting.
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Spent $275 on a new pair of Nikon Monarch 8.5x56 ATB Camo off of ebay. They retail at more than $400
Good find, those are very nice.
:yeah:
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Bausch & Lomb Elite 10x42
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zen-ray vista for $100 and Nikon Monarch for around $300. I am still amazed that I cannot see the difference between vista and monarch. The next one I will get is zen-ray's ZRS. The spec just looks too attractive to resist.
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I finally stepped up and bought the big dogs. the view is remarkable.
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I love my Steiner Predators. 8x30. Would like a 10x42 for dawn/dusk as the eyes aren't what they used to be.
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Bausch & Lomb Elite 10x42
Same here.
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Nikon Monarch.. great for the $$$
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Just thought I would let everybody know. Cabelas has their Euro binocular on sale right now. 10x42's are $699.99!! That is a TON of glass for the money!
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I love my Steiner Predators. 8x30. Would like a 10x42 for dawn/dusk as the eyes aren't what they used to be.
I have had the Steiner 10x42 Predators for many years now and they never cease to impress me when I look through them in low light or try looking into brush. They penetrate the shadows and you can really see the contrasts.