Post by: slowwalker on May 29, 2023, 01:18:36 PM
Post by: Alchase on May 29, 2023, 02:01:36 PM
Post by: Fidelk on May 29, 2023, 02:31:02 PM
Post by: zwickeyman on May 29, 2023, 03:00:20 PM
All my other hunting rifles have Leupolds on them but the Freedom 3-9x30 with a firedot is 600.00 and I dont think its as good of glass as the Argos
Post by: kselkhunter on May 29, 2023, 03:53:27 PM
Post by: brew on May 29, 2023, 04:32:59 PM
Post by: jrebel on May 29, 2023, 06:35:27 PM
Post by: Klickitatsteelie on May 29, 2023, 07:03:07 PM
Post by: passman65 on May 29, 2023, 07:04:58 PM
Leupold all the way, seen way to many problems with vortex.
How many have YOU experienced?
Post by: phildobaggins on May 29, 2023, 07:15:31 PM
Post by: MADMAX on May 29, 2023, 07:18:01 PM
I prefer the Leupold
Crisp and clear
Great warranty too
Post by: Dan-o on May 29, 2023, 07:37:08 PM
I think we have about 4 of them.
No issues so far.
BUT...... With all I've heard of Vortex cope failures, I would go Leupold.
Post by: JWBINX on May 29, 2023, 07:49:45 PM
Vortex is inferior to Leupold ….. period!!! Other more expensive scopes out there but the Leupold would fit your need perfect
:yeah: :tup:
Post by: fowl smacker on May 29, 2023, 08:32:30 PM
Post by: thinkingman on May 30, 2023, 10:48:05 AM
Check out Burris........Fullfield II 3-9x40 should be more than adequate for shots in the 100 yards range and out to 250. Price should be around $150-200. I've had one of those on a rifle for 20 years and it does what it's supposed to do.This is your best advice.
Burris is better glass and construction.
You know why people always comment on LeeOhpold and Vortex warranties?...Because they're necessary.
I own zero Vortex or Leupold for that reason.
My Burris Fullfield scopes lived a tough life on top of a Tikka 300WSM and 7-08 and never failed or needed zero adjustment.
Burris is clear, bright, reliable.
Post by: jrebel on May 30, 2023, 10:56:11 AM
Check out Burris........Fullfield II 3-9x40 should be more than adequate for shots in the 100 yards range and out to 250. Price should be around $150-200. I've had one of those on a rifle for 20 years and it does what it's supposed to do.This is your best advice.
Burris is better glass and construction.
You know why people always comment on LeeOhpold and Vortex warranties?...Because they're necessary.
I own zero Vortex or Leupold for that reason.
My Burris Fullfield scopes lived a tough life on top of a Tikka 300WSM and 7-08 and never failed or needed zero adjustment.
Burris is clear, bright, reliable.
I have never had a leupold fail.....ever. With that said, I don't own leupolds with dial turrets because they don't get the best reviews. Where the warranty comes into play with leupold, is they will warranty a scope that is 50 years old. They will absolutely replace a scope that is no longer manufactured....and has been abused to the point of failure. Leupolds are fantastic scopes. Never owned a burris so can't speak to their quality.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 30, 2023, 11:09:00 AM
I have a close buddy who is a long range national champion. He has run long range shooting schools as well. His opinion of Vortex is as follows (I am paraphrasing here):
IF you get a good Vortex, it will be as good as any scope that you buy in that price range. HOWEVER, you may run through a couple of them before you get a "good" one. He has seen more Vortex scopes fail than any other brand. They have a lifetime warranty, but be prepared to use it.
So, if he were advising you (based on the choice you originally posted), he'd advise you to get the Leupy.
That being said, he runs Sig on everything he owns now.
:twocents:
Post by: buckfvr on May 30, 2023, 12:02:39 PM
Post by: Stein on May 30, 2023, 12:33:49 PM
If it were me, I would go fixed power as that would at least take one failure mode out of the equation.
Post by: jrebel on May 30, 2023, 12:40:12 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 30, 2023, 01:36:17 PM
These post make me wonder....how many people have had a leupold scope fail? I'm not talking repeatability with the dial / turret, but a standard 2-7 or 3x9, etc.
Never. I run Sig on the guns I shoot most now, but I have several Leupolds and have never had one fail. Same goes for binos, spotting scope and rangefinder.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 30, 2023, 01:59:22 PM
Post by: jrebel on May 30, 2023, 02:17:25 PM
I have a vx2 on the bench right now that won't hold zero even on a .22 mag. Also 2 vx freedoms that won't retain a zero even when not dialing. Leupold is really struggling these days to produce a durable scope. Their vx 5 and 6's are plagued with tracking issues. I want so badly to love and support them again but for now I've got them in the "won't buy" category with Vortex.
That's very interesting and a good prospective form someone that obviously shoots quite a bit. I will admit that my newest Leupold is at least 3-5 years old and even it is an older model that a store still had on the shelf. All my other leupolds are 10+ years old and still hold zero.
All of my new hunting rifles sport Nightforce scopes and they speak for themselves. I do have one Zeis V4 because another member on here....no names....was such a supporter that I had to try one.... ;) So far it has proven to be a great scope also.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on May 30, 2023, 02:19:03 PM
Post by: bobcat on May 30, 2023, 02:21:03 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 30, 2023, 02:23:18 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 30, 2023, 02:25:32 PM
I've used Leupold scopes for 40 years and never had one issue. They always hold zero and track perfect, but of course the only time I'm ever turning the dials is when I'm sighting in. Which is usually only once a year for each rifle. I always hear about how great their warranty is, but in 40 years I've not had a chance to use it.honest question here, why are you having to rezero annually? Changing ammo or something, or are they "just a bit off" come spring? If you're having to tweak your zero from time to time it's because your scope isn't holding zero. They shouldn't do that.
Post by: Stein on May 30, 2023, 02:34:01 PM
These post make me wonder....how many people have had a leupold scope fail? I'm not talking repeatability with the dial / turret, but a standard 2-7 or 3x9, etc.
If you define fail as losing zero, then I have. Same with Vortex.
Watch YouTubes from Leupold sponsored hunters and there are plenty of times they missed, can't figure out why and are good shots. They line up, are steady and miss by 4 feet over the top of the animal. They always blame themselves as I did, but then you go back to the range and magically your zero is completely off.
Of course people miss due to human error, but I got tired of having my zero off all the time. I've missed 2, maybe 3 animals from it.
I've sent Leupolds and Vortex scopes back in to have the reticles reattached or whatever they do. If you ever have to re-zero and you haven't changed anything, the scope has failed, at least that's how I look at it. They weren't dropped, damaged or mistreated yet when I sent them back they found a problem that needed to be fixed.
I think people just get used to having to rezero every year and then again when they get to where they are hunting and think that's normal.
Post by: bobcat on May 30, 2023, 02:34:32 PM
I've used Leupold scopes for 40 years and never had one issue. They always hold zero and track perfect, but of course the only time I'm ever turning the dials is when I'm sighting in. Which is usually only once a year for each rifle. I always hear about how great their warranty is, but in 40 years I've not had a chance to use it.honest question here, why are you having to rezero annually? Changing ammo or something, or are they "just a bit off" come spring? If you're having to tweak your zero from time to time it's because your scope isn't holding zero. They shouldn't do that.
They don't usually need any adjustment if I'm using the same load. But I like to reload, and I like to experiment with different bullets, so I don't often use the same load in each rifle year after year. One year might be Bergers, the next year a Barnes, and the next year Nosler.
Post by: Alchase on May 30, 2023, 02:45:31 PM
I've used Leupold scopes for 40 years and never had one issue. They always hold zero and track perfect, but of course the only time I'm ever turning the dials is when I'm sighting in. Which is usually only once a year for each rifle. I always hear about how great their warranty is, but in 40 years I've not had a chance to use it.honest question here, why are you having to rezero annually? Changing ammo or something, or are they "just a bit off" come spring? If you're having to tweak your zero from time to time it's because your scope isn't holding zero. They shouldn't do that.
Re-zero might be a bad word, "confirm zero" works better for me. I do it before every hunt. Not because I don't trust my leupold scopes, but because I am not the most careful person at times, and things get knocked around in travel.
Five quick shots to confirm zero, is how how taught my sons as well. That way if I was to miss any shot at game, I have no doubt the problem is between eye and the finger, and not my scope.
:chuckle:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 30, 2023, 02:52:40 PM
This is funny as I notice the same thing with meateater folks. Competent shots on game, get all nestled into a good shooting position and whiff the shot :chuckle:These post make me wonder....how many people have had a leupold scope fail? I'm not talking repeatability with the dial / turret, but a standard 2-7 or 3x9, etc.
If you define fail as losing zero, then I have. Same with Vortex.
Watch YouTubes from Leupold sponsored hunters and there are plenty of times they missed, can't figure out why and are good shots. They line up, are steady and miss by 4 feet over the top of the animal. They always blame themselves as I did, but then you go back to the range and magically your zero is completely off.
Of course people miss due to human error, but I got tired of having my zero off all the time. I've missed 2, maybe 3 animals from it.
I've sent Leupolds and Vortex scopes back in to have the reticles reattached or whatever they do. If you ever have to re-zero and you haven't changed anything, the scope has failed, at least that's how I look at it. They weren't dropped, damaged or mistreated yet when I sent them back they found a problem that needed to be fixed.
I think people just get used to having to rezero every year and then again when they get to where they are hunting and think that's normal.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on May 30, 2023, 02:55:01 PM
That makes more sense :tup:I've used Leupold scopes for 40 years and never had one issue. They always hold zero and track perfect, but of course the only time I'm ever turning the dials is when I'm sighting in. Which is usually only once a year for each rifle. I always hear about how great their warranty is, but in 40 years I've not had a chance to use it.honest question here, why are you having to rezero annually? Changing ammo or something, or are they "just a bit off" come spring? If you're having to tweak your zero from time to time it's because your scope isn't holding zero. They shouldn't do that.
They don't usually need any adjustment if I'm using the same load. But I like to reload, and I like to experiment with different bullets, so I don't often use the same load in each rifle year after year. One year might be Bergers, the next year a Barnes, and the next year Nosler.
Post by: fishngamereaper on May 30, 2023, 03:07:09 PM
These post make me wonder....how many people have had a leupold scope fail? I'm not talking repeatability with the dial / turret, but a standard 2-7 or 3x9, etc.
Never. I run Sig on the guns I shoot most now, but I have several Leupolds and have never had one fail. Same goes for binos, spotting scope and rangefinder.
Probably cause they where made by the same guy lol
Fun fact years ago Sig stole a bunch of Leupold optics guys to start their own optics line. That's why Sig opened a factory a few miles from Leupold.... promised none of them would have to move...
Post by: pickardjw on May 30, 2023, 03:36:38 PM
https://rokslide.com/forums/forums/rifle-scope-field-evaluations.133/
Post by: Fidelk on May 30, 2023, 04:02:07 PM
Check out Burris........Fullfield II 3-9x40 should be more than adequate for shots in the 100 yards range and out to 250. Price should be around $150-200. I've had one of those on a rifle for 20 years and it does what it's supposed to do.This is your best advice.
Burris is better glass and construction.
You know why people always comment on LeeOhpold and Vortex warranties?...Because they're necessary.
I own zero Vortex or Leupold for that reason.
My Burris Fullfield scopes lived a tough life on top of a Tikka 300WSM and 7-08 and never failed or needed zero adjustment.
Burris is clear, bright, reliable.
tman, for under $200, the Fullfield II 3-9x40 came with a small spotting scope.......it's been on a cheap Winchester 70 in .300 WSM. I also have a Burris 2-10x42 Veracity on my Remington 700 LR that has amazing glass. I took a fall on my first hunt with the Fullfield coming down a steep slope.......which left green vegetation on the scope.......so it took an impact. I was sitting down after the fall seeing if the scope was loose, when I saw movement. Yikes, a buck, 200 yards away. Took the shot, buck went down and the Fullfield had held zero.
Post by: Ingwe on May 30, 2023, 08:28:33 PM
Post by: Fidelk on May 31, 2023, 09:52:13 AM
Great glass......$450 w/ free shipping. Link might show the 3-15x50 scope for $499......go to Magnification/Objective and click on 2-10x42.
Post by: grizzlyadams on September 30, 2023, 05:34:09 AM
I have a vx2 on the bench right now that won't hold zero even on a .22 mag. Also 2 vx freedoms that won't retain a zero even when not dialing. Leupold is really struggling these days to produce a durable scope. Their vx 5 and 6's are plagued with tracking issues. I want so badly to love and support them again but for now I've got them in the "won't buy" category with Vortex.
That's very interesting and a good prospective form someone that obviously shoots quite a bit. I will admit that my newest Leupold is at least 3-5 years old and even it is an older model that a store still had on the shelf. All my other leupolds are 10+ years old and still hold zero.
All of my new hunting rifles sport Nightforce scopes and they speak for themselves. I do have one Zeis V4 because another member on here....no names....was such a supporter that I had to try one.... ;) So far it has proven to be a great scope also.
This 100%. At least about the Nightforce. I won't run anything else. Expensive? Yes, but we'll worth it. Have 3 ATACR's 7-35x56. Cried all 3 times I paid for them but I'd rather fork over the money once on something that will never fail me and tracks perfectly with steller glass than buy subpar equipment 4 or 5 times. Sent from my SM-G977U using Tapatalk