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Other Hunting => Upland Birds => Topic started by: YoungFowler on September 12, 2023, 11:00:12 AM

Title: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: YoungFowler on September 12, 2023, 11:00:12 AM: I work in the woods heavily as a forester, and often run into grouse far off of roads. Carrying a shotgun isn't conducive to getting my work done, but I'm considering switching the loads in my side arm to some of these .45 #9 or so bird shot. Anyone have experience with this? Is it safe for the gun with the rifling? I'm not trying to shoot far, since I'm not there to hunt, but want to take advantage of those birds that just stand and stare at 10 yards.
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: 2MANY on September 12, 2023, 11:17:37 AM: I haven't worried about that but that doesn't make me right.

Ever crouched down and clucked them in to stick clubbing range?
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: ducks4days on September 12, 2023, 11:56:02 AM: I killed a rattlesnake years ago, .40S&W bird shot at 5 yards. I wouldnt trust it to do anything passed 15y, the rifling and lack of powder just make handgun shotshell not effective. You may also run into cycling issues with autoloaders, depending on the handgun platform and cleanliness. Plus, youre going to have to shoot birdshot at a bear or cat or bipedal predator just to get a real round into the chamber, or manually load the birdshot round when you see a bird. Neither option is ideal.

If you want to take grouse with a handgun just get a target .22. :twocents:
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: CP on September 12, 2023, 11:58:55 AM: I’ve tried that in the past. The rifling will disperse the shot pattern very quickly giving a very short effective range. I mean a few yards, not 10s of yards.

Lead shot will stick to the rifling; not unsafe, but hard to clean out. I learned to fire a FMJ round or two to help clean out the lead fouling.
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: Woodchuck on September 12, 2023, 12:01:35 PM: Quote from: ducks4days on September 12, 2023, 11:56:02 AM
I killed a rattlesnake years ago, .40S&W bird shot at 5 yards. I wouldnt trust it to do anything passed 15y, the rifling and lack of powder just make handgun shotshell not effective. You may also run into cycling issues with autoloaders, depending on the handgun platform and cleanliness. Plus, youre going to have to shoot birdshot at a bear or cat or bipedal predator just to get a real round into the chamber, or manually load the birdshot round when you see a bird. Neither option is ideal.

If you want to take grouse with a handgun just get a target .22. :twocents:
.22 shot shells have been very hard for me to locate, at least locally...
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: acrocker on September 12, 2023, 12:12:11 PM: I've used .44 mag birdshot loads effectively on grouse in the past, but I think regular 22lr ammo would be more effective and have a longer range...
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: Oldguy on September 12, 2023, 12:51:03 PM: I harvested a rabbit at about 20' using a .38 shotshell in my .357. I'm sure it would be very effective for grouse for close range.
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: RobinHoodlum on September 12, 2023, 01:34:38 PM: I tried what you are proposing with 'snake charmer' shells. No good. Peppered and lost a few birds. Most seemed unscathed, but probably a few that ultimately died. Under my personal code of hunter ethics (not judging anyone else here!), this was a short lived experiment that I found unacceptable.

I'll throw out a possible alternative though. I was able to borrow a Thompson Contender one fall from a friend. It was a 45/410 and the 410 was both accurate and highly effective on grouse. Would take up a bit of room on your cruiser vest though.
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: passman65 on September 12, 2023, 02:32:38 PM: TAURUS JUDGE should work
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: metlhead on September 12, 2023, 02:52:44 PM: Ditch the Judge. Pack a LeMat
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: wadu1 on September 12, 2023, 04:44:01 PM: Back in the day I carried an M6 scout folded in my day pack.
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: BeerBugler on September 12, 2023, 07:15:04 PM: Judge is not worth a chit on grouse. Ruger Mark VI target is the perfect grouse medicine.
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: ducks4days on September 12, 2023, 07:58:15 PM: :yeah:
Quote from: BeerBugler on September 12, 2023, 07:15:04 PM
Judge is not worth a chit on grouse. Ruger Mark VI target is the perfect grouse medicine.
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: Ricochet on September 12, 2023, 07:58:55 PM: My limited experience with shot shells in my .357 led me to believe that if I was close enough to a grouse to kill it with the shot shell, I was close enough to shoot its head off with a regular round. I've killed more grouse with a stick than I ever did with those worthless shot shells.
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: huntingfool7 on September 12, 2023, 08:33:20 PM: Ten yards is effectively out of range for those. They're best at half that or less. It's the rifling in the barrel that buggers the pattern.

You'd do better head shooting them with the 45 or a 22. Will also make you a better shot.
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: Dan-o on September 12, 2023, 08:35:24 PM: I bought some of the bird shot for my 44 mag.
The "Pattern" opened up amazingly quickly.
I don't think it was any good past 2 yards.
I think you'd be way better off with a 22 shooting normal ammo.
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: 2MANY on September 12, 2023, 08:39:28 PM: Clucking and clubbing is the rage.
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: fly-by on September 13, 2023, 04:57:15 AM: Having tried a judge (ineffective) and a dedicated .22 (2 guns, too bulky) I find "trail mix" in a revolver to be the best compromise. A 7 or 8 round 357 where the first two rounds are light .38 specials works great and does not destroy the bird. If you run into something bigger, you can advance the cylinder manually or just squeeze off 2 quick shots to get to the full house .357 rounds. Same concept works with .44 special/.44 mag but you only have 6 rounds to work with.

Your current pistol may be fine. 230 grain ball at 800 something should just poke a .45 hole.
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: 300rum on September 13, 2023, 06:16:19 AM: .45 ACP birdshot is the best for auto loading pistols, it feeds real well. Does an excellent job on snakes, I have killed many with it.

For grouse, though, just shoot them with your regular carry rounds. Don't try for a head shot, aim for their "shoulder" where the head meats the breast, if you hit a little bit of the breast you can just cut it out and you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: boneaddict on September 13, 2023, 06:45:56 AM: Being a lazy chicken farmer....... I can tell you that ten yards is very generous. Shot loads out of my .357 (maybe) or .41 meet that criteria, but thats about it.
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: BLH69 on September 13, 2023, 07:52:26 AM: :yeah:
Quote from: BeerBugler on September 12, 2023, 07:15:04 PM
Judge is not worth a chit on grouse. Ruger Mark VI target is the perfect grouse medicine.
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: 300rum on September 13, 2023, 10:01:26 AM: We had a rooster and he attacked my wife one day. I drew and he soaked up two 9mm Speer Gold Dot +P right in the the old KFC breast. He was a beast! Finally the ol' pumper stopped and he tipped over and then the hen's put the hurt on him, got back at him for all of those times.

Quote from: boneaddict on September 13, 2023, 06:45:56 AM
Being a lazy chicken farmer....... I can tell you that ten yards is very generous. Shot loads out of my .357 (maybe) or .41 meet that criteria, but thats about it.
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: YoungFowler on September 13, 2023, 01:22:06 PM: Good stuff guys! Thanks for the input
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: boneaddict on September 15, 2023, 08:55:27 AM: Quote from: 300rum on September 13, 2023, 10:01:26 AM
We had a rooster and he attacked my wife one day. I drew and he soaked up two 9mm Speer Gold Dot +P right in the the old KFC breast. He was a beast! Finally the ol' pumper stopped and he tipped over and then the hen's put the hurt on him, got back at him for all of those times.

Quote from: boneaddict on September 13, 2023, 06:45:56 AM
Being a lazy chicken farmer....... I can tell you that ten yards is very generous. Shot loads out of my .357 (maybe) or .41 meet that criteria, but thats about it.

:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: They are nasty little crap birds. I love when they do that. The whole kick em when they are down runs deep with chickens
Title: Re: Bird Shot through .45
Post by: Forrestrover on September 15, 2023, 06:34:26 PM: Quote from: 300rum on September 13, 2023, 10:01:26 AM
We had a rooster and he attacked my wife one day. I drew and he soaked up two 9mm Speer Gold Dot +P right in the the old KFC breast. He was a beast! Finally the ol' pumper stopped and he tipped over and then the hen's put the hurt on him, got back at him for all of those times.

:tup: Reading this just made my day.