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Post by: CP on September 16, 2023, 08:11:31 AM
Now for the controversial part. I’m assuming this is public land, so hanging a camera by a wallow doesn’t make it “your wallow”. Maybe there already was a camera there and you didn’t see it. Somewhere there may be guy bitching that some *censored* put a camera up by his wallow.
Maybe not, but it is public land so, either you share it, or you move on. Not worth stewing over.
Post by: Ryan P on September 16, 2023, 08:19:36 AM
Post by: hunter399 on September 16, 2023, 08:33:33 AM
Post by: Mfowl on September 16, 2023, 08:34:45 AM
I don't get why people feel the need to mess with or steal cams. Public is open to all, they aren't deterring others from hunting the area. Some people just suck I guess.
Post by: buckfvr on September 16, 2023, 08:41:39 AM
Post by: Ryan P on September 16, 2023, 08:42:36 AM
Post by: hunter399 on September 16, 2023, 08:56:03 AM
Post by: goldenhtr on September 16, 2023, 12:15:14 PM
I also have another spot that I plan on sitting there opening modern deer season. I don't like "claiming" spots. But if I show up and someone is sitting in my spot. Then we are hunting together and will see who can shoot faster . Basically public land ,I have the same amount of right to be there as the next person.
Some of my spots ,I have had salt there for 5+ years yearly. These are not spots that I showed up a week before season and dropped a salt block,or deer block. Im not gonna move cause someone wants to hunt over my hard work. At the same time,there welcome to sit there and watch me shoot my deer if they choose.
For a moment there I thought you were talking about ethics:) I don't care if you have been coming to this spot for 20years, get up earlier, if someone beats me to a spot then it's theirs. Move on to plan B. They got there first, deal with it and get up earlier the next day. Bad ethics on you for thinking you have rights to a public spot just because you have scouted it. JMO
Post by: hunter399 on September 16, 2023, 12:43:01 PM
Nope, not gonna.
I also have another spot that I plan on sitting there opening modern deer season. I don't like "claiming" spots. But if I show up and someone is sitting in my spot. Then we are hunting together and will see who can shoot faster . Basically public land ,I have the same amount of right to be there as the next person.
Some of my spots ,I have had salt there for 5+ years yearly. These are not spots that I showed up a week before season and dropped a salt block,or deer block. Im not gonna move cause someone wants to hunt over my hard work. At the same time,there welcome to sit there and watch me shoot my deer if they choose.
For a moment there I thought you were talking about ethics:) I don't care if you have been coming to this spot for 20years, get up earlier, if someone beats me to a spot then it's theirs. Move on to plan B. They got there first, deal with it and get up earlier the next day. Bad ethics on you for thinking you have rights to a public spot just because you have scouted it. JMO
Public land is just that .
We will hunt together,or the other will leave.
I don't mind gaining a hunting buddy for day.
If the other guy doesn't want a hunting buddy.
Then he'll have to hunt under somebody's else's feeder and trail cam.
Simple as that.
I'm good with hunting with a stranger,maybe even making a friend.
There is no first come/first served on public land.
Let me ask you.....
Would you hunt somebodys trail cam/feeder?
Just cause you got there first.
Would you sit in someone's tree stand ,just cause you got there first?
Getting to a gate first or access point is one thing.
When your sitting next to someone feeder or in someone tree stand is another. Just my opinion.
Just to be clear ,I will be making every attempt to be there first.
Only reason I created the spot is for my son ,which only has weekend to hunt. There is more than enough public land in the area to hunt. If by chance I'm not there, hunt away,I encourage it,good luck.
Hunt my spot,gain a friend,or move along.
That's there choice.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on September 16, 2023, 12:52:15 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on September 16, 2023, 12:53:33 PM
Post by: MeepDog on September 16, 2023, 01:25:18 PM
or small group putting a stand and camera in every available spot. The whole idea of not hunting near someone's camera or tree stand or bait pile goes out the window when they're intentionally taking up every spot. We're talking ladder stands, cell cams, spike steps, tree felling, baiting, the whole nine yards. I know it's a small local group because no one is carrying ladder stands, chainsaws, bulk bait in 4 miles with no horses or vehicles allowed without backdoor private access. I have to give them credit for really canvassing the area, but I'm still going to hunt it under their stands and cams.
Post by: huntnfmly on September 16, 2023, 02:34:55 PM
Take the ladder section with you works great
Nope, not gonna.
I also have another spot that I plan on sitting there opening modern deer season. I don't like "claiming" spots. But if I show up and someone is sitting in my spot. Then we are hunting together and will see who can shoot faster . Basically public land ,I have the same amount of right to be there as the next person.
Some of my spots ,I have had salt there for 5+ years yearly. These are not spots that I showed up a week before season and dropped a salt block,or deer block. Im not gonna move cause someone wants to hunt over my hard work. At the same time,there welcome to sit there and watch me shoot my deer if they choose.
For a moment there I thought you were talking about ethics:) I don't care if you have been coming to this spot for 20years, get up earlier, if someone beats me to a spot then it's theirs. Move on to plan B. They got there first, deal with it and get up earlier the next day. Bad ethics on you for thinking you have rights to a public spot just because you have scouted it. JMO
Public land is just that .
We will hunt together,or the other will leave.
I don't mind gaining a hunting buddy for day.
If the other guy doesn't want a hunting buddy.
Then he'll have to hunt under somebody's else's feeder and trail cam.
Simple as that.
I'm good with hunting with a stranger,maybe even making a friend.
There is no first come/first served on public land.
Let me ask you.....
Would you hunt somebodys trail cam/feeder?
Just cause you got there first.
Would you sit in someone's tree stand ,just cause you got there first?
Getting to a gate first or access point is one thing.
When your sitting next to someone feeder or in someone tree stand is another. Just my opinion.
Just to be clear ,I will be making every attempt to be there first.
Only reason I created the spot is for my son ,which only has weekend to hunt. There is more than enough public land in the area to hunt. If by chance I'm not there, hunt away,I encourage it,good luck.
Hunt my spot,gain a friend,or move along.
That's there choice.
Someone sitting at your site is BS sitting next to that person and wrecking your hunt as well is BS I understand but it’s public land. If you do that you become a DBag just like the person sitting at you site The problem I have is people thinking it’s their property because they have a cam up
Just move on because if you’ve been getting pics you probably know which direction animals are coming from go sit on that trail
Post by: Ryan P on September 16, 2023, 02:42:09 PM
Post by: Lumpy Taters on September 16, 2023, 09:17:54 PM
Post by: GWP on September 17, 2023, 04:53:50 AM
:hello:
If the cam is legal to be there, the cam is private property, and no one should touch or damage it.
As to hunting on public lands, that spot, and all others, is FAIR GAME.
Period.
If you can work something out, fine, but do NOT demand they leave. They own it too.
The State is getting more crowded. I doubt there are many 'secret' spots left that some human has not traversed. If someone sets up a camp on public lands and believes no one else should hunt 'their' spot, they are delusional.
How far does it extend? What timeframe?
I know this is a controversial issue, but I certainly have seen it get out of hand. More so in recent years. All the camera's and baiting make it even worse.
If there is another hunter in the spot I have picked, I will probably leave rather than hunt with them just because you do not know if they are safe to be around.
I stopped hunting with others many years ago after seeing people I was around take bad shots, waving the muzzle of a loaded firearm around, using the scope of a loaded firearm to 'check someone out', walking with a loaded firearm with the safety off because 'it's quicker', drinking, and just being general slobs. The list goes on and on.
While it would be nice for everyone to get along, it ain't going to happen, because generally speaking, humans suck.
Post by: Taco280AI on September 17, 2023, 08:13:25 AM
The other issue: leave people's property alone. It's that simple.
Post by: Ryan P on September 17, 2023, 08:41:05 AM
Post by: Mallardmasher on September 17, 2023, 09:45:34 PM
Post by: hunter399 on September 17, 2023, 09:48:21 PM
If someone beats you to your opening day duck spot on public ground. You move to find another spot, not climb in the blind with them. But I agree, no need to mess with anyone’s property.No worries man.
No blind,no tree stand.
Just my lawn chair :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
And my new hunting partner stuff,if they want a chair they got to bring there own. :chuckle:
Post by: Ingwe on September 18, 2023, 11:59:25 AM
Post by: GWP on September 18, 2023, 12:44:04 PM
I hunted a spot for many years in the same area. Wide open, plenty of room. I would occasionally see another hunter over the years.
An outfitter started using the same area. Fine. Still enough room for both of us.
Two more moved into the same basic area the next year, so now there are three, THREE different outfitters on the same mountain. Talked to two of them. They both thought I should move to a different mountain because, well, they are outfitters and want happy clients.
Great.
I cannot spend 3 weeks before season to get there and set up ahead of them.
I guess that means I should just move on?
I actually did, as the area was now crowded, and it seemed they couldn't care less about screwing up my hunt as long as 'they got theirs'.
I would be curious how attitudes on some here would change if they had the same thing happen to them?
I had that happen here in Wa and also about the same in MT when I lived there.
I have learned, in my old age, to not be so dogmatic in my opinion until I have walked in the same shoes in the same experience as the ones with different experiences.
Post by: LDennis24 on September 18, 2023, 12:57:42 PM
Public land is fair game. Just because there's a cam up doesn't mean the cam owner will hunt that spot. Now if hunting day comes around and there's someone there first I'll move off to another spot.:yeah:
The other issue: leave people's property alone. It's that simple.
Some posts on this thread clearly show that people with cams up on public land think it's "their spot". If I want to hunt a certain spot and don't see you around and there is a cam up. Maybe i will put a piece of tape over the sensor and sit and hunt it. When I'm done hunting, I'll remove the tape and go on about my business. I don't care if it bothers people. I don't want to have 200 pics of me sitting on your camera and I don't believe for a second that you have any right to that spot because you have been putting out bait for X number of years or because you have a camera there. If I get to a spot I wanted to hunt, no matter where it is, and someone is already there, I'm moving to another spot. Some people's kids.... :dunno:
Post by: Ryan P on September 18, 2023, 01:43:21 PM
I cant control if someone messes with my camera or puts a salt block in not "my spot". Just a spot that I have been scouting for a year now. Hopefully for the both of us he has a different tag
so we don't screw each other up. I'm sure he was just as disappointed to find my camera as I was to find his salt block. Drawing permits is hard and puts a ton of extra pressure on filling your
tags. It'll probably be another 10-15 years before a chance to pull it again. Reacting to jerk behavior with more jerk behavior doesn't do anything for anyone. Doesn't sound like the
experience I was excited about in June to ague with another hunter or ruin my hunt to spite someone else. There's enough elk to go around.
Post by: hunter399 on September 18, 2023, 01:44:41 PM
Post by: Whitefoot on September 18, 2023, 04:15:19 PM
Here is what I use.
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I take two tree stand steps.
Screw into the tree,two feet or so from the ground.
Stand on steps,put cam up as high as you can.
Put stick behind cam to point it the direction you want.
Lock with cable.
Make sure to take steps with ya when you leave.
Make them work for it.
Post by: Jake Dogfish on September 18, 2023, 04:33:54 PM
Post by: GASoline71 on September 18, 2023, 05:05:28 PM
Just do what Kansas did, and all these issues go away. :tup:
I'm for it. :tup:
Gary
Post by: Berin Denson on September 20, 2023, 07:28:02 PM
Post by: Gentrys on September 20, 2023, 10:28:21 PM
Either way it sucks.
Post by: Taco280AI on September 22, 2023, 11:49:24 AM
In Idaho I keep hiking up until there's nobody around me. Doesn't bother me if others got to some areas I like before me, I just keep going - not take a seat next to them.
Post by: buckfvr on September 22, 2023, 12:24:01 PM
Post by: HillHound on September 22, 2023, 12:39:09 PM
Just my two cents but that’s what I would see as the solution. It really does suck because you abandon lots of great hunting spots but that’s what you have to do unless you like hunting with the masses. Start knocking on some doors. Take the kid with you that always helps. Show up during the summer time when work needs to be done and build some rapport with the local farmer etc. with the lawsuit against the governor and game commission being thrown out it Doesn’t sound like we have too much more time to even hunt in Washington so I would do the most we all can do to enjoy what little bit of time we have left.
Post by: Mtnwalker on September 22, 2023, 01:22:11 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on September 22, 2023, 01:24:01 PM
Post by: spoonman on September 22, 2023, 01:27:01 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 22, 2023, 07:24:13 PM
Cleaned up. Keep it on track or bans will be handed out.
Post by: Ryan P on September 24, 2023, 07:03:11 AM
Post by: boneaddict on September 24, 2023, 07:24:16 AM
Some opinions on this thread blow me away, but then again my opinion of outlawing trailcams and baiting probably would really fire up the masses. LOL IF thats what Kansas did then good for them. Its getting to a point I need to make sure I have my hair done and make up on for the photoshoot I am about to get when I go for a hike these days anywhere near civilization. If you really want to see something, go to NM or AZ and you might find 30 trailcams or more on a single water hole.
Post by: JWBINX on September 24, 2023, 07:31:00 AM
I think Arizona did away with trail cams last year.
Nevada restricts them from Aug to Dec.
I believe Utah is on board along with Kansas.
Post by: Ryan P on September 24, 2023, 07:54:40 AM
Post by: GWP on September 24, 2023, 08:01:51 AM
Sorry your hunt has been thwarted a bit Ryan P
Some opinions on this thread blow me away, but then again my opinion of outlawing trailcams and baiting probably would really fire up the masses. LOL IF thats what Kansas did then good for them. Its getting to a point I need to make sure I have my hair done and make up on for the photoshoot I am about to get when I go for a hike these days anywhere near civilization. If you really want to see something, go to NM or AZ and you might find 30 trailcams or more on a single water hole.
Probably more people would support that than you would think. Myself included.
Post by: buckfvr on September 24, 2023, 08:26:16 AM
Some opinions on this thread blow me away, but then again my opinion of outlawing trailcams and baiting probably would really fire up the masses. LOL IF thats what Kansas did then good for them. Its getting to a point I need to make sure I have my hair done and make up on for the photoshoot I am about to get when I go for a hike these days anywhere near civilization. If you really want to see something, go to NM or AZ and you might find 30 trailcams or more on a single water hole.
I think your opinion is shared by more than you'd guess, and I believe it will happen sooner than any of us would ever think. Ive advised a few of the guys I know to maybe think about not using bait, a plan "B" actually and have been told in no uncertain terms they wont stop baiting.
Post by: Ryan P on September 24, 2023, 08:38:00 AM
Post by: ghosthunter on September 24, 2023, 09:24:38 AM
Saw several cows and bull spread out through it. We had trail cameras to put up but elected not too.
We hunted this area many times ,so we kinda know where to look. Once in a while I come across a camera and just wave at it. I would never sit by it. But I am still going to hunt through.
We on occasion use ground blinds for elk and May set them up before season a couple days.
We have never had an issue with anyone around a blind. But if I showed up and found someone in my blind in my chair they got there first. They can have the spot, but I am taking my blind and chair with me.
We are mostly retired guys, so we are often set up first. About two days before season the other camps move in. Four or five days they are all gone and we are alone.
I for one would not miss trail cams, mountain bikes , atv , or baiting. I like having other hunters around moving animals as long as they leave me alone. And do not think they own a spot.
During deer season I have by accident set down in someone’s spot or below them. Not knowing they were there only discovering it when they get up and move. But I would not do it intentionally. I think there are a lot of hot heads out there who jump to the conclusion you are being a bugger when it was just an innocent mistake.
Leave others stuff alone.
Post by: boneaddict on September 24, 2023, 09:51:53 AM
Post by: jackelope on September 24, 2023, 09:55:46 AM
Well this was fun while it lasted.
Cleaned up. Keep it on track or bans will be handed out.
Here we are again.
If you’re trying to start trouble, just don’t.
If you want to continue participating on the forum, don’t start trouble.
Should be pretty straight forward.
Post by: Ridgeratt on September 24, 2023, 10:09:40 AM
:twocents:
Post by: Buckhunter24 on September 24, 2023, 10:58:40 AM
I will admit that I am also guilty of running a few cameras. But I wonder just how many cameras are in any one draw at one time. Some folks are claiming they have over 40 plus cameras. Perhaps they need to be regulated like trapping and they need checked every so often I'm sure the argument could be made the cell cameras report back every day.
:twocents:
I spend time in a couple drainages on the westside that have so many cameras its comical. I would think once you realize there are a dozen other guys watching the same spot you'd move on
Post by: jackelope on September 24, 2023, 11:34:54 AM