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Post by: boneaddict on October 26, 2023, 09:13:32 AM
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All that being said, a cougar will die just the same when hit with buckshot.
I very much disagree with this comment
Post by: 92xj on October 26, 2023, 09:32:18 AM
QuoteAll that being said, a cougar will die just the same when hit with buckshot.
I very much disagree with this comment
Sure, anyone can come up with one off random scenarios that would cause a cougar not to die and a deer to die when shot with the same projectile.
But, for generalizations and the most common/normal scenarios in a hunting situation, when a deer is shot and killed with buckshot, a cougar replacing that deer, in that scenario will also die when shot with buckshot. 0-75 yards with pellets hitting kill zones on a cougar will penetrate just fine and kill it.
And for the OP, blood trails on buckshot kills when shot are very minimal, unless close range and they blow through the animal; be aware of where they run after the shot, you will be doing grid searches over blood trail following most likely.
Post by: duckmen1 on October 26, 2023, 10:01:59 AM
There are some interesting TSS loads out there for deer and predators now. Salt Creek Ammunition makes one called Triple Threat for hogs, deer and coyote. I imagine it would be an excellent load for cougars if it patterned well out of your gun.
Although I am a huge advocate toward TSS and its lethal power on game I believe size wise on shot that this state has a minimum requirement for shot to use on big game. Now although the TSS has the power in available shot size and more shot density due to size of shot, it falls short of the legal requirement based off old technology.
Now for a small game hunter this stuff would be awesome such as coyotes. And they are a bit more reasonable on price compared to other manufacturers.
Post by: Call em in on October 26, 2023, 01:41:05 PM
There are some interesting TSS loads out there for deer and predators now. Salt Creek Ammunition makes one called Triple Threat for hogs, deer and coyote. I imagine it would be an excellent load for cougars if it patterned well out of your gun.
Although I am a huge advocate toward TSS and its lethal power on game I believe size wise on shot that this state has a minimum requirement for shot to use on big game. Now although the TSS has the power in available shot size and more shot density due to size of shot, it falls short of the legal requirement based off old technology.
Now for a small game hunter this stuff would be awesome such as coyotes. And they are a bit more reasonable on price compared to other manufacturers.
Good catch! I didn't check the requirements before I posted and I should have.
If the legal requirements were ever updated to include current technology, I would imagine that TSS in T or BB would be a good load at reasonable distances.
Post by: duckmen1 on October 26, 2023, 02:01:50 PM
There are some interesting TSS loads out there for deer and predators now. Salt Creek Ammunition makes one called Triple Threat for hogs, deer and coyote. I imagine it would be an excellent load for cougars if it patterned well out of your gun.
Although I am a huge advocate toward TSS and its lethal power on game I believe size wise on shot that this state has a minimum requirement for shot to use on big game. Now although the TSS has the power in available shot size and more shot density due to size of shot, it falls short of the legal requirement based off old technology.
Now for a small game hunter this stuff would be awesome such as coyotes. And they are a bit more reasonable on price compared to other manufacturers.
Good catch! I didn't check the requirements before I posted and I should have.
If the legal requirements were ever updated to include current technology, I would imagine that TSS in T or BB would be a good load at reasonable distances.
For sure. The intention of the thought of using TSS is of best interest. And would be amazing. Our state gets very picky on small detail and I read and catch those small details and happy to be of help in such case. But for sure for small game coyotes and bobcats it is an awesome choice. I can say the TSS penetration is like nothing I have ever seen and the marketing explaining it is spot on. For example 410 #9 shot reloaded lighter than factory loads getting complete pass through on chest cavity of geese. And knocks coons stone dead. Which is amazing performance. And larger shot sizes have real potential on larger animals. And another example of ballistic gel test penetration. Steel #2 penetrates 1.5 inch at 56.8 yards. Number 8 TSS penetrates same amount at 86 yards. Now bringing that into larger shot sizes. Deadly. Patterns well because it is so perfect on shot and density making it hold energy at longer distances for good penetration. Lead has a shot density of 11.35gcc. Steel is roughly 7.4. Tss is the highest at 18gcc on the chart. This topic of TSS gets me really excited as I use it a lot and have first hand experience. And would love to see and hear more people use it when they can. But I know I am a little off topic for the OP oringinal post so my appologies there. Best of luck on the Cougar adventures.
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Post by: NOCK NOCK on October 26, 2023, 07:20:05 PM
It would work, preferably up close. Skin is thin, but their muscle us ungodly tough.
:yeah:
I shot a good sized Tom at 75yards with a 140g PSP in .280 cal. Hit him just behind front shoulder, broadside, no major bone hit, bullet expanded perfectly and was found between muscle and skin on exit side. Tough critters! I've put the same bullets thru multiple deer, hitting some good bone at times, and they always exit.
Post by: Chesapeake on October 28, 2023, 11:52:48 AM
Last many years I’ve used hevi-shot 00 buck, both 9 and 12 pellet. It’s dang lethal out to 80 yards.
My buck last year was around 60 yards with a 9 pellet load.
Unfortunately Hevi-shot or any of the other tungsten blend buckshot ammo is in short supply these days, and priced like it’s gold plated.
All that to say, I’d have no concerns shooting a cat out to 60 yards with buckshot. At that distance it wouldn’t be much issue to get 4+ .33 pellets in it.
You have to use size #1 (.30) or larger and 20 gauge or larger.
Post by: hunter399 on October 28, 2023, 12:23:01 PM
Most likely better in a snow condition.
Me personally,ya nope.
Chances of calling one in are slim ,I'm not gonna short myself with a short range weapon.
I usually setup about a 100 yards from the call ,or as far as my fox pro remote will still work.
So where I setup is already out of range,not gonna work for me.
Not to say it won't work for someone that wants a short range setup.
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Post by: Okanagan on November 15, 2023, 03:31:53 PM
I.e I shot a deer with a full choke 2 3/4" 12 guage that barely put two out of nine 00 pellets in the body at 32 yards. 7 out of nine pellets missed the whole deer!
Another 12 guage with 3" magnum Federal Flite Control Wad and cylinder (no) choke, groups all 12 double ought pellets in a 9"x 12" oval centered at 45 yards. Find out what yours will do by shooting paper, then you will know how close you need to be to consistently kill a cougar.