Post by: wolfbait on November 07, 2023, 02:22:23 AM
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on November 07, 2023, 06:40:17 AM
https://www.outdoorlife.com/conservation/animal-rights-wildlife-commission-takeover-podcast/?utm_term=ODL%20-%20110623&utm_campaign=Outdoor%20Life_Newsletter_Actives&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email
To answer your question....YES, for many years now!
Post by: KNOPHISH on November 07, 2023, 06:58:41 AM
Post by: buckfvr on November 07, 2023, 08:41:38 AM
Post by: timberfaller on November 07, 2023, 08:53:03 AM
Now decades later, you don't have to look very far to find them out!! The Center of Biodiversity is now the leading group of nut-case's!! And government does their bidding!! After all, they only exist by grants!! :bash:
Post by: steeleywhopper on November 07, 2023, 09:46:26 AM
Not just the commission, the entirety of wdfw.
This!
Post by: Bendejo on November 07, 2023, 01:34:18 PM
Not just the commission, the entirety of wdfw.Can you Cliff note a couple of data points so I can research this?
Post by: andersonjk4 on November 07, 2023, 02:32:42 PM
Not just the commission, the entirety of wdfw.Can you Cliff note a couple of data points so I can research this?
Dig into the organization Washington Wildlife First and its creator Claire Davis. She created the organization for the purpose of changing the WDFW and the commission from top to bottom.
Here is a podcast she was on that really gives an insight into the WWF operations and goals. Its a tough listen, but you have to know what the other side is up to.
https://thewolfconnection.buzzsprout.com/1081496/13553760 (https://thewolfconnection.buzzsprout.com/1081496/13553760)
Post by: bigtex on November 07, 2023, 05:38:25 PM
To counter act the game management by ballot box we need to do the same to shut down in its tracks. A petition that makes hunting a right. A petition that absolutely no game management by ballot box can be legal. Worded correctly they may have a chance. A lawsuit against commission for Not following science. The commissions new conservation policy can not be legal if not following science proved in court.
What do you mean by petition? You mean initiative? If you do, it seems weird to have an initiative to make it unlawful to have an itiative regarding wildlife management.
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Post by: chukarchaser on November 07, 2023, 06:26:16 PM
Post by: bigtex on November 07, 2023, 06:44:17 PM
What method would you suggest Big Tex? Also any chance you could jump in and offer your insight on the corner crossing thread. It would be much appreciated
Already provided input on the corner crossing.
Regarding this thread. I honestly think we've missed our opportunity by decades perhaps. Does anybody really think a citizenry that voted 30ish years ago to ban bear baiting, hound hunting, and most trapping is now going to approve an initiative that cements hunting in the state constitution? I dont see it happening, the state has only gotten bluer since those bear baiting and trapping votes.
On the legislature side you used to have a few hard-core hunting democrats who would side with the Republicans on hunting and firearms issues. Those individuals are now gone, and in most instances replaced by more liberal individuals who don't hunt.
I put more faith in the legislative process than the citizen initiative process. But, we need to get more likeminded people in the legislature. It's amazing how many legislative positions really come down to a couple hundred or thousand votes, how many people in those districts didn't vote? My district in the suburbs went from essentially a swing district to a democrat only district for the past 10 or so years, those Republicans are still here, they're not voting.
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Post by: Humptulips on November 07, 2023, 07:19:25 PM
:yeah: Truth being spoken here!What method would you suggest Big Tex? Also any chance you could jump in and offer your insight on the corner crossing thread. It would be much appreciated
Already provided input on the corner crossing.
Regarding this thread. I honestly think we've missed our opportunity by decades perhaps. Does anybody really think a citizenry that voted 30ish years ago to ban bear baiting, hound hunting, and most trapping is now going to approve an initiative that cements hunting in the state constitution? I dont see it happening, the state has only gotten bluer since those bear baiting and trapping votes.
On the legislature side you used to have a few hard-core hunting democrats who would side with the Republicans on hunting and firearms issues. Those individuals are now gone, and in most instances replaced by more liberal individuals who don't hunt.
I put more faith in the legislative process than the citizen initiative process. But, we need to get more likeminded people in the legislature. It's amazing how many legislative positions really come down to a couple hundred or thousand votes, how many people in those districts didn't vote? My district in the suburbs went from essentially a swing district to a democrat only district for the past 10 or so years, those Republicans are still here, they're not voting.
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Post by: Tbar on November 07, 2023, 07:26:25 PM
Agreed. I don't think sportsman realized what was lost in the 19th. He and others provided 20 years of coverage that few realize because they stayed ahead for the most part. Both consumptive use as well as 2a protection. The leg is worse without him. :twocents:What method would you suggest Big Tex? Also any chance you could jump in and offer your insight on the corner crossing thread. It would be much appreciated
Already provided input on the corner crossing.
Regarding this thread. I honestly think we've missed our opportunity by decades perhaps. Does anybody really think a citizenry that voted 30ish years ago to ban bear baiting, hound hunting, and most trapping is now going to approve an initiative that cements hunting in the state constitution? I dont see it happening, the state has only gotten bluer since those bear baiting and trapping votes.
On the legislature side you used to have a few hard-core hunting democrats who would side with the Republicans on hunting and firearms issues. Those individuals are now gone, and in most instances replaced by more liberal individuals who don't hunt.
I put more faith in the legislative process than the citizen initiative process. But, we need to get more likeminded people in the legislature. It's amazing how many legislative positions really come down to a couple hundred or thousand votes, how many people in those districts didn't vote? My district in the suburbs went from essentially a swing district to a democrat only district for the past 10 or so years, those Republicans are still here, they're not voting.
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Post by: bigtex on November 07, 2023, 07:46:00 PM
:yeah:Agreed. I don't think sportsman realized what was lost in the 19th. He and others provided 20 years of coverage that few realize because they stayed ahead for the most part. Both consumptive use as well as 2a protection. The leg is worse without him. :twocents:What method would you suggest Big Tex? Also any chance you could jump in and offer your insight on the corner crossing thread. It would be much appreciated
Already provided input on the corner crossing.
Regarding this thread. I honestly think we've missed our opportunity by decades perhaps. Does anybody really think a citizenry that voted 30ish years ago to ban bear baiting, hound hunting, and most trapping is now going to approve an initiative that cements hunting in the state constitution? I dont see it happening, the state has only gotten bluer since those bear baiting and trapping votes.
On the legislature side you used to have a few hard-core hunting democrats who would side with the Republicans on hunting and firearms issues. Those individuals are now gone, and in most instances replaced by more liberal individuals who don't hunt.
I put more faith in the legislative process than the citizen initiative process. But, we need to get more likeminded people in the legislature. It's amazing how many legislative positions really come down to a couple hundred or thousand votes, how many people in those districts didn't vote? My district in the suburbs went from essentially a swing district to a democrat only district for the past 10 or so years, those Republicans are still here, they're not voting.
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Takko and Blake are two that come to mind. Yes they're Democrats, but are pro-hunting, pro-gun, etc. We lost a great Natural Resource Commitee Chair in Blake and a great committee member in Takko. Blake was replaced as Chair by another Dem who sponsored 0 hunting related bills this year and has an A plus rating from the Alliance for Gun Responsibility. Takko and Blake had 80-100% ratings by the NRA. Know any other dem with such rating? There aren't any.
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Post by: Tbar on November 07, 2023, 09:11:41 PM
What amazes me is how a support of commercial may have been the dagger and the in the antis needed, a self inflicted dagger. It's all under attack now.:yeah:Agreed. I don't think sportsman realized what was lost in the 19th. He and others provided 20 years of coverage that few realize because they stayed ahead for the most part. Both consumptive use as well as 2a protection. The leg is worse without him. :twocents:What method would you suggest Big Tex? Also any chance you could jump in and offer your insight on the corner crossing thread. It would be much appreciated
Already provided input on the corner crossing.
Regarding this thread. I honestly think we've missed our opportunity by decades perhaps. Does anybody really think a citizenry that voted 30ish years ago to ban bear baiting, hound hunting, and most trapping is now going to approve an initiative that cements hunting in the state constitution? I dont see it happening, the state has only gotten bluer since those bear baiting and trapping votes.
On the legislature side you used to have a few hard-core hunting democrats who would side with the Republicans on hunting and firearms issues. Those individuals are now gone, and in most instances replaced by more liberal individuals who don't hunt.
I put more faith in the legislative process than the citizen initiative process. But, we need to get more likeminded people in the legislature. It's amazing how many legislative positions really come down to a couple hundred or thousand votes, how many people in those districts didn't vote? My district in the suburbs went from essentially a swing district to a democrat only district for the past 10 or so years, those Republicans are still here, they're not voting.
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Takko and Blake are two that come to mind. Yes they're Democrats, but are pro-hunting, pro-gun, etc. We lost a great Natural Resource Commitee Chair in Blake and a great committee member in Takko. Blake was replaced as Chair by another Dem who sponsored 0 hunting related bills this year and has an A plus rating from the Alliance for Gun Responsibility. Takko and Blake had 80-100% ratings by the NRA. Know any other dem with such rating? There aren't any.
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Post by: KNOPHISH on November 08, 2023, 06:18:30 AM
To counter act the game management by ballot box we need to do the same to shut down in its tracks. A petition that makes hunting a right. A petition that absolutely no game management by ballot box can be legal. Worded correctly they may have a chance. A lawsuit against commission for Not following science. The commissions new conservation policy can not be legal if not following science proved in court.
What do you mean by petition? You mean initiative? If you do, it seems weird to have an initiative to make it unlawful to have an itiative regarding wildlife management.
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Yes I guess they are initiatives but shouldn’t be legal for game mgmt, science not feelings. But it is a long shot. Just think there needs to be a law against it.
Post by: chukarchaser on November 08, 2023, 05:52:11 PM
Post by: lokidog on November 08, 2023, 09:27:49 PM
To counter act the game management by ballot box we need to do the same to shut down in its tracks. A petition that makes hunting a right. A petition that absolutely no game management by ballot box can be legal. Worded correctly they may have a chance. A lawsuit against commission for Not following science. The commissions new conservation policy can not be legal if not following science proved in court.
What do you mean by petition? You mean initiative? If you do, it seems weird to have an initiative to make it unlawful to have an itiative regarding wildlife management.
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Not really, the Initiative would say wildlife management is done by scientifically accredited processes, not public opinion. :dunno: :dunno:
Post by: Wad-Cutter on November 17, 2023, 08:15:14 AM