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Title: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: Wetwoodshunter on December 24, 2023, 06:14:36 PM
I have known for a long time that I was right handed but left eye dominant. Are there good ways to learn to shoot both eyes open with a shotgun? I have always closed my left eye but I am having trouble with judging distance and leads on birds.

Is it worth learning to shoot my shotgun, and potentially a bow left handed?
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: hunter399 on December 24, 2023, 06:34:39 PM
Not sure ,you can learn to do it anyway you like.
Just takes time.
Same here,left eye dominant,shoot right handed.
It's a pain,so I know.
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: Jpmiller on December 24, 2023, 07:14:14 PM
I tried for a while to shoot left handed with a shotgun but I was an even worse wing shot than I was shooting right handed. Gave up and switched back. I keep trying to test my kids for eye dominance while they're young but they won't give me straight answers to anything so it's hard to tell.
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: Platensek-po on December 24, 2023, 07:18:17 PM
I have known for a long time that I was right handed but left eye dominant. Are there good ways to learn to shoot both eyes open with a shotgun? I have always closed my left eye but I am having trouble with judging distance and leads on birds.

Is it worth learning to shoot my shotgun, and potentially a bow left handed?

I made my son wear glasses with tape over one eye. He also tried an eye patch. This helped him focus and practice until he could just close his left eye. Worked pretty well.
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: hunter399 on December 24, 2023, 07:23:40 PM
I have known for a long time that I was right handed but left eye dominant. Are there good ways to learn to shoot both eyes open with a shotgun? I have always closed my left eye but I am having trouble with judging distance and leads on birds.

Is it worth learning to shoot my shotgun, and potentially a bow left handed?

I made my son wear glasses with tape over one eye. He also tried an eye patch. This helped him focus and practice until he could just close his left eye. Worked pretty well.
That's exactly how I learned.
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: JWBINX on December 24, 2023, 08:43:03 PM
When shooting a shotgun both eyes are to remain open.
It's not the same as rifle shooting.
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: Wetwoodshunter on December 24, 2023, 09:07:00 PM
When shooting a shotgun both eyes are to remain open.
It's not the same as rifle shooting.

I understand that you should shoot with both eyes open. Issue is I’m right handed and left eye dominant, shoulder your shotgun now close the eye that is situated above your cheek weld… that is what I see if I shoot both eyes open.
Title: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: jackelope on December 24, 2023, 09:07:00 PM
When shooting a shotgun both eyes are to remain open.
It's not the same as rifle shooting.

Yes, but you still have a dominant eye.

There’s lot of stuff online about how to overcome dominant eye stuff when shooting shotguns. As simple as a piece of tape over your shooting glasses to whole exercises to work around it.

https://www.shootinguk.co.uk/shooting/instruction/issues-with-eye-dominance-15475/

Side note.
I shoot my rifles with both eyes open.
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: dilleytech on December 24, 2023, 10:53:25 PM
When shooting a shotgun both eyes are to remain open.
It's not the same as rifle shooting.

I never could figure that out while shooting. I’m a great waterfowl shot but have always closed by left eye when shooting.
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: metlhead on December 25, 2023, 06:48:57 AM
Shooting anything with one eye closed is awkward for me. Loss of depth perception. Both mine stay open to shoot beter and pick out the next shot. Is shooting with non-dominant eye really an issue for some? Seems it would be harder to switch to left hand shooting.
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: boneaddict on December 25, 2023, 07:12:09 AM
Mine keeps switching.   I was right eye dominant until in my 40s sometime when all of a sudden I couldnt hit the broadside of a barn.  I tested myself and sure as heck, my left eye was now dominant, and then last week I busted some caps and what the heck, right eye dominant again.    :dunno:
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: HereDuckyDucky on December 25, 2023, 07:48:18 AM
I have always just closed my left (dominant) eye. Been doing it so long, I don’t know any difference.

RW
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: chukardogs on December 25, 2023, 08:06:05 AM
Hey, no pro here. I actually had a similar problem several years back. I learned to shoot a rifle, 60+ years ago with my left eye closed. Other than a little trap shooting while in the Air Force 40 years ago and some duck and goose hunting over the next several years, I've used shotguns very little compared to rifles in my life. No matter what I do, as soon as a gun starts to my shoulder, my left eye closes. Quite a few years ago I started Chukar and Grouse hunting over dogs. As my bird dogs learned their craft, their expectations in my abilities with a shotgun grew. As the birds flew off leaving the dogs looking at me and me looking at my shotgun. Finally I had no choice but to start looking for help. I read books, watched instructional videos and then a close friend, who's spent hours on hours behind the butt of a shotgun said, listen, forget everything you've been told and read. The next time a bird gets up, start following it, swinging the barrel from behind the bird to the front. When the bead passes the beak, squeeze the trigger as you keep swinging. I said, how am I going to see the beak. He said that's the point. As you're focusing on the picture above barrel and looking for the beak, you don't think about whether your eyes are open or closed. You're looking past the bead and for the beak. As silly as that all sounds, I haven't missed a Blue Grouse since I started using his theory. One of these days I'll actually find a Chukar to shoot at. Like I said, not a pro, just a for what it's worth and it has worked for me.
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: JWBINX on December 25, 2023, 08:38:59 AM
Hey, no pro here. I actually had a similar problem several years back. I learned to shoot a rifle, 60+ years ago with my left eye closed. Other than a little trap shooting while in the Air Force 40 years ago and some duck and goose hunting over the next several years, I've used shotguns very little compared to rifles in my life. No matter what I do, as soon as a gun starts to my shoulder, my left eye closes. Quite a few years ago I started Chukar and Grouse hunting over dogs. As my bird dogs learned their craft, their expectations in my abilities with a shotgun grew. As the birds flew off leaving the dogs looking at me and me looking at my shotgun. Finally I had no choice but to start looking for help. I read books, watched instructional videos and then a close friend, who's spent hours on hours behind the butt of a shotgun said, listen, forget everything you've been told and read. The next time a bird gets up, start following it, swinging the barrel from behind the bird to the front. When the bead passes the beak, squeeze the trigger as you keep swinging. I said, how am I going to see the beak. He said that's the point. As you're focusing on the picture above barrel and looking for the beak, you don't think about whether your eyes are open or closed. You're looking past the bead and for the beak. As silly as that all sounds, I haven't missed a Blue Grouse since I started using his theory. One of these days I'll actually find a Chukar to shoot at. Like I said, not a pro, just a for what it's worth and it has worked for me.

Great advice!
However, the eyes have to be open.
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: 300rum on December 25, 2023, 09:05:07 AM
The correct answer is that there are many ways to overcome it, you just have to try a few things out.  Most people don't/won't spend enough time on it.  I can think of a half dozen things that you can do when your cross eye dominant (as I am).  Learning to shoot with your non-dominate hand is the worst thing to start out with and I think the worst possible solution that was pushed by the gun rags back in the day when supposedly "learning to shoot".  And yes, you absolutely can shoot a shotgun very well while closing one eye. 
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: dilleytech on December 25, 2023, 09:41:36 AM
Hey, no pro here. I actually had a similar problem several years back. I learned to shoot a rifle, 60+ years ago with my left eye closed. Other than a little trap shooting while in the Air Force 40 years ago and some duck and goose hunting over the next several years, I've used shotguns very little compared to rifles in my life. No matter what I do, as soon as a gun starts to my shoulder, my left eye closes. Quite a few years ago I started Chukar and Grouse hunting over dogs. As my bird dogs learned their craft, their expectations in my abilities with a shotgun grew. As the birds flew off leaving the dogs looking at me and me looking at my shotgun. Finally I had no choice but to start looking for help. I read books, watched instructional videos and then a close friend, who's spent hours on hours behind the butt of a shotgun said, listen, forget everything you've been told and read. The next time a bird gets up, start following it, swinging the barrel from behind the bird to the front. When the bead passes the beak, squeeze the trigger as you keep swinging. I said, how am I going to see the beak. He said that's the point. As you're focusing on the picture above barrel and looking for the beak, you don't think about whether your eyes are open or closed. You're looking past the bead and for the beak. As silly as that all sounds, I haven't missed a Blue Grouse since I started using his theory. One of these days I'll actually find a Chukar to shoot at. Like I said, not a pro, just a for what it's worth and it has worked for me.

That’s a great technique. I primarily waterfowl hunt. Ducks and geese fly in straight lines in any given direction. If flying over head I pull through just like you describe. If flying side to side I come up from below the bird and swing up infront of them to the necessary lead based on distance and punch the trigger. Shotgunning isn’t hard it’s mostly just learning how far to lead birds at given distances and executing the shot at the correct time.

I’ll look for the target with two eyes but focus with one. No idea what eye is dominant.
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: hunter399 on December 25, 2023, 12:20:57 PM
To this day ,I can't shoot with both eyes open.
Rifle,shotgun, whatever.
But I can shoot with my one eye.
It's definitely a handicap, I think I could learn to do it.
With both eyes open,left eye tends to take over.
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: JWBINX on December 25, 2023, 01:15:02 PM
Hunter,
If you started shooting a lot of Trap, Skeet, or Sporting Clays you would learn to use both eyes.
It's like an acquired taste, It just happens or your scores will not improve.
Have a Merry Christmas everyone.

 
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: metlhead on December 25, 2023, 02:33:40 PM
Love to hunt these ducks that fly in these straight lines. Man that would save on ammo.
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: dilleytech on December 26, 2023, 09:56:20 AM
Love to hunt these ducks that fly in these straight lines. Man that would save on ammo.

lol they don’t fly in loops or zig zigs. Draw a line from the tail to beak. The bird is headed in that strait line. Watch a duck flying some time. They don’t zig zag. They are very predictable.
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: hdshot on December 26, 2023, 04:52:56 PM
When shooting a shotgun both eyes are to remain open.
It's not the same as rifle shooting.

Once you get the sight picture on the shotgun with both eyes open, you then won’t even think about closing an eye for rifle, pistol, and even with the bow.  Keeping your depth perception helps with no eye strain.
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: fishngamereaper on December 26, 2023, 05:26:47 PM
It's just practice and muscle memory
I'm cross eyed dominate to but in my old life shot enough that eventually both eye's where open no matter what I was shooting
I've also taught allot of people to shoot
The easy way to practice is dry fire .. just walk around your property or your house with your shotgun and acquire targets. Eventually your brain will overcome your handicap  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: str8meat on December 27, 2023, 09:13:37 AM
Same boat, shoot rifles left handed close right eye, shoot bow right handed close left eye. Solved my problem. Bought left handed rifles and learned to shoot them using the left hand to work the bolt. Just takes practice. I actually got powder burns on my face from a right handed shot gun misfire , which lead to the switch. Started with a browning bps, bottom eject. Do what’s comfortable for you.
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: Henrydog on December 27, 2023, 09:14:18 AM
I used to shoot competitive trap.  I was pretty good.  AA singles and a 27yard Handicap shooter.  I shoot a shotgun with only 1 eye.  I have tried many, many times to shot with both eyes open.  I cannot do it, as in I am not even in the right zip code.  If that is the case with you, it might be easier (ii use that term lightly) to switch to your dominate side.
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: SuperX on December 27, 2023, 11:30:35 AM
Not sure what size bead you have but I noticed I shot better with one of those longer fiberoptic beads.  The bead was larger than stock and bright so I was always focused on it and my left eye never tried to cross over...  maybe worth trying
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: metlhead on December 27, 2023, 12:35:01 PM
I second those Hi-Viz fibre optic beads. Really focus your shooting eye
Title: Re: Re-learning to shoot
Post by: The Gobble-stopper on December 29, 2023, 04:32:13 PM
Love to hunt these ducks that fly in these straight lines. Man that would save on ammo.

lol they don’t fly in loops or zig zigs. Draw a line from the tail to beak. The bird is headed in that strait line. Watch a duck flying some time. They don’t zig zag. They are very predictable.
Unless you are hunting green wing teal. They do more then zig zag and loop and instantly turn that into a dive or sky rocket straight up. Far from a straight line! And last time I checked, they were still considered a duck. Other ducks do the same. Yea, rarely do I find a duck that flies straight.
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